Has skirmish stopped being laughably onesided yet?

I can help with tanks.

:D


EDIT:
If someone can keep those swarm launchers off me :(

DoneGǪ Knifing swarmers is almost as easy as knifing unaware snipers

Sometimes I wonder why I have this cloak, seriously what's the use of this bloody thing?

Working as intended

Sometimes I wonder why I have this cloak, seriously what's the use of this bloody thing?

Supposedly Rattati mentioned on Biomass recently that the cloaks may have been overly nerfed. Did not hear the podcast myself yet so I cannot confirm.

Jolly's 3-man vet squad has fair odds against a 4-man vet squad. Not the case against a 6-man vet squad.

Changing the rules mid-discussion is cheating.
:p

I thought the point here was to stop stomps.

Stomps happen when you get a squaded vet side, against a non-squaded non-vet side.

So your 4manvet vs 6man vet is irrelevant to the discussion.

My point is that a 4man vet squad can stomp an enemy non-squad team almost as badly as a 6man one.
It's a guaranteed win... it will just be a *slower* win :p

I tried long and hard with the swarms and found them completely usless vs tanks now due to the hardners UNLESS you have multiple coordinated people fighting the tank. Personally i only pull out the swarm launcher for DS now.

Perhaps stomping is not quantified in guaranteed win or loss, but rather by player frustration. Correct me if I'm wrong though..

If i'm going solo, with a bunch of solo randoms on my team, and there's a really good squad on the other side that dominates one particular objective... but they still lose overall.. I dont care, and frustrationlevel is low.
Because all I do is go to another objective, get lots of WP there, plus win bonuses, so ha ha you other guys still lost.

It's the win that makes it a stomp.

A good squad that still loses... isnt something that needs fixing.

Cloaks are terrible. I never fit them anymore, tbh.

interesting. Why PLC over, lets say, proto swarm launcher?
Just because you can use it to kill other stuffs as well?

Edit: and yeah, i'm going for a similar strategy myself lately, with swarms.

Although having trouble catching up to the Really Annoying tankers. They just keep moving so no chance to catch. Ever.
Grrrr.

I fit them but I hate them as well. Like they only work against bad players. There's been times I've just chased someone in a cloak and let them go because honestly that feels more cheap than anything. I've seen scouts run in cloak blind to hack an objective not seeing theres a heavy and me nearby, like in the same building but near the big windows. Kinda feel like dropping cloaks from all my fits. But again how else could a scout survive? Scanners? sucks for me cause I don't have proto level scanners, just adv. It's just annoying because anything but proto sucks when it comes to them. I might just spec into Min Assault or something. I guess I'm more frustrated with all these changes because I quit Dust during 1.3, came back during or a little before Echo and was smacked in the face with less survivability, Assaults being more OP, Scouts being blind etc.

Has skirmish stopped being laughably onesided yet?

Wha?! Skirmish is easily the least one-sided game mode. In Skirmish you normally win by a ratio of 60:40, in Ambush and Dom you regularly see teams winning by 90:10 or 80:20.

If you're being stomped in Skirmish, you have the choice between hacking non-objectives, picking off stragglers, hacking far off undefended objectives, etc. In Dom and Ambush you have the choice between a) being mulched and b) being mulched

Changing the rules mid-discussion is cheating.
:p

I thought the point here was to stop stomps.

Stomps happen when you get a squaded vet side, against a non-squaded non-vet side.

So your 4manvet vs 6man vet is irrelevant to the discussion.

My point is that a 4man vet squad can stomp an enemy non-squad team almost as badly as a 6man one.
It's a guaranteed win... it will just be a *slower* win :p

@ Steve

I agree its annoying, but am confident changes will be made soon and bring things into better balance as usual.

I think even just a change in Assault speeds might be enough.

If not, we can always assess what the circumstances are at that point, and fine tune ideas again.

Yes that will help, but what about scout performance overall? Scouts are pretty much blind now, at least for me. I notice the difference more than most because of the huge gap between updates that I have.

Its an adjustment more than anything.

We were super OP before, and while I would have preferred a different set of nerfs that still allowed us to be us without over performing, I simply have grudgingly accepted where we are now for the sake of balance, and believe that if CCP sees our K/S is too low, then something will be done to fix it.

If you really feel blind while cloaked, stick a scanner in your other slot. A lot of scouts have been using them, and seem to like them.

]What was the squad size during 1.3? Wasn't it 4 or somethimg?

but.. but... how is plasma cannon more effective against hardeners?

proto PLC, direct hit, does 1155 damage
With -10% to armor!

whereas Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher, if all hit, does 220*6 1320 damage? with +20% to armor, and thats without additional profficency damage??


So, in THEORY, swarms should do better as a finisher.

unless it's not so much the damage, but the fact that you can fire off a single PLC shot faster than a swarm lockon+travel time ?

Presuming you are close enough that is.

For people who arent crazy jumping jackrabits, I might imagine that swarms would still be better as a finisher after a good nade to the nads.


Edit: so to make things clear after much snippage:

in theory, Nades+swarm finish, should be easier than Nades+PLC finish.
Unless you're Jumpin Jolly Rancher that is ;)

First of im using adv not proto for cost effectiveness which really makes a big diff for swarms. But it basically comes down to speed of the shot. If I can land three av grenades and the plasma shot most tanks will break. Swarms lock on takes to long, the tanks will have killed you or the person jumping out of the tank will have.

Also swarms paint a big X on you for infantry to kill you. I tried the swarms and found them very ineffective vs most tanks. Current meta for soloing a tank is massive damage as quickly as possible before they drive off.

Squad size was 4 in Beta.

My thoughts exactly, worded more efficiently