@ Barbershop

People stop pointing out that Zor is a bad player.

Shotty. Gal Assault is not going to OP. It is going to be an unholy abomination with a OP TacAR/BurstAR. Cal Logi will be OP, but not broken. Gal Assault is going to be broken.

I can see the Burst being OP, but Tac? Assuming someone isn't using modded controllers, how would they be able to get the most out of the gun?

Protip: You can't.

You've got me thinking about another angle, though. Jumps aren't on the Speed-HP Curve.

You can get the most out of any of the guns without using a modded controller. You have to find the right rhythm. Just like the CR, a perfect 340 BPM, pretty easy to do. You are dismissing the gun off as lackluster without turbo. That is like saying a snake is not as venomous without wearing a sombrero.

This is why I own a metronome.
That and drums

@ Barbershop

People stop pointing out that Zor is a bad player.

With options!
Dual Tanked - OP
Damage Amp'd - OP

That is my point as well.

Hundreds of us skilled Swarms and MN Commando to run Swarms on the MN Commando. If it must be done -- for whatever reason -- then it must be done. But why not also refund everyone's SP investment in Swarm Launcher and the MN Commando skilltrees? Anything else would be a raw deal.

Mentioned this before but the only reason it doesn't happen I suspect is because of the amount of problems they've had trying to recompense anything at all. Something always seemed to go wrong and I think they just stopped trying as not only was it clearly too hard to do safely, leaving them a mess to clear up with precious dev time, but they lost most of their team anyways.

Of course it could always be to push respec sales and wotnot, and that would be good business sense, but I choose to believe the former is the main reason :)

PS. On a sidenote, I've noticed a glitch in FIFA 15 replays. Never seen it before, played the game for a long time. FIFA 16 just came out. For the first time, I had the thought, maybe EA are gradually breaking last year's game to push sales of the new one. I think I've read about this being a business tactic some disreputable companies (can't remember who) have used in the past.

I could just be taking everything personally, i do that. But i will not tolerate being lied on & having words in my mouth that i never said, or you won't even show proof if i did.

Yeah I'm trying to save up SP to invest in the rest of the shield trees.

Coz that mad regen fit Ghost posted a while back is gonna be even madder and I wanna try it.

Ghost you gotta unretire yourself again and run that fit once the hotfix is live, tell us if it's viable (no PC :-p )

@Aeon You really have to sit down and go through every angle on the respec/choices matter mantra.

You can't massively change your game up when it is a long term skill grind game and then expect people to pay money to catch up so they can enjoy your product. You can't just evaluate something from your perspective. A perspective of a 60+ mil SP player is going to be drastically different when it comes to drastic skill changes than a dude with 8 millions (or worse). It would take a n00b weeks to skill back into a play style that will again change on them You are way ahead of that curve. New players are not.

so you have to ask yourself as a CPM elect- do I want to preserve a status quo because it is a non factor to my experience, or do I want to grow and expand the player base?

The way CCP is doing it now is pretty short sighted, but I can see why it is easy for vets to jump on that for self serving reasons. And frankly, that is all it is with this your choices matter BS at this point. Your choices don't matter. Slipshod development, however, really matters.

The choices matters statement almost trumps CCPs attempt to Gäó the word soon as far as fantasy land stupidity goes.

Mentioned this before but the only reason it doesn't happen I suspect is because of the amount of problems they've had trying to recompense anything at all. Something always seemed to go wrong and I think they just stopped trying as not only was it clearly too hard to do safely, leaving them a mess to clear up with precious dev time, but they lost most of their team anyways.

Looks like NKU is close to kicking the bucket... It was a cool chat back when knifers were few and far between, but now that so many people run knives it's kind of lost its allure, similar to what happened to Scouts United... Now it's just a chat where I can find a few friends who I squad up regularly with.

Looks like NKU is close to kicking the bucket... It was a cool chat back when knifers were few and far between, but now that so many people run knives it's kind of lost its allure, similar to what happened to Scouts United... Now it's just a chat where I can find a few friends who I squad up regularly with.

Totally agree. I'd assumed that refunding SP investment in a couple skill trees could be done with minimal effort / risk. If doing so requires a large amount of Dev Time, then I can understand why it isn't being considered.

Still, I'd imagine they'd be better off leveling with us than the current "well, we mentioned it might happen back in 2014" or "buy a respec if you don't like it."

-Long schpiel about how I hate being held to a higher standard than anyone else because of three gold letters under my name-

Yeah, I understand the different perspectives full and well. Do I think it's worth going over to CCP and asking them to pull from development budget knowing the answer? Maybe, but what would I do if they said no? Pester them further until they ignore me completely? All I could do is suggest it and I already know what the answer is: Respecs are available in the market, otherwise burn it out of the normal game mechanics. It'd probably be easier to convince them to just undo the changes (which is very very slim as it is)

Yeah, it sucks, they lost the 10% damage bonus to Swarms and it went to another suit. However, if we had to issue out respecs to every marginalized player who felt shafted over the interim changes we'd be offering free respecs by now.

And the trademarking of soon was never actually a thing, I sincerely hope you realize that, lol. That was satire because of the amount of times they've said "soon" and it never happened over on the Eve side.

To be fair I suspect that was more from being someone in a non PR role from a non employee who gained title through popular player election than that it is the official standpoint of CCP.

At the very least official CCP personnel would word it better.

short soliloquy - Being CPM means you should realize that you are held to a higher standard because you are supposed to be. It's not just a win badge my friend. Unless that truly is what you think of it.. but hey that's up to you. You get to make of it what you will, of course.

No I do not think you should have to do anything along those lines. CCP should already know this. It's not like you will be breaching new ground by talking to them. Honestly, though. It'd most likely be for naught as probably too many doors have closed for it to make a difference any longer. A year or so ago would have been the time at the latest.

That's the key right there. . development should not marginalize players. Why that is even a thing is beyond me.. butwhatever. There is a large disconnect between the player base and CCP on this if development time is a theorycrafted reason why it is what it is. CCP designed the game ya know... You can always design it with strategies in mind. Theirs is short sighted plain and simple. Milk users until they leave and that's it apparently. You can't say two years into development that it is a cute mistake and the struggle is real for the Devs.

Also, I can rip on them for the Gäó soon thing. Putting out software with any Gäós in it is asserting a trade mark. So they, by publishing software, with SOONGäó dsiplayed in it they ended up asserting a trademark on soon. I bet the legal **** that ended up being discussed because of that move was interesting It was a joke I get it believe me. It was just a really dumb one.

My bad for giving it to you straight instead of burying it fanciful PR talk? Is that something you guys want me to do from now on, because I totally can lol.

What'd be cool is if you did your job.

You're a liaison between the playerbase and the Devs. So liaise. Let the Devs know that many players skilled Minmando and Swarms specifically to run Swarms on the Minmando. Let the Devs know that those who did are perturbed by the sudden switcheroo. Ask the Devs if it might be possible for the Swarm and MN Commando skilltrees to be refunded. If they say "no, it isn't possible", then come back and tell us exactly that.

You don't have to be a PR expert to figure this one out.