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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.12.02 15:53:00 -
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Let it all burn!
*this not a view in line with fa or affiliates with fa scripture of pantie dropping beats or doing terrible things to cabin boys.*
In all seriousness we may blame cpm for alot of things but ocp is the one that says it's a great idea. Now scout's need a lil ewar buff ( ie the stupid range nerf ) the gal logi is unbalanced as the wombo combo of 3 flux proto scanners of 200m Perma scan is just silly. Like taking meth is a great idea kind of silly. No im not talking about scout/ gal logi gameplay but the fact EVERYTHING else is lit for a unending cycle of hurt.
Now I could go on but cba. Really I dont play anymore and im not upset by that fact.
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
14
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Posted - 2015.12.02 15:54:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:I honestly think you just need to come to terms with the fact that we just have different ideas on how scouts should operate. I am PERFECTLY fine and happy with the state of the scout as of the last time I played.
Can things be improved? Yes. Amarr scout for sure. Range extenders need a buff, Active scanners need tweaking. I'm loving that they are making cloaks more viable to lower SP guys as well.
But the overall THEME of the scout right now I'm fine with.
You're a fast, damped little terrorist with high alpha weapons and you benefit from powerful (If short) passive scans that let you detect enemies without alerting them. Your main goal in fights is to disrupt the enemy by destroying equipment, HVT's, and capturing lightly defended installations and objectives.
I don't feel like any suit can come CLOSE to the scouts power in this, not without severely gimping their capabilities elsewhere, or squandering their own potential. Trying to fit an assault to do this ultimately leads to you to say "Why not just use a scout?"
To me, that's role perfection right there. I'm not stepping on anyones toes, and they're not stepping on mine. To me, that's balance. I understand that you're happy with the general state of scoutplay, but specifically, which Scouts are you happy with and why? Sure, Shotgun GA Scouts still have a place in PC, but are MN Scouts holding their own in competitive play? Are CA Scouts providing the competitive long-range, low-intensity recon their racial bonuses tell us they're designed to provide? What of AM Scouts? What's their job again? Say we buffed Range Extenders. Would that fix AM and CA Scouts? Would a proper Field Commander then field an AM or CA Scout for passive scans? Would their passive scans be much better than the nearest precision-enhanced Logi's, much less a GalLogi's actives? What's you're take on the effect of inner rings on knifeplay given that scans are now shared up to 16x? And how 'bout that cloak?
1.) Yeah, Min scouts work well in PC. You have to damp like crazy, and the Gal scout is still better, but it works. I'd like to see all scouts have the same level of dampening at 2 damps (READ: Bring them all up), but Gal scouts would go crazy if that happened.
2.) AM scouts have always needed a fix. CA scouts need that range buff, and then yes, they WOULD provide some great long range scans. Even now, a single range amp gets you 50m scans. I want a single range amp to get you to around 60m long range scans on CA scouts, which gives you 30m normal scans and 12m Short scans. 2 Precision mods would get you 31 dB at 60m, 24 at 30m, and 12 and 12m. That's some eWAR right there. Flip side, 1 damp makes you easier to find and you only have 307 shields and no speed. Acceptable losses.
3.) Nobody in their right mind would field a scout for intel. Intel is limited to squads, not teams. Active scans go to teams. If we get back to the point that a dedicated eWAR scout is in each squad doing perma scans, we've taken a step back. We've traded Gal Logi cancer for scout cancer, and at least we were warned when we where detected by active scans.
Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
You never just leave Dust. You story will last forever.
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chill penguin
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.12.02 15:57:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:wombo combo
You know you are a Smash player when you start using Melee terms to describe something. +1 gazillion
Cold as steel, shimmer like gold.
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.12.02 16:02:00 -
[50464] - Quote
chill penguin wrote:noob cavman wrote:wombo combo You know you are a Smash player when you start using Melee terms to describe something. +1 gazillion
Im a filthy causal towards smash. Street fighter is my only fighting game love. Even that is nothing to my star craft2 chode.... Even if they made the story beyond dumb.
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.12.02 16:12:00 -
[50465] - Quote
Also ive had ghost blocked for a awhile has he said anything interesting in discussion or is he still being a tool talking about arma?
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
18
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Posted - 2015.12.02 16:14:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Memes aside, this honestly seems like fear mongering to me.
If it is fear mongering today, what will it be when the predictions come true? Here's a summary of what I see happening in 2016 (if the servers don't get unplugged):
1) Repeated Assaults buffs have created new imbalance, and these units are likely putting too much pressure on both Scouts and Sentinels. Sentinels have vocal CPM representation, so they'll likely get a meaningful buff. Scouts will not. At least initially. As always, Commandos will be out-of-sight and out-of-mind.
2) Assaults and post-buff Sentinels are now putting too much pressure on Scouts. Scouts will point out extremely low usage rates and ask for a meaningful buff so that they might catch up with power creep. Scouts will be reminded that (A) it isn't their job to kill things and (B) that their now extremely low usage rates are OK and working as intended. If Scouts are given any concession at all, it will be a halfhearted bandaid, zero-sum gimmick or cloak tweak.
3) Someone will point out that Commandos are crappy again. Commandos will get a buff.
4) The EWAR changes we've been waiting for will finally come. The active scans nerfs we've been asking for will happen, as will the passive scan buffs, but the latter to the benefit of the Logi rather than the Scout. Scoutly functions of passive recon and counter-recon will be moved away from the Scout and gifted to the Logi. If Scouts are given any concession at all, it will be a halfhearted bandaid, zero-sum gimmick or cloak tweak.
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
14
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Posted - 2015.12.02 16:22:00 -
[50467] - Quote
noob cavman wrote:Also ive had ghost blocked for a awhile has he said anything interesting in discussion or is he still being a tool talking about arma?
Arma is still great, although I play a lot of EVE on the side.
Seriously though, if that was block worthy, more than half the posters here should be blocked by you as well.
Actual discussion hasn't occurred on here in ages.
Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
You never just leave Dust. You story will last forever.
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.12.02 16:30:00 -
[50468] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:noob cavman wrote:Also ive had ghost blocked for a awhile has he said anything interesting in discussion or is he still being a tool talking about arma? Arma is still great, although I play a lot of EVE on the side. Seriously though, if that was block worthy, more than half the posters here should be blocked by you as well. Actual discussion hasn't occurred on here in ages.
They are 
But I just depise arma.
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
13
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Posted - 2015.12.02 16:51:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Also ive had ghost blocked for a awhile has he said anything interesting in discussion or is he still being a tool talking about arma?
Not really, I think he just lurks around anymore just in case Shotty says anything that remotely looks like he has insulted Ghost's boyfriend Zatara, then its Ghost to the rescue!! (You know, because Shotty was complaining about CPM2, which is not far removed from CPM1, which Zatara was on, so he must have been insulting Zatara.... Ghost logic)
And of course, scouts are ok, because they work exactly how Ghost thinks they should work, and who cares about what everyone else thinks, because Ghost is elite (he was listed at the top of a couple games and is not an elite PC gamer too!) so everyone else's opinion is moot.
But what do I know, I am just a scrub who played scout and enjoyed it since open beta, but haven't been able to enjoy the game since ridiculous nerfs (I am looking at you cloak blind and a 3 second delay, that is really only supposed to be 1 second, but whatever, its working as intended), and Assault suits who have 8 module slots at all tiers (given pre real Assault buff, and left in long after they have become somewhat OP) so my opinion is worthless.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
18
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:08:00 -
[50470] - Quote
A point of clarification:
Don't think it qualifies as an insult, but I definitely called out Zatara (again). We gave him every once of feedback he needed to make the right calls. He made the wrong calls anyway, and he did substantial harm to the game. I suspect he intentionally brought about new forms of imbalance. If he did so unintentionally, he is wrong to have walked away from the mess he made without even the slightest acknowledgement. Much less, any attempt to clean it up.
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
14
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:18:00 -
[50471] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:noob cavman wrote:Also ive had ghost blocked for a awhile has he said anything interesting in discussion or is he still being a tool talking about arma? Not really, I think he just lurks around anymore just in case Shotty says anything that remotely looks like he has insulted Ghost's boyfriend Zatara, then its Ghost to the rescue!! (You know, because Shotty was complaining about CPM2, which is not far removed from CPM1, which Zatara was on, so he must have been insulting Zatara.... Ghost logic) And of course, scouts are ok, because they work exactly how Ghost thinks they should work, and who cares about what everyone else thinks, because Ghost is elite (he was listed at the top of a couple games and is not an elite PC gamer too!) so everyone else's opinion is moot. But what do I know, I am just a scrub who played scout and enjoyed it since open beta, but haven't been able to enjoy the game since ridiculous nerfs (I am looking at you cloak blind and a 3 second delay, that is really only supposed to be 1 second, but whatever, its working as intended), and Assault suits who have 8 module slots at all tiers (given pre real Assault buff, and left in long after they have become somewhat OP) so my opinion is worthless.
You obviously aren't reading.
Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Gal Logi needs a pass, but I wouldn't say its OP. I can easily hide from that thing. Scout suit with damps. Easy peasy. Does it need a pass? Yeah, uptime and strength could use some tweaks. I'd personally like active scans to be moderate strength and team-wide, while Scout scans are powerful, but personal. But thats just me. My opinions don't apply to everyone.
And if you've carefully read, you'll notice that my problem is mainly that he likes to blame Zatara for everything that has gone wrong with eWAR, ignoring CCP and rest of the CPM.
The "It's all his fault" is the part I have a problem with. That's it. Everything else is differing opinions based on what we think scouts SHOULD be like.
But don't let that stop you or anything. If you post this enough, people will eventually believe it to be true. Goebbels did it with a whole nation, I'm sure you could do it to a forum if you tried.
Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
You never just leave Dust. You story will last forever.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:23:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:To be fair, I quite like assaults as they are. Plenty of fitting options. Shouldn't have nerfed scouts and sentinels first though. That's the thing though, Varoth. A new status quo has been established. Assault users would no longer feel that they were in a "good place" if they were no longer outslaying all else with ease and outselling all else by the current ridiculous margins. CPM2 will not give up the ground they've gained, and they will not push for meaningful adjustments to Light or Heavy Frames without also leaning on Rattati to buff Medium Frames. The status quo will be maintained, power creep cycles will continue as they always have, and NPE will maintain its downward trajectory in the wake of ever-growing vet perks. A new norm has been established, and the MedFrame Majority will absolutely not self regulate. I fully expect that MedFrame 514 (2.0) will remain the accepted norm right up until CCP pulls the plug or goofs up again with a 1.8-like overcorrection. This merc is not optimistic.
It's not the power relative to other suits I'm referring to. It's the versatility that comes from the number of slots, and the high base hp making hp mods relatively less important than they historically would be. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
28
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:30:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:noob cavman wrote:Also ive had ghost blocked for a awhile has he said anything interesting in discussion or is he still being a tool talking about arma? Not really, I think he just lurks around anymore just in case Shotty says anything that remotely looks like he has insulted Ghost's boyfriend Zatara, then its Ghost to the rescue!! (You know, because Shotty was complaining about CPM2, which is not far removed from CPM1, which Zatara was on, so he must have been insulting Zatara.... Ghost logic)
Adipem Nothi wrote:
It is my expectation and prediction that CPM2 will try their very hardest to finish what Zatara started.
Nope, nobody said anything about Zatara. 
potato
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:36:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:I honestly think you just need to come to terms with the fact that we just have different ideas on how scouts should operate. I am PERFECTLY fine and happy with the state of the scout as of the last time I played.
Can things be improved? Yes. Amarr scout for sure. Range extenders need a buff, Active scanners need tweaking. I'm loving that they are making cloaks more viable to lower SP guys as well.
But the overall THEME of the scout right now I'm fine with.
You're a fast, damped little terrorist with high alpha weapons and you benefit from powerful (If short) passive scans that let you detect enemies without alerting them. Your main goal in fights is to disrupt the enemy by destroying equipment, HVT's, and capturing lightly defended installations and objectives.
I don't feel like any suit can come CLOSE to the scouts power in this, not without severely gimping their capabilities elsewhere, or squandering their own potential. Trying to fit an assault to do this ultimately leads to you to say "Why not just use a scout?"
To me, that's role perfection right there. I'm not stepping on anyones toes, and they're not stepping on mine. To me, that's balance. I understand that you're happy with the general state of scoutplay, but specifically, which Scouts are you happy with and why? Sure, Shotgun GA Scouts still have a place in PC, but how are MN Scouts holding up in competitive play? Are CA Scouts providing the competitive long-range, low-intensity recon their racial bonuses tell us they're designed to provide? What of AM Scouts? What's their job again? Say Rattati buffed Range Extenders. Would that fix AM and CA Scouts? Would a proper Field Commander then field an AM or CA Scouts for passive scans? How would those passive scans compare to the nearest precision-enhanced Logi's, much less a GalLogi's actives? What's you're take on the effect of inner rings on knifeplay given that scans are now shared up to 16x? And how 'bout that cloak?
I've said it before, but I'm strongly of the opinion that all scouts, rightfully, fulfil a very similar role. Just like nearly all suits, the classes role is the same across race, but different races achieve it in slightly different ways. There's no need for Cal scout's role to be to provide long range scans for teammates, their role is the same as other scouts, as is the Am scout role.
I think Ghost sums up the scout role very well, though I'd add deployment and redeployment to the list. I think scouts could possibly be a little better at it, and it's not racially balanced, but there isn't too much role bleed from other classes. Assaults can get close, but they certainly can't do everything a scout can do as well as a scout. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
18
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:39:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:
And if you've carefully read, you'll notice that my problem is mainly that he likes to blame Zatara for everything that has gone wrong with eWAR, ignoring CCP and rest of the CPM.
The "It's all his fault" is the part I have a problem with. That's it. Everything else is differing opinions based on what we think scouts SHOULD be like.
But don't let that stop you or anything. If you post this enough, people will eventually believe it to be true. Goebbels did it with a whole nation, I'm sure you could do it to a forum if you tried.
Read the thread, Ghost. It wasn't CCP or other members of CPM1 who were peddling convenient falsehoods (i.e. Marauder doesn't armor tank, assault-lite isn't the problem, etc). It wasn't other members of CPM1 or CCP who were championing new imbalance. It was Zatara. Every new form of imbalance we enumerated came to be. Everything we said would happen did happen. We were right. It wasn't CCP or the other members of CPM1 who were in that thread mocking us and telling us that we were wrong. It was Zatara.
If all of this was one big accident, at the very minimum, Zatara should've owned up to his mistakes when he realized that one form of permascan had been replaced by another. He didn't. He championed imbalance -- which just so happened to suit his personal interests -- and he left it in play without a word of acknowledgement or effort to correct.
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Professor Mehaffey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:39:00 -
[50476] - Quote
Varoth Drac wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:I honestly think you just need to come to terms with the fact that we just have different ideas on how scouts should operate. I am PERFECTLY fine and happy with the state of the scout as of the last time I played.
Can things be improved? Yes. Amarr scout for sure. Range extenders need a buff, Active scanners need tweaking. I'm loving that they are making cloaks more viable to lower SP guys as well.
But the overall THEME of the scout right now I'm fine with.
You're a fast, damped little terrorist with high alpha weapons and you benefit from powerful (If short) passive scans that let you detect enemies without alerting them. Your main goal in fights is to disrupt the enemy by destroying equipment, HVT's, and capturing lightly defended installations and objectives.
I don't feel like any suit can come CLOSE to the scouts power in this, not without severely gimping their capabilities elsewhere, or squandering their own potential. Trying to fit an assault to do this ultimately leads to you to say "Why not just use a scout?"
To me, that's role perfection right there. I'm not stepping on anyones toes, and they're not stepping on mine. To me, that's balance. I understand that you're happy with the general state of scoutplay, but specifically, which Scouts are you happy with and why? Sure, Shotgun GA Scouts still have a place in PC, but how are MN Scouts holding up in competitive play? Are CA Scouts providing the competitive long-range, low-intensity recon their racial bonuses tell us they're designed to provide? What of AM Scouts? What's their job again? Say Rattati buffed Range Extenders. Would that fix AM and CA Scouts? Would a proper Field Commander then field an AM or CA Scouts for passive scans? How would those passive scans compare to the nearest precision-enhanced Logi's, much less a GalLogi's actives? What's you're take on the effect of inner rings on knifeplay given that scans are now shared up to 16x? And how 'bout that cloak? I've said it before, but I'm strongly of the opinion that all scouts, rightfully, fulfil a very similar role. Just like nearly all suits, the classes role is the same across race, but different races achieve it in slightly different ways. There's no need for Cal scout's role to be to provide long range scans for teammates, their role is the same as other scouts, as is the Am scout role. I think Ghost sums up the scout role very well, though I'd add deployment and redeployment to the list. I think scouts could possibly be a little better at it, and it's not racially balanced, but there isn't too much role bleed from other classes. Assaults can get close, but they certainly can't do everything a scout can do as well as a scout.
I believe that every suit class has a "general role" then when you go to individual races they have their "unique" role. It creates more diversity and also greater game play. Not all scouts should be the same, just like not all logis should be the same, and so on and so forth
FREEEDDDOOOMMM
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:43:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:
1.) Yeah, Min scouts work well in PC. You have to damp like crazy, and the Gal scout is still better, but it works. I'd like to see all scouts have the same level of dampening at 2 damps (READ: Bring them all up), but Gal scouts would go crazy if that happened.
2.) AM scouts have always needed a fix. CA scouts need that range buff, and then yes, they WOULD provide some great long range scans. Even now, a single range amp gets you 50m scans. I want a single range amp to get you to around 60m long range scans on CA scouts, which gives you 30m normal scans and 12m Short scans. 2 Precision mods would get you 31 dB at 60m, 24 at 30m, and 12 and 12m. That's some eWAR right there. Flip side, 1 damp makes you easier to find and you only have 307 shields and no speed. Acceptable losses.
How about this Ghost: Scout profile normalising
I'm thinking option 2?
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
3
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:49:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Just wow
Holy crap on a nova knife! I had no Idea we had so much power!!!
Excuse me while I go "Force" CCP to make dropships fly in rainbow skies and my heavy ride a sleigh pulled by amarrian unicorns.
"Sex is OK!" -CCP Rouge our benevolent overlord
"Why does everyone fellatiate Darth? Why?!" -Aeon Amadi
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
14
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:49:00 -
[50479] - Quote
Varoth Drac wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
1.) Yeah, Min scouts work well in PC. You have to damp like crazy, and the Gal scout is still better, but it works. I'd like to see all scouts have the same level of dampening at 2 damps (READ: Bring them all up), but Gal scouts would go crazy if that happened.
2.) AM scouts have always needed a fix. CA scouts need that range buff, and then yes, they WOULD provide some great long range scans. Even now, a single range amp gets you 50m scans. I want a single range amp to get you to around 60m long range scans on CA scouts, which gives you 30m normal scans and 12m Short scans. 2 Precision mods would get you 31 dB at 60m, 24 at 30m, and 12 and 12m. That's some eWAR right there. Flip side, 1 damp makes you easier to find and you only have 307 shields and no speed. Acceptable losses.
How about this Ghost: Scout profile normalisingI'm thinking option 2?
To be honest, I'm at work right now, and the last thing I want to do right now is more number crunching.
I'll probably look at it later if you want a second opinion.
Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
You never just leave Dust. You story will last forever.
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Professor Mehaffey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:50:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Just wow Holy crap on a nova knife! I had no Idea we had so much power!!! Excuse me while I go "Force" CCP to make dropships fly in rainbow skies and my heavy ride a sleigh pulled by amarrian unicorns.
You would do that for me? While you're at it I would like a double hamburger, side of fries, hold the ketchup, and a diet coke.
FREEEDDDOOOMMM
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
14
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:50:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Just wow Holy crap on a nova knife! I had no Idea we had so much power!!! Excuse me while I go "Force" CCP to make dropships fly in rainbow skies and my heavy ride a sleigh pulled by amarrian unicorns.
Literally all your fault.
Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
You never just leave Dust. You story will last forever.
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
3
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:53:00 -
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Professor Mehaffey wrote:You would do that for me? While you're at it I would like a double hamburger, side of fries, hold the ketchup, and a diet coke.
Hope you like Chinese!
"Sex is OK!" -CCP Rouge our benevolent overlord
"Why does everyone fellatiate Darth? Why?!" -Aeon Amadi
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Professor Mehaffey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:54:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Professor Mehaffey wrote:You would do that for me? While you're at it I would like a double hamburger, side of fries, hold the ketchup, and a diet coke. Hope you like Chinese!
I'd be down for some sushi.
Can't eat fish though
FREEEDDDOOOMMM
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
14
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Posted - 2015.12.02 17:57:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
And if you've carefully read, you'll notice that my problem is mainly that he likes to blame Zatara for everything that has gone wrong with eWAR, ignoring CCP and rest of the CPM.
The "It's all his fault" is the part I have a problem with. That's it. Everything else is differing opinions based on what we think scouts SHOULD be like.
But don't let that stop you or anything. If you post this enough, people will eventually believe it to be true. Goebbels did it with a whole nation, I'm sure you could do it to a forum if you tried.
Read the thread, Ghost. It wasn't CCP or other members of CPM1 who were peddling convenient falsehoods (i.e. Marauder doesn't armor tank, assault-lite isn't the problem, etc). It wasn't other members of CPM1 or CCP who were championing new imbalance. It was Zatara. Every new form of imbalance we enumerated came to be. Everything we said would happen did happen. We were right. It wasn't CCP or the other members of CPM1 who were in that thread mocking us and telling us that we were wrong. It was Zatara. If all of this was one big accident, at the very minimum, Zatara should've owned up to his mistakes when he realized that one form of permascan had been replaced by another. He didn't. He championed imbalance -- which just so happened to suit his personal interests -- and he left it in play without a word of acknowledgement or effort to correct.
Zatara's horrible PR on the side; the point I'm making is that the changes went through.
That means that SOMEWHERE along the line, Zatara wasn't the only one championing this. CCP wouldn't put something in the game they don't agree with, and he had NOWHERE near enough clout to push it through on his own.
The rest were silent. That doesn't mean that they didn't support it.
Share the blame is all I'm saying. Trying to say that Zatara, himself, pushed an idea that only he agreed with through CCP is flat out stupid.
No way in hell is a company going to radically change the game based off of ONE MAN's input, from someone who isn't even paid .
Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
You never just leave Dust. You story will last forever.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.12.02 18:00:00 -
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Professor Mehaffey wrote:
I believe that every suit class has a "general role" then when you go to individual races they have their "unique" role. It creates more diversity and also greater game play. Not all scouts should be the same, just like not all logis should be the same, and so on and so forth
That's fine, but "team radar" is a pretty significant role change from "behind enemy lines disruption".
A Cal scout could use it's superior passive scans to help it cause this disruption. Also, all scout's passive scans can help teammates by indicating the locations of enemies, Cal scouts will be better at this. It doesn't need to be the main purpose of the suit.
All sentinels can use HMGs or forge guns effectively.
All assaults are excellent at mid range combat. Some are better closer, some are better further away. But it's all essentially the same.
All commandos are good for overwatch positions and AV. Granted the Amarr commando isn't in a great place.
All logis use equipment to support their team. OK, these are some of the most specialised suits, what with Min reps and Gal scans. Really it's only the Gal logi that becomes particularly specialised in PC though. |
Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:
To be honest, I'm at work right now, and the last thing I want to do right now is more number crunching.
I'll probably look at it later if you want a second opinion.
I only ask because I think it addresses many of your concerns. In fact, it's ideas collected from many people here including you and brought together in what I believe to be a workable solution.
I don't need a second opinion specifically, but any comments from anyone would be nice. Later is fine, but don't worry if you aren't interested. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Just wow Holy crap on a nova knife! I had no Idea we had so much power!!! Excuse me while I go "Force" CCP to make dropships fly in rainbow skies and my heavy ride a sleigh pulled by amarrian unicorns.
I've seen you flyGǪ Damn sure your ADS has Amarrian unicorns pulling it already
MOAR Ladders
SpadeGǪ Remember your Warbarge
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Professor Mehaffey wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Professor Mehaffey wrote:You would do that for me? While you're at it I would like a double hamburger, side of fries, hold the ketchup, and a diet coke. Hope you like Chinese! I'd be down for some sushi. Can't eat fish though
Heretic.
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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Professor Mehaffey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.02 18:26:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Professor Mehaffey wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Professor Mehaffey wrote:You would do that for me? While you're at it I would like a double hamburger, side of fries, hold the ketchup, and a diet coke. Hope you like Chinese! I'd be down for some sushi. Can't eat fish though Heretic.
You mad I eat fishless sushi?
FREEEDDDOOOMMM
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Im so mad.
Excuse me as I go choke a chubby puppy.
The most abusive northerner.
currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
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