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Vyuru wrote:

I am sitting here thinking (and Lord knows that is a dangerous thing) what if we left Scouts as is (maybe a few tweaks) and created a new light suit called the Recon Suit (or something appropriate) The main idea is a suit more designed for infiltration than the Scouts, while removing Light Weapon usage from it to keep it from being an overpowered slayer.

Possibly make it fewer slots on average than a Scout, but the bonuses maybe let you make up the difference.... Not sure on that idea.

Rough idea:

Restricted to 2x Sidearms

Bonuses to Biotics/Hacking/Scanning Modules, Cloak (assuming no additional cloak skills added), possibly racial weapon usage for where it makes sense?

I would love to see a skill that makes Primary Objectives flip sooner for these suits, if possible.

I think these could be good bonuses to cloaking abilities per racial suit. Or, I could maybe see Cloak Fitting bonus stay on them, and make the following skills added to the Cloak tree:

3%-5% per level to Cloak Duration
3%-5% per level to Cloak Recharge
5% per level reduction to Cloak Shimmer

The 5% I think would work ok on Basic and Advanced level Cloaks, but I think might be overpowered on Proto Cloaks, so I'm thinking more 3% or 4% on Duration/Recharge.

And then either:

1% per level to Suit Dampening
or
10% per level reduction to Cloak Blindness

I dunno, the idea is still half baked in my head. Thought that maybe I can toss this out here, see what you guys thought and maybe we can get this shaped up and pitched to Rattati.

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sir RAVEN WING 3497	Posted - 2015.05.04 18:14:00 - [35131] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Wait. All my pub fits are over 40k The hell you guys running a 6k suit. Day 6/30 Calscout Knifer/Last of A Kind/Sneaky
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 1076	Posted - 2015.05.04 18:23:00 - [35132] - Quote Flaylock Steve wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I am certain Scotty hates me. In squad with Dreis: 3 games, two it lets everyone, but me in, second I am kicked while waiting to spawn. 3rd game, plays most of game, DC before end. -slams hands on table- Because you're the last Cal Knifer..... we've been through this already. Don't forget the other Llast cal knifer !! :3 Know what cannot be known.
sir RAVEN WING 3497	Posted - 2015.05.04 18:25:00 - [35133] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Flaylock Steve wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I am certain Scotty hates me. In squad with Dreis: 3 games, two it lets everyone, but me in, second I am kicked while waiting to spawn. 3rd game, plays most of game, DC before end. -slams hands on table- Because you're the last Cal Knifer..... we've been through this already. Don't forget the other Llast cal knifer !! :3 He has knives on a Calscout? Day 6/30 Calscout Knifer/Last of A Kind/Sneaky
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2423	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:23:00 - [35134] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Have played 10 or so Ambush matches so far today. Matches have been relatively full and evenly balanced. :: knocks on wood :: Cue papas sync Bahahahaha! I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Quil Evrything Nos Nothi 2108	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:24:00 - [35135] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: I Tanks are ridiculously overpowered, more often than not unavoidable, easily spammable, and nigh impossible to counter without a tank of your own. Meh... one tank, can be super annoying. one tank, can be unkillable if it runs away a lot. It's when they go around everywhere in PAIRS, that I just want to turn off the game.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9913	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:28:00 - [35136] - Quote Vyuru wrote: I am sitting here thinking (and Lord knows that is a dangerous thing) what if we left Scouts as is (maybe a few tweaks) and created a new light suit called the Recon Suit (or something appropriate) The main idea is a suit more designed for infiltration than the Scouts, while removing Light Weapon usage from it to keep it from being an overpowered slayer. Possibly make it fewer slots on average than a Scout, but the bonuses maybe let you make up the difference.... Not sure on that idea. Rough idea: Restricted to 2x Sidearms Bonuses to Biotics/Hacking/Scanning Modules, Cloak (assuming no additional cloak skills added), possibly racial weapon usage for where it makes sense? I would love to see a skill that makes Primary Objectives flip sooner for these suits, if possible. I think these could be good bonuses to cloaking abilities per racial suit. Or, I could maybe see Cloak Fitting bonus stay on them, and make the following skills added to the Cloak tree: 3%-5% per level to Cloak Duration 3%-5% per level to Cloak Recharge 5% per level reduction to Cloak Shimmer The 5% I think would work ok on Basic and Advanced level Cloaks, but I think might be overpowered on Proto Cloaks, so I'm thinking more 3% or 4% on Duration/Recharge. And then either: 1% per level to Suit Dampening or 10% per level reduction to Cloak Blindness I dunno, the idea is still half baked in my head. Thought that maybe I can toss this out here, see what you guys thought and maybe we can get this shaped up and pitched to Rattati. Maybe if role delineation were more of a thing in Dust, but with so much overlap already (Scout Heavies aka Dampened Assaults with Biotics). The roles would be so close that one would probably cannibalize the use of the other, such that it would completely negate either existing Scouts, or the Recon suits themselves. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Quil Evrything Nos Nothi 2109	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:31:00 - [35137] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Wait. All my pub fits are over 40k The hell you guys running I have some "nice" suits.. but then I also have a few full-BPO suits for when the stompers come around. ie, various combinations of: (ALL BPO) caldari assault/ Kaaliota scout toxin ar submachinegun basic shield extenders basic armor plate basic damp militia needle Kinda nice that I can put together a 100% free 600ehp(?) caldari assault. but I almost never use that one, unless I'm dumb enough to be playing ambush.
Quil Evrything Nos Nothi 2109	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:35:00 - [35138] - Quote Vyuru wrote: I am sitting here thinking (and Lord knows that is a dangerous thing) what if we left Scouts as is (maybe a few tweaks) and created a new light suit called the Recon Suit (or something appropriate) The main idea is a suit more designed for infiltration than the Scouts, while removing Light Weapon usage from it to keep it from being an overpowered slayer. man, when I proposed that sort of thing for scout itself a year or so ago, I got a virtual lynching. Quote: I would love to see a skill that makes Primary Objectives flip sooner for these suits, if possible. They already have a suit like that, it's called "minmatar scout". Bonuses to both movement speed and hacking. (Although you dont see many of them... so most of the time I get to be first to objectives with my obnoxious amarrr 3xcomplex kincat 10.75m/s super-stamina scout )
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9413	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:39:00 - [35139] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Have played 10 or so Ambush matches so far today. Matches have been relatively full and evenly balanced. :: knocks on wood :: Should've kept my mouth shut! 11 vs 4. 42 clones and 7 minutes of battle timer to go. Left battle on account of boredom; been waiting in queue ever since. (wish I'd have been on the 4-man team with an underdog bonus ... might've made a quick million ) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9413	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:45:00 - [35140] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Vyuru wrote: I am sitting here thinking (and Lord knows that is a dangerous thing) what if we left Scouts as is (maybe a few tweaks) and created a new light suit called the Recon Suit (or something appropriate) The main idea is a suit more designed for infiltration than the Scouts, while removing Light Weapon usage from it to keep it from being an overpowered slayer. man, when I proposed that sort of thing for scout itself a year or so ago, I got a virtual lynching. Lol, Quil :-) I'd personally prefer to first see racial parity and class parity achieved. Rattati has mentioned "post-level 5 content" in the form of lateral upgrades / specializations ... we should definitely keep in mind a passive recon unit as a possible, future specialization. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23784	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:47:00 - [35141] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Have played 10 or so Ambush matches so far today. Matches have been relatively full and evenly balanced. :: knocks on wood :: I don't believe you. It's like OCD, only with invasions. - Cat Merc Gallente Guide
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9413	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:53:00 - [35142] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Have played 10 or so Ambush matches so far today. Matches have been relatively full and evenly balanced. :: knocks on wood :: I don't believe you. Like I said, I spoke too soon. Played Ambush this morning between 8 and 11; no problems. Played Ambush this afternoon between 12:00 and 2:30; no problems. Got DC'd (internal error) about 20 minutes ago. Relogged. Spent the next 6 minutes in queue. Had one crappy match, which I left (nothing to shoot at). Spent another 6 minutes in queue ... still waiting. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
2Berries Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 830	Posted - 2015.05.04 19:54:00 - [35143] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Wait. All my pub fits are over 40k The hell you guys running My go-to fit is 16k, hopefully going down to 14.5 shortly. It's also a ranged scout. I have problems spending money on anything, thats how i got into Dust in the first place. Evening Boys, Hows the water?
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9915	Posted - 2015.05.04 20:02:00 - [35144] - Quote 2Berries wrote: noob cavman wrote: Wait. All my pub fits are over 40k The hell you guys running My go-to fit is 16k, hopefully going down to 14.5 shortly. It's also a ranged scout. I have problems spending money on anything, thats how i got into Dust in the first place. My fits run between 24 and 35 K. I die a lot, and still often don't make ISK. Hackers get less love than slayers. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3439	Posted - 2015.05.04 20:13:00 - [35145] - Quote Dreis' Blog - The Road to Redemption Day 17 - A Beautiful Reunion Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Day 18/30 exclusively Minja
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3439	Posted - 2015.05.04 20:14:00 - [35146] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: 2Berries wrote: noob cavman wrote: Wait. All my pub fits are over 40k The hell you guys running My go-to fit is 16k, hopefully going down to 14.5 shortly. It's also a ranged scout. I have problems spending money on anything, thats how i got into Dust in the first place. My fits run between 24 and 35 K. I die a lot, and still often don't make ISK. Hackers get less love than slayers. None of my fits are any less than 130K. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Day 18/30 exclusively Minja
Cyclops Rex Land of the BIind 1	Posted - 2015.05.04 20:16:00 - [35147] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: One Eyed King wrote: 2Berries wrote: noob cavman wrote: Wait. All my pub fits are over 40k The hell you guys running My go-to fit is 16k, hopefully going down to 14.5 shortly. It's also a ranged scout. I have problems spending money on anything, thats how i got into Dust in the first place. My fits run between 24 and 35 K. I die a lot, and still often don't make ISK. Hackers get less love than slayers. None of my fits are any less than 130K. Too bad it doesn't give you an advantage in knife duels.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9915	Posted - 2015.05.04 20:17:00 - [35148] - Quote Apparently I switched toons without realizing? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23786	Posted - 2015.05.04 20:49:00 - [35149] - Quote YOUR ALT HAS BEEN REVEALED It's like OCD, only with invasions. - Cat Merc Gallente Guide
2Berries Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 834	Posted - 2015.05.04 21:05:00 - [35150] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: YOUR ALT HAS BEEN REVEALED Should have "seen" that one coming! Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week! Evening Boys, Hows the water?

J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2833	Posted - 2015.05.04 21:09:00 - [35151] - Quote Refuse to look at the cost of suits. The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD TheYoutube
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 1078	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:32:00 - [35152] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Kaeru Nayiri wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I like normalizing damage and increasing radius with tiers. I also disagree with that we didn't know grenades use would go up, that was the intent, grenades were UP and are currently not a problem. Don't run blindly around a corner. RE's will be getting a throwing distance nerf in the next hotfix as they were meant as traps more than grenades. For those of you who use remotes a lot, don't be surprised when Hotfix Echo "tweaks" rolls out in the following week(s). I like the idea of decreasing toss range, but this will make it tough to get them onto tanks. It'd be cool if they further magnetized them by mimicking the AV grenade's homing mechanism. If I'm not mistaken, Rattati has either stated he wants that precise mechanic for the Pack RE either on forum or in his Big Board. I do not know if it will make it into Hotfix Tweaks, but yes, the combination of less toss range should come with an AV homing on vehicles at the same time. Perhaps only for the Packed variety, for better or for worse. Do the packed REs work yet? or is their splash radius still too small to register on anything? Know what cannot be known.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9417	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:49:00 - [35153] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: 1. Do the packed REs work yet? 2. or is their splash radius still too small to register on anything? 1. No, Packed REs do not work. 2. Correct; this is reportedly why they don't work. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2426	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:57:00 - [35154] - Quote We just stole kardia's gv.0 maddie. Killed a tank, turned off the hardeners, jumped out, watched it get blown up then ran into the sunset. I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Quil Evrything Nos Nothi 2111	Posted - 2015.05.05 00:52:00 - [35155] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: None of my fits are any less than 130K. Must... Find.. Dreis.. and killl himmm! Especially in one of my all-BPO suits! I haz golz nao.
Flaylock Steve Nos Nothi 860	Posted - 2015.05.05 01:24:00 - [35156] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Good, Steve! Was on the road for a few days; will be back in action tomorrow. Oh nice man, on the road working or just personal? (if you don't mind me asking). I still got that free thale for you, just haven't had time to get on. But maybe tonight or tomorrow I'll send it to you, and if possible can you upload some gameplay with it? Haven't seen it in action much, been awhile since one killed me xD.
Flaylock Steve Nos Nothi 860	Posted - 2015.05.05 01:28:00 - [35157] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The charge shot is a terrible idea if you're not using an Amarr assault. I don't agree with this, Park. Charged shots are great, but they're situational. Examples: * Sucker punch with a charged shot; switch to SMG or Bolt. * See Scout. Charge. OHK. * Charged headshot anyone you catch standing still. * Charged shot low HP units (great kill stealer). You certainly don't want to always open up with a charge shot, but I wouldn't say that charged shots are always a bad idea. Also, keep in mind that holding a charge makes alot of noise and can give away your position. Question about the SR, what is the recommended minimum prof for that gun?
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 774	Posted - 2015.05.05 01:34:00 - [35158] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: None of my fits are any less than 130K. Must... Find.. Dreis.. and killl himmm! Especially in one of my all-BPO suits! I haz golz nao. My entire life story I'm tracking him down in my Dragonfly scout with no damps and a KLA-90 PLC come at me bro 11M SP Gallente Logistics G/1 Series Scout M/1 Series Assault M/1 Series I'm doing something wrong
Flaylock Steve Nos Nothi 860	Posted - 2015.05.05 01:36:00 - [35159] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: YOUR ALT HAS BEEN REVEALED Who's Alt? o_o
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9419	Posted - 2015.05.05 01:43:00 - [35160] - Quote Flaylock Steve wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Good, Steve! Was on the road for a few days; will be back in action tomorrow. Oh nice man, on the road working or just personal? (if you don't mind me asking). I still got that free thale for you, just haven't had time to get on. But maybe tonight or tomorrow I'll send it to you, and if possible can you upload some gameplay with it? Haven't seen it in action much, been awhile since one killed me xD. Mostly just for fun. And don't send me anything for free! Send me your asking price and the quantity you're willing to sell. I've yet to purchase a recording device, though I hear Hauppauge makes a reliable, reasonably priced unit: Anyone use this? http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr_rocket.html Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley



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