It really cheeses my onions when people spout the same recycled fecal fetus arguments about our so called choices.
Many people skilled swarms and minmando for the sole purpose of fire and forget av abilities. Thats an easy 6/9 mill sp investment for one role. Yes md is now a (maybe) viable av option.
But is it the swarm? No. Its a grenade launcher which acts very differently to swarms.

Now every little bit of sp matters. You have to optimize your roles to be affective and flexible in the ever changing (lol not really) battlefield.

So lets break it down.
You have swarms and minmando.
To be optimal with a minmando you now need to skill a new weapon.
To be optimal with the swams you now need to skill up a new suit.

It really cheeses my onions when people spout the same recycled fecal fetus arguments about our so called choices.
Many people skilled swarms and minmando for the sole purpose of fire and forget av abilities. Thats an easy 6/9 mill sp investment for one role. Yes md is now a (maybe) viable av option.
But is it the swarm? No. Its a grenade launcher which acts very differently to swarms.

Now every little bit of sp matters. You have to optimize your roles to be affective and flexible in the ever changing (lol not really) battlefield.

So lets break it down.
You have swarms and minmando.
To be optimal with a minmando you now need to skill a new weapon.
To be optimal with the swams you now need to skill up a new suit.

Both are heavy investments that are not the fault of the player. These are changes in our sandbox by a outside source (ocp) who now made a optimal build into a suboptimal build.

Now not giving a sp refund is fine to me but dont try make out as its our fault. Our choices matter is now again be proven to be our choices matter till ocp go naaaaah.

Yes ocp is not typo.
Also vahzz stop recycling erb lines you lactating man boob.

Respec option is available in the market. Dunno what else to tell you.

EDIT: Before you explode (I'm sort of anticipating it) bear in mind that the Swarms being moved to Caldari Commandos was being discussed vaguely as early as May, 2014 and specifically as early as September, 2014. With what is now over a year of discussions, there was more than enough time to prepare for that advancement.

You proved my point, kid. You are pathetic when it comes to insulting people Crackin on me mum? Man, i did not see that coming. Wait. Let me guess. You are going to attack my dad next right? Or are you gonna call me gay? Fat? Stupid? Gonna attack my kdr? Call me a no name scrub?

When you learn to properly insult people, you can meet me in a thread in the War Room. Until then, keep your lowly mouth shut, keep your pathetic bullshit out of the Barbershop. Nobody gives a flying **** if you went 40/wazoo in pubs. You come in the Barbershop one more time and try to start ****, i will personally serve you up on a silver platter, and roast both your balls on my hibachi. Keep your **** out of the Barbershop, this is our sanctum, not some place to wiggle your non existent jimmies. I shouldn't even post this, but i am gonna. Git gud scrub.

That was a friendly rant in the same vein of calling vahzz a man boob.
This was not a explosion of any kind and im apologize if it came off that way. It was not even aimed at you dude. More so a general grumble at choices.

Oh please, a no name scrub that no one gives a fu*k about isn't worthy of a WR post

You do suck, you go negative in a heavy. Next time I see you, squad, mic the fu*k up, go negative and then shut the fu*k up. Its forum scrubs like you that think they are good, but get punked in-game even when they have a squad!

Edit: I did the exact same with park. Squadded and dropped 30 kill games so he would stfu

Is the MinMando rendered useless because it no longer has a bonus to Swarm Launchers, though? I mean I can understand the frustration of having to spec into Cal Mando to get the -MAXIMUM- benefit of Swarm Launchers but it isn't like we ripped it away completely and stamped on a 'No Minnie's allowed!' sign on the side of the Swarms. You're still able to use it, just not with the bonus.

Ah I see il give you a guide to northern rage.
If you see a lot ****** then thats when im yelling at you.
That and I'll call you a badger molester.

I am not a bad player

Sweet! Congrats dude! Reason I didn't realize all these post and so far back like 59 pages.
My daughter was born on the 15th also 18.75" and 7 lbs even, she was little bitty but
all my daughters were small. Nurses loved her in the nursery lol the only one blinging little bow caps.

Cal Logi GA Assault gonna be OP when hotfix drops.

The broken record has always said I should have a high chance of getting the kill if I stealth my way to get that close and use the right weapon correctly.

Balance:
If glass cannon Scouts die quickly and without warning, they should also kill quickly and without warning.

Making changes that affect investment should either not happen, or when it does, fair compensation be made. It makes a mockery of choices mattering, and totally screws over those with low SP (read: non-vets and casuals).

I don't like to see things that are wrong but always happen become accepted as the norm. I don't care how many times it's happened in the past; it still shouldn't happen.

In an ideal world it would be best to get the SP back for stuff that undergoes significant change.

"DUST 514: Where choices have consequences."

So, in summary your choices matter until CCP changes something. Then it's their choices that matter, unless you have so much SP that it's not a big deal. Hurts the newbz man, no way around that reality. You're asking them to suck it up while balance is re-tuned (or suck it up and buy AUR for boosters) - and you're hoping they'll not get miffed enough to leave.

Respec option is available in the market. Dunno what else to tell you.

EDIT: Before you explode (I'm sort of anticipating it) bear in mind that the Swarms being moved to Caldari Commandos was being discussed vaguely as early as May, 2014 and specifically as early as September, 2014. With what is now over a year of discussions, there was more than enough time to prepare for that advancement.

How do you folks feel about myos for combat usage?



I've found them to be extraordinarily effective at increasing my survivability. On an Amarr assault with SCR (boo, hiss, etc) I fit triple reps, dual plates, and triple myos.

In mid-fight I would jump, find that the damage I was taking was suddenly drastically lower, and I'd recover a significant amount of HP before hitting the ground.

@Adipem - Applying this to the future Calassault, hm...
I think it's worth noting that it weakens the tank of the Calassault to fit triple myos. The kind of Calassault I'd run in this scenario would be green bottle, three blue bottles, shield extender, shield recharger, and two shield regulators.

That would bring the recharge delay down to a second which may (more testing needed, previous snipe tests on a Calsent implied this) lead to perma-regen at a rate of 70 HP/s. The tank would be weak, at something like 400 HP? Numbers off the top of my head.

I think that if you attempted to shotgun such an opponent either you would manage to alpha them off field instantly or you would lose the fight. Actually, I think shotguns are well-suited to the task of fighting such a fit because you really do need to alpha kill them.

Green bottles allow a lot more jumping than 5 or 8 even now, IIRC. These are -drastic- increases in stamina and the time spent in the air is sufficient to allow the drastically increased regen rate to kick in. I don't think it's feasible to wait out a green bottled jumper - they won't run out of stamina.

CCP may consider things all the time or hint at changes but many never happen, are we supposed to sit around on our SP for a year? Does everyone follow forums that closely? Should everyone pay Aurum that's low SP and wants their choices to matter?!

Let's be honest, CCP has drastically changed role bonuses, modules, and weapons a number of times. There choices have a HUGE impact on our choices. I really don't get how you can't understand what we are trying to get at.

Good points, Ark.

Still curious about interplay between myofibs and new delays; feels like I'm airborne longer than 1 sec when running 3x blues. To answer your question, yes, I've found them to be particularly useful when making escapes. Need 2-3 though to get any real return. That's a hefty investment for a Scout.

You've got me thinking about another angle, though. Jumps aren't on the Speed-HP Curve.

With options!
Dual Tanked - OP
Damage Amp'd - OP

Also wondering about how the new shield recharge delays are gonna pair with Myofibs. You Shotgun a CA Assault in the back. He hops. By the time he lands, is he already recovering? And how many consecutive hops can he pull off in a row with one of those new Green Pills? 5? 8?

Myofibs + Shorter Delays = Free Pass from Shotgun?

How to fix?
Should they fix?
Mario MDs FTW?