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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:06:00 -
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I've been playing Dust in the mornings here on Battleserver:America since 2013. Was surprised to find all of my chat channels sparsely populated when I signed on this morning. Tried to play for a couple hours. Signing off with zero desire to try again tomorrow morning.
Acquisition: Stompers farming with HAVs.
Other Modes: 5+ minute waits.
Do you really need 3 HAVs and a Thales to hold a hackpanel from a team of largely unorganized randoms?
There are two types of vets left; there are the stompers and there are the casuals. One of these groups is taking a toll on headcount. People won't play a game that isn't fun, and "not having fun" has everything to do with why I'm not playing right now, why people are leaving matches, and why headcounts aren't growing. But I believe we can turn this around.
Kneecap the stompsquads who are driving away your customers; reduce squad sizes to 4. Continue tuning balance. Give casuals a reprieve by adding a sanctuary for soloists. Somewhere to make Isk; somewhere to run BPO gear and not care; somewhere to escape to when the partyboys are stinking up the other queues.
If there were somewhere to play right now which wasn't being farmed by stompers and HAVs, I'd be participating there instead of moaning here. 
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:09:00 -
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Ok Barbershop, there is a merc out there that needs your help. You guys can help by voting here .
Thanks guys
o7
YOU TUBEZ
BLOGZ
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
2820
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:18:00 -
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Noob : hey u wanna play with some of the guys?
XD : sure sure
Gets in squad like 2 others in it
Few moments go by
Random: uhh we getting to get 2 more?
It's gonna suck if we can't get 6
Few minutes later we finally deploy.
Social reasons : chat channels
The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD
TheYoutube
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9306
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:42:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Noob : hey u wanna play with some of the guys? XD : sure sure Gets in squad like 2 others in it Few moments go by Random: uhh we getting to get 2 more? It's gonna suck if we can't get 6 Few minutes later we finally deploy. Social reasons : chat channels
One corpmate online. We squad up.
"Been playing Acquisition since downtime this morning; can't get in to anything else. Played 6 or so matches, haven't won one yet. Pretty much stompers against randoms all morning."
Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against a stompsquad. We lose decisively.
Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against a stompsquad with 3 HAVs. Leave match.
Queue up for Skirm. 5 minutes later we queue up for Bush. 5 minutes later we give up.
Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against the same 3HAV stompsquad again. Leave battle.
Log off.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
23622
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:57:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against a stompsquad. We lose decisively.
Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against a stompsquad with 3 HAVs. Leave match.
Queue up for Skirm. 5 minutes later we queue up for Bush. 5 minutes later we give up.
Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against the same 3HAV stompsquad again. Leave battle.
Log off.
This is why I never play DUST on its own anymore.
Supreme Forum Warrior
Gallente Guide
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
2820
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Posted - 2015.04.29 17:10:00 -
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Acq does look to be a good tank squad mode.
The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD
TheYoutube
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
2284
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Posted - 2015.04.29 17:42:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Noob : hey u wanna play with some of the guys? XD : sure sure Gets in squad like 2 others in it Few moments go by Random: uhh we getting to get 2 more? It's gonna suck if we can't get 6 Few minutes later we finally deploy. Social reasons : chat channels One corpmate online. We squad up. Me: "How do you like the new mode?"Him: "Been playing Acquisition since downtime this morning; can't get in to anything else. Played 6 or so matches, haven't won one yet. Pretty much stompers against randoms all morning."Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against a stompsquad. We lose decisively. Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against a stompsquad with 3 HAVs. Leave match. Queue up for Skirm. 5 minutes later we queue up for Bush. 5 minutes later we give up. Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against the same 3HAV stompsquad again. Leave battle. Log off.
Matchmaking fast killing the game. Sux. See you all the other side I guess....they don't seem able to fix it fast enough or acknowledge there are severe issues.
Is there a golden number to have in a squad? Coz I don't hear large squads moaning about it...and on a personal note I think a solo game mode is not a good idea. I would have no idea how **** I am without going up against squads of good mercs (read: would have not invested time figuring out how to git gud over the months and years) |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9307
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:01:00 -
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Not ready to give up yet.
Reduce squads to 4. Consolidate a queue or two. If needed, rollback Scotty 2.0 until headcounts pick up. If they fix the stomp-or-be-stomped BS and get wait times down, I'd expect headcounts to grow.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
2085
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:08:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Not ready to give up yet.
Reduce squads to 4. Consolidate a queue or two. If needed, rollback Scotty 2.0 until headcounts pick up. If they fix the stomp-or-be-stomped BS and get wait times down, I'd expect headcounts to grow.
4 is too high, if you are suggesting changing nothing else.
A good 4-squad in an all-solo match will still completely dominate.
They could dominate Domination, even :)
eg: 2 heavies, a heal logi, and (whatever you want here with a scanner)
Only way to balance it is to match squad counts. Where Squad-size-N does not even get deployed unless a squad of similar size is getting deployed to other team.
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1486
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:23:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Not ready to give up yet.
Reduce squads to 4. Consolidate a queue or two. If needed, rollback Scotty 2.0 until headcounts pick up. If they fix the stomp-or-be-stomped BS and get wait times down, I'd expect headcounts to grow.
They need to rollback the scotty 2.0 changes, it's killing the game. Or fix the damn settings.
Overlord of Broman
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1486
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:26:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Noob : hey u wanna play with some of the guys? XD : sure sure Gets in squad like 2 others in it Few moments go by Random: uhh we getting to get 2 more? It's gonna suck if we can't get 6 Few minutes later we finally deploy. Social reasons : chat channels One corpmate online. We squad up. Me: "How do you like the new mode?"Him: "Been playing Acquisition since downtime this morning; can't get in to anything else. Played 6 or so matches, haven't won one yet. Pretty much stompers against randoms all morning."Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against a stompsquad. We lose decisively. Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against a stompsquad with 3 HAVs. Leave match. Queue up for Skirm. 5 minutes later we queue up for Bush. 5 minutes later we give up. Queue up for Acq. Scotty puts us against the same 3HAV stompsquad again. Leave battle. Log off.
After much frustration with tanks, i have a new tank busting fit which actually works sometimes (if i make it to the tanker before infantry gets me).
Advance Gal Scout
- Adv PLC
- Adv packed AV grenades
- K/5 Nanohive (or basic, can't remember)
- Adv Cloak
- enhanced shield extenders
- complex ferro/reactives
The key is to cloak up and race for the tanker. Uncloak near him and toss as many AV grenades as possible, finish him with a PLC shot. Although PLC is better vs shields you want to open up with the AV grenades before the hardeners go up and he backs away from you. The PLC shot is to finish him when he's out of range of grenades.
Overlord of Broman
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1486
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:29:00 -
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With the above fit, it's got lots of HP to survive the tanker opening up once he sees you tossing grenades (it might actually have one KC, not sure if i could fit it). The HP also helps you run from the infantry or survive the infantry that will hop out of the tank once your in close. The key is to focus on the tank, if the guy jumping out gets you oh well.
Overlord of Broman
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9307
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:33:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Not ready to give up yet.
Reduce squads to 4. Consolidate a queue or two. If needed, rollback Scotty 2.0 until headcounts pick up. If they fix the stomp-or-be-stomped BS and get wait times down, I'd expect headcounts to grow. 4 is too high, if you are suggesting changing nothing else. A good 4-squad in an all-solo match will still completely dominate. They could dominate Domination, even :) eg: 2 heavies, a heal logi, and (whatever you want here with a scanner) [edit: or a Jumpin Jolly Jack...hammer, for AOE 'splodies] Only way to balance it is to match squad counts. Where Squad-size-N does not even get deployed unless a squad of similar size is getting deployed to other team.
A squad of 4 stompers would be far less potent than a squad of 6.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
2085
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:34:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:
The key is to cloak up and race for the tanker. Uncloak near him and toss as many AV grenades as possible, finish him with a PLC shot. Although PLC is better vs shields you want to open up with the AV grenades before the hardeners go up and he backs away from you. The PLC shot is to finish him when he's out of range of grenades.
interesting. Why PLC over, lets say, proto swarm launcher?
Just because you can use it to kill other stuffs as well?
Edit: and yeah, i'm going for a similar strategy myself lately, with swarms.
Although having trouble catching up to the Really Annoying tankers. They just keep moving so no chance to catch. Ever.
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
2085
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:36:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
A squad of 4 stompers would be far less potent than a squad of 6.
I thought the goal here was to actually FIX things. not merely make them (slightly less annoying). 
Heck, Jolly's little video showed how a squad of just THREE, can dominate a domination game. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9307
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:53:00 -
[34726] - Quote
@ Ares
Have a similar fit (lai dais + pro5 PLC). Agreed - best light infantry AV option.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1486
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:06:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Ares 514 wrote:
The key is to cloak up and race for the tanker. Uncloak near him and toss as many AV grenades as possible, finish him with a PLC shot. Although PLC is better vs shields you want to open up with the AV grenades before the hardeners go up and he backs away from you. The PLC shot is to finish him when he's out of range of grenades.
interesting. Why PLC over, lets say, proto swarm launcher? Just because you can use it to kill other stuffs as well? Edit: and yeah, i'm going for a similar strategy myself lately, with swarms. Although having trouble catching up to the Really Annoying tankers. They just keep moving so no chance to catch. Ever. Grrrr.
I tried long and hard with the swarms and found them completely usless vs tanks now due to the hardners UNLESS you have multiple coordinated people fighting the tank. Personally i only pull out the swarm launcher for DS now.
The PLC can be used vs infantry and I try, i really do but i suck with it. Sometimes i end up having fun with it while hunting a tank if i'm getting lucky.
The key with the PLC is you can get the shot off before the tank murders you. The blasters are to damn accurate now and you only have a small window. The PLC also packs a bigger punch with a single shot (you wont' get a second with swarms vs a tank).
Overlord of Broman
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1486
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:08:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:@ Ares
Have a similar fit (lai dais + pro5 PLC). Agreed - best light infantry AV option.
Yup, a better fit but personally i go for cost effective when fighting tanks because i'm 100% sure i'll loose that fit every time, usually due to infantry. I just aim to take the tanker with me :)
Overlord of Broman
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9310
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:11:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
A squad of 4 stompers would be far less potent than a squad of 6.
I thought the goal here was to actually FIX things. not merely make them (slightly less annoying). Heck, Jolly's little video showed how a squad of just THREE, can dominate a domination game.
Jolly's 3-man vet squad has fair odds against a 4-man vet squad. Not the case against a 6-man vet squad.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9310
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:13:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:@ Ares
Have a similar fit (lai dais + pro5 PLC). Agreed - best light infantry AV option. Yup, a better fit but personally i go for cost effective when fighting tanks because i'm 100% sure i'll loose that fit every time, usually due to infantry. I just aim to take the tanker with me :)
Exactly! My fit's 40k. Dragonfly + CPU upgrade :-). Proto loadout would run at least150k.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
7337
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:21:00 -
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Fix the damned Packed RE and I'll fix the HAV situation
MOAR Ladders
SpadeGǪ Remember your Warbarge
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Flaylock Steve
Nos Nothi
776
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:34:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I hope LAV BPOs proliferate, now they're at <1000 HP.
OHKOing LAVs with a placon is wonderful.
Or 3 std r/es planted when no one is looking and you get a full lav of reds and boom |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1489
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:35:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:@ Ares
Have a similar fit (lai dais + pro5 PLC). Agreed - best light infantry AV option. Yup, a better fit but personally i go for cost effective when fighting tanks because i'm 100% sure i'll loose that fit every time, usually due to infantry. I just aim to take the tanker with me :) Exactly! My fit's 40k. Dragonfly + CPU upgrade :-). Proto loadout would run at least150k. Edit: think we're missing a piece of the puzzle; birds that bust tanks.
Damn! Your's is cheaper then mine... lol, maybe i should use an standard fit with a cpu mod. I think mine is like 55k. I don't have a scout bpo :(
Overlord of Broman
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1489
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:36:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Fix the damned Packed RE and I'll fix the HAV situation
Nice, i'll never forget the first and only time i used those. My chuckling was interrupted by me screaming WTF it didn't take any damage as i died.
Overlord of Broman
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
23628
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:37:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
Reduce squads to 4.
4 is too high
I hope you are trolling.
Supreme Forum Warrior
Gallente Guide
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Jolly Roger87
Nos Nothi
26
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:40:00 -
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I dunno how much the min assault suit is i usually jump after tanks but it isn't bad I don't think. Proto plasma/grenades and yeah the plasma is great to go after vehicles with because you can still mess with the infantry that show up.
4man squads = less eyes on the field, less people to have you in their los and showing you to the rest of the squad, less team fire.
I can't wait for it personally, but indeed I'm biased. Always liked running with small squads over 6mans.
6man squads, while yeah you have two more people to talk to about your new shoes or what not, the game itself becomes boring redlines. |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1490
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:51:00 -
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Jolly Roger87 wrote:I dunno how much the min assault suit is i usually jump after tanks but it isn't bad I don't think. Proto plasma/grenades and yeah the plasma is great to go after vehicles with because you can still mess with the infantry that show up.
4man squads = less eyes on the field, less people to have you in their los and showing you to the rest of the squad, less team fire.
I can't wait for it personally, but indeed I'm biased. Always liked running with small squads over 6mans.
6man squads, while yeah you have two more people to talk to about your new shoes or what not, the game itself becomes boring redlines.
That actually is probably the optimal fit for tank busting now since it's still really viable against infantry.
Personally I don't have any assault suits anymore.
Overlord of Broman
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
10969
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Posted - 2015.04.29 20:20:00 -
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I don't like acquisition.
Randomized blob movements. Ew.
I'll stick with my Skirmish, thank you. I like being able to predict troop movements.
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Spademan
6432
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Posted - 2015.04.29 20:25:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:I don't like acquisition.
Randomized blob movements. Ew.
I'll stick with my Skirmish, thank you. I like being able to predict troop movements.
Has skirmish stopped being laughably onesided yet?
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
2392
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Posted - 2015.04.29 20:33:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:I don't like acquisition.
Randomized blob movements. Ew.
I'll stick with my Skirmish, thank you. I like being able to predict troop movements.
you forgot to mention that a ai railgun turret ruined your dreams.
I want to be a caveman!
psn: marko_blues
Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
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