As a light weaponGǪ
Sprint cloaked at Reds, tap to switch to NK charge slash, slash, stab, stab, sprint tap to recloakGǪ
Yeah, I can see it working
But will it?

Actually... as a weapon... it would disengage if you sprint.
Which I see as fair.

I got the last kill of the match, as a tank kill

Very nice... I managed to snake a lucky tank RE kill at the end of an FW match a few days a go. That +50 kill and +150 for the tank felt so awesome! Took 2 RE's after some A/V nades but man, what a sweet feeling it was! In retrospect I guess it's good I didn't have 3 RE's because maybe I would have been booted....?

I'll also add my comments to the ranks of those having success w/ the CR on the Minja scout. No longer is it SMG + knives over there.... all CR/SMG.

Despite the new weapons though.... I'm still all pistols on this guy.... I actually like the salvage only IA5 tactical a lot... the ROF is as awesome as the TT-3; the damage is less than ADV pistols but the zoom is more.

Hmm.. also, as a weapon... it would be reasonable for it to require "ammo".

So you'd be selective about when you engage it. you wouldnt just run around with it on all the time.

technically, I supose they could do that with EQ as well; the selective, limited runtime bit. like scanners.
But I like the idea of ammo, in the guise of charge packs or something like that.

...The enhanced mobility it provides makes up for its relatively low protection, and when combined with stealth technology modules, the scout suit is the obvious choice for whipping ass.

Some maps running the CR/KN, other KN/Flaylock, depends on terrain, and opponents.

Some maps running the CR/KN, other KN/Flaylock, depends on terrain, and opponents.

It needs moar power Ghost. Perhaps a better chemical fuel can be devised to make it punch harder and keep the same radius. Direct hit is locus nade damage.

I LOVE the flaylock, but I can never justify using it.

SMG does the same damage in CQC, has more range, and is a more flexible weapon overall.

I really wanna use my flaylocks.....

How about this: (MASSIVE CHANGE)

Make it have a 6 round clip, like the ScP.

Bonus to Ops skill is 3% blast radius increase.

Give it around 75 Splash, with a 1.5m Radius at basic.

ROF is faster (but not ungodly)


You now have a sidearm that is made to quickly kill 1-2 targets in CQC in Minmatar fashion (Rapid fire and explosions).

For clarity:

Basic FP: 150 direct, 75 splash, 1.5m (1.72 with skill 5)
ADV FP: 165 direct, 85 splash, 1.75m (1.9 with skill 3)
PRO FP: 180 Direct, 100 Splash, 2.0m (2.3 with skill 5)

This will make it a powerful weapon if you can directly hit targets (difficult to do) but still able to take down a target by hitting the ground if you have to (PRO has 600 splash in clip at proto)

Feel free to change these or debate these. Let's try and fix the Flaylock guys!

EDIT: I love this idea myself, but I also just realized that you get an 8 round clip with the Minmatar Assault.

I love the enthusiasm, but that seems like overkill.

Are you on right now? I am about to hop on myself.

As for power: I really don't want too much power. I want flexibility with the gun. The ability to take on 2-3 targets if you can direct shot them, or the ability to take down a lone target by splashing him to death.

Right now, the flaylock can only kill if you can direct shot people, because of the lolsplash with people's huge HP nowadays.

Man, I would love to see it get a little love ... I miss my FP. I still run it from time to time, just for fun ... but it doesn't really keep up with the other sidearms, in my book.

haha.. dude. Go OP or go Amarr!

I'll be on in about ten minutes. I'm on a call about to spank comcast around.

But would this make it competitive? I want it to be like the ScP, which can easily take on targets in CQC, but it's main drawback is the inability to take on multiple targets (3-4) and it's lack of overall ammunition.

Think about it, with these changes, it would become a mini mass driver that you carry in your pocket.

Mind you, it still would be nothing like the Mass driver, due to it's reduced Splash and Damage. You won't see people fluxing and taking down groups of targets (maybe if they cluster super tight though). You will see people quickly direct shotting people who aren't paying attention (or just having good aim) or using it to splash targets behind cover or those who strafe a lot.

It would be flexible, it would be powerful. It will be balanced due to it's inability to take on more than 2 targets in a clip and it's lack of overall ammunition, making it a compliment to your weapon slot, and not a niche weapon like it is now.

I dont think it should be a mini mass driver though - it should be more like a mini missile installation.
- Not that it should shoot multiple missiles but that it should kill/cripple a target once you hit it.

It just needs the proper buff to damage and blast radius and maybe a slight reduction to RoF

Dont reinvent the wheel, just tweak it back so its closer to where it was when it came out. With hit detection and AA where they are now, rifle and smg users could easily cope.

I think tweaking the flaylock is great idea... and trading splash damage for splash range, while improving direct hit damage seems reasonable.

Personally I'd like to see something off the wall for a Minmatar explosive weapon. Like being able to burst or cluster fire all 3 shots at once for massive alpha damage.

I think tweaking the flaylock is great idea... and trading splash damage for splash range, while improving direct hit damage seems reasonable.

Personally I'd like to see something off the wall for a Minmatar explosive weapon. Like being able to burst or cluster fire all 3 shots at once for massive alpha damage.

I think tweaking the flaylock is great idea... and trading splash damage for splash range, while improving direct hit damage seems reasonable.

Personally I'd like to see something off the wall for a Minmatar explosive weapon. Like being able to burst or cluster fire all 3 shots at once for massive alpha damage.

All of your cloaking ideas suck. Like really bad. You are prenerfing it out of the gate in silly ways. You went from equipment to a weapon slot? Then now it would need ammo? sorry man. none of that makes any tactical sense, and like I've said before. All this misguided sense of fairness is misplaced.

Please no - keep that to yourself.

Equipment or better yet a module you activate with cooldown and it breaks once sprinting or shooting.

Matticus I too have taken a recent liking to the IA5

I put it on my Super Spy fitting and I'd be damned but it got put in the exact scenario I designed it for. It's basically a G-I fitted with a range amp, an active scanner, MLT SMG and the IA5 with reps and a basic or enhanced shield extender.

I was playing ambush with Sir Snugglz and I was using the IA5 at very long range in an attempt to strip someone's shields. I was on one of those sockets with the four cylinders and you can go beneath it where there is acid/poison water. Well I ended up going down there because I took some hits and it was a very low HP suit.

From there I Active Scanned the place and to my dismay, a majority of the reds were coming my way and obliterating the blues above me. And then there were no blues left, just me below the reds. I had a passive range of either 42 meters or 45, I forget which tier range amp I used...

But then one of the reds went down the ramp and I watched its chevron through a cylinder behind which I hid. I had the option to completely avoid his detection, but I wasn't thinking run, I was thinking Kill. The red comes around the corner and I just unload the IA5 on him. He manages to land a few rail shots on me but I think finished him off with like 3-4 SMG shots. By now the reds above were leaving and I couldn't believe how I had managed to pull off camping right under the enemies nose and wiping it too.

I have realized that hitting level 5 scout + the scout buff I missed was a tremendous help to me. Having forty meter passive scan allows me to be an omniscient urban god; CQC maps will never be the same.

BTW - Sargon and I squadded w/ you and Snuggles yesterday in Condor Squad, but I was playing as Lan and I think that was the last match for you guys so we didn't get to lay much waste....

Oh damn that was you? Haha, sorry about that, I was logging in and out a lot.

Not sure where you got your "sense" meter calibrated, but I suggest you get it re-calibrated somewhere else :D
Does it make it tougher to use than the uber-kill-toy you dream about? sure.
But you're not going to get your uber-kill-toy. Wake up and smell the nerf bat.

it is a certainty that CCP is going to "pre-nerf" cloaks, as you put it, one way or another.

If we demand full, no-limiting cloaking... we're not going to get it. Instead, we're going to get nerfing from the CCP wheel-o-randomness. Far better to suggest limits of our own choosing, than have whatever nightmare CCP comes up with, inflicted on us.

Consider this:

if they implement it as I've suggested, as a light weapon, with laser-rifle style engagement... it should then be possible to
spawn in cloaked. Just hold down the trigger during spawn.

Spamming trigger on spawn-in has occasionally given me a free headshot kill. This should be even better.
Time to give spawn campers a little surprise.