True, I honestly think the cloak isn't worth it that much right now, I barely run it even on scouts now except in large open maps.

I still run it in PC.

Not showing up on long range aim is a blessing when rushing outside points.

All I want out of the cloak is reduced shimmer and for them to fix the damn sprint bug :( I love the cloak so much but it's just not good enough right now.

You still getting the sprint bug? I have been getting it again since warlords but not nearly as bad as it was before they fixed it.

Perhaps I should advise using the Caldari Scout for a bit? I use them all the time and somehow manage to keep my wallhacks while cloaked. Only one or two Gallente scouts evade my Tac-net.

Is this suppose to happen, or has the tac-net gods favoured me?

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After playing with my team, I am certain the Minmatar Scout needs something taken. Fast, Deadly, and unbelievebly hard to hit. (To the point where Nova Knives seem to phase through them if they take a single step.)

Also, fought a frontline, and it survived both swipes from a fully charged IshoNKs to shoot me down. I must question the power of the AF. (Amarr Frontline.)

Please elaborate.

Seriously raven sometimes you have good ideas, and sometimes you pull things from your ass.

Bastards
They are available
Nothi Knives
And other Officer SidearmsGǪ but really who does not want the Knives

Nothi Knives are better for thematic reasons than gameplay reasons. The walk multiplier is neat, the charge time is neat, the extra damage is good, but none of that is good enough to make me actually want to... use the damn things. I don't wanna lose em. And you're pretty much guaranteed to if you're knifing. Wish they were a bit more powerful, considering they're easily the most dangerous officer weapon to use. Maybe I should've complained more in the announcement thread before Rattati finalized their designs. shrugs

The officer Flaylock, on the other hand... oh my god it's like a gift from the heavens.

There is no consensus on high slot codebreakers.

The binary nature of scanning is a bad thing. It forces people to either go full dampening or don't bother with it at all. There is no middle ground.

There is absolutely no incentive to use damps on anything but Scouts because most of the time they don't give you enough of an advantage compared to other modules, most prominently HP modules.

The problem with how damps currently work is that they become useless, as soon as there is a scanner around that is too powerful. With a GA Logi on the field, the entire enemy team gets the advantage of the all-seeing eye of that single GA Logi, rendering damps entirely useless if you can't completely hide from that scanner. And damps are the only module that work like that. They are the only module that can become completely useless if you don't stack a lot of them.

One solution would be to buff dampeners, but this would further contribute to the binary nature of scanning, and we don't want that.

But if dampeners reduced the scanned duration, scanning would become less powerful without rendering it useless, and maybe more people would consider using damps even if they can't hide from scanners completely.

Dampeners would become more of a viable alternative to HP modules, especially for medium suits.

Active scanners are the most overpowered piece of equipment in this game. They completely remove the ability to flank enemy positions in anything but scout suits by giving the whole team the exact locations of enemies and on top of that a nice little wallhack chevron above their heads so that the only thing you have to do is to wait until the enemy comes around the corner and shoot them in the head. And there has to be a viable counterplay to that for all suits, not just scouts, and that counterplay should not be stacking as many damps as you can to render scans useless.

Couldn't agree more, Jebus. Going to link this downstairs so it doesn't get buried.

As an aside, I've brought up GalLogi scan concerns with the Logi Community in Cross's thread. For the most part, they seem to think that "everything is fine". Many of them are under the impression that Scouts are still overperforming. Not making much headway. Also not sure if this is the audience we should be engaging. A conversation with Pokey, Cross or Demonsbane would perhaps prove more productive.

That being said, of course the Logis will disagree with these changes, because it means they will get less WPs. The problem with the scanner is, it is way more powerful than the WPs for scanning suggest. Maybe we should increase the duration for intel assist points to last slightly longer than the actual scanned duration.

Combined with the idea of damps reducing scanned duration this would result in less wallhacks but not in less WPs for the Logis.

Couldn't agree more, Jebus. Going to link this downstairs so it doesn't get buried.

As an aside, I've brought up GalLogi scan concerns with the Logi Community in Cross's thread. For the most part, they seem content to play the "everything is fine" card. Many of them are under the impression that Scouts are still overperforming. Not making much headway.

Pitched swapping the GalLogi Precision bonus for a Cooldown bonus.
Less cycle time = more scans = more WP.

I can't take it anymore, I have to fit a scanner, I'm so ******* sick of being blind. A scout that can't scout, really great fun getting my ass torn off by a ***** heavy that I can't see on my scans.

Bloody hell.

I can't take it anymore, I have to fit a scanner, I'm so ******* sick of being blind. A scout that can't scout, really great fun getting my ass torn off by a ***** heavy that I can't see on my scans.

Bloody hell.

In theory it is a good idea. The problem though is that we would have to change a lot of stats to balance scanning once again, because without that precision bonus it is too easy for scouts to hide from scans, IMO. Even I think that Scouts should have to use at least one cmplx Damp to hide from a proto scanner. (So that would result in the need to buff proto scanner to 25db? Which would result in Assaults only need 2 cmplx Damps to avoid it too.)

@ Varoth / Void / Spade

If shimmer reduction is an option, then yes, absolutely; this would be the optimal fix for cloak. If shimmer reduction is not an option, we should consider easily implemented alternatives.

Possibly if activating the cloak as a reaction to being scanned removed the scan it could work.

I suspect that would altogether negate the need damps. I don't believe that would be balanced.

I'm a little late to the party, but: I'm still in favor of codebreakers moving to high slots. In lows we have armor plates, dampeners, kincats, ferroscales. In high slots, we have shield extenders. And maybe shield regulators? The module diversity in highs is ridiculously low, it's basically stack HP or do nothing. Moving codebreakers to high would encourage diversity, and to me that's more important than preserving the minja's niche.

Although on that note, I seriously doubt any assault would put codebreakers on even if they were in highs. It would still be most useful to minjas since they don't fit much HP anyways.