| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 1300 1400 1500 1600 1700 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 178 post(s) |
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
VP Gaming Alliance
3042
   |
Posted - 2015.02.27 01:16:00 -
[30001] - Quote
Double post.
Damn internet lag. 
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!" - Edgar Allan Poe
CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice.
I will steal his hamsters!
|
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
VP Gaming Alliance
3042
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 01:17:00 -
[30002] - Quote
Snip because I fail at counting. 
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!" - Edgar Allan Poe
CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice.
I will steal his hamsters!
|
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
VP Gaming Alliance
3042
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 01:18:00 -
[30003] - Quote
30k. Just to itch at everyone.
Just need another 10k replies.
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!" - Edgar Allan Poe
CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice.
I will steal his hamsters!
|
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
VP Gaming Alliance
3042
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 01:25:00 -
[30004] - Quote
Spademan wrote:One thousand yen says that damned bird takes post 30'000
You are welcome. 
Also, does anyone feel that the Minmatar scout (and Commando, but that's a different thread's job.) has a weird bonus?
They take our knives, and defile them! Jokes aside, who would be for the Minmatar Scout getting a Melee bonus. (To range of melee or maybe damage.)
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!" - Edgar Allan Poe
CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice.
I will steal his hamsters!
|
Spademan
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5952
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 01:25:00 -
[30005] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
As for Cloak, this is the Scout's shared class bonus, and this shared bonus should be as effective one race to the next. Cloak's Active Damp effect was removed for a good reason, but that reason no longer exists. The environment has changed with Falloff, Scouts are no longer able to displace Assaults, and cloak has been nerfed many times over with changes to duration, cloak blind, decloak delay.
It's due time for cloak to do something useful again.
Numbers! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15wayNGWLrzWDuULDjyIPc1cbB1i3QYQCKa6KC1tiFqM/edit#gid=0Proposal is straight forward; change cloak's active damp bonus from 0-5-10 to 10-15-25. If my math is right: GA/CA Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + basic cloak (instead of 2 damps + proto). MN/AM Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + proto cloak (instead of 3 damps + proto). What do you guys think?
Still doesn't seem worth running a cloak.
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
|
Spademan
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5952
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 01:26:00 -
[30006] - Quote
sir RAVEN WING wrote:who would be for the Minmatar Scout getting a Melee bonus. (To range of melee or maybe damage.)
That's a dangerous thing to say around here. mr musturd would have your head if he saw that.
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
|
voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1186
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 01:30:00 -
[30007] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
As for Cloak, this is the Scout's shared class bonus, and this shared bonus should be as effective one race to the next. Cloak's Active Damp effect was removed for a good reason, but that reason no longer exists. The environment has changed with Falloff, Scouts are no longer able to displace Assaults, and cloak has been nerfed many times over with changes to duration, cloak blind, decloak delay.
It's due time for cloak to do something useful again.
Numbers! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15wayNGWLrzWDuULDjyIPc1cbB1i3QYQCKa6KC1tiFqM/edit#gid=0Proposal is straight forward; change cloak's active damp bonus from 0-5-10 to 10-15-25. If my math is right: GA/CA Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + basic cloak (instead of 2 damps + proto). MN/AM Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + proto cloak (instead of 3 damps + proto). What do you guys think? I would be back to what my gal scout was in 1.8
I would not mind this other than it being a nerf to my gal precision and I am sure the amarr scouts consider it a nerf as well to precision.
noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Faction
|
voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1186
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 01:48:00 -
[30008] - Quote
Spademan wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
As for Cloak, this is the Scout's shared class bonus, and this shared bonus should be as effective one race to the next. Cloak's Active Damp effect was removed for a good reason, but that reason no longer exists. The environment has changed with Falloff, Scouts are no longer able to displace Assaults, and cloak has been nerfed many times over with changes to duration, cloak blind, decloak delay.
It's due time for cloak to do something useful again.
Numbers! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15wayNGWLrzWDuULDjyIPc1cbB1i3QYQCKa6KC1tiFqM/edit#gid=0Proposal is straight forward; change cloak's active damp bonus from 0-5-10 to 10-15-25. If my math is right: GA/CA Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + basic cloak (instead of 2 damps + proto). MN/AM Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + proto cloak (instead of 3 damps + proto). What do you guys think? Still doesn't seem worth running a cloak. because of the delay, cloak blind, or shimmer?
I consider the shimmer the biggest issue I have with the cloak. can't scratch my ass without someone seeing me glowing in the corner. If i had less shimmer I would not be seen for the delay to bother me. Also If I was not blind while cloaked I would know when not to move more often.
cloak blind second as I like to play ewar so I rely heavy on tac-net.
delay only because it is delayed even when not cloaked.
noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Faction
|
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
VP Gaming Alliance
3042
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 02:05:00 -
[30009] - Quote
Spademan wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:who would be for the Minmatar Scout getting a Melee bonus. (To range of melee or maybe damage.) That's a dangerous thing to say around here. mr musturd would have your head if he saw that.
Should I notify him that I said that? I have been trying to find the sneaky bastard for nearly 6 months now.
Does he still play? I would like to know if I should give up hunting or not.
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!" - Edgar Allan Poe
CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice.
I will steal his hamsters!
|
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
VP Gaming Alliance
3042
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 02:13:00 -
[30010] - Quote
voidfaction wrote:Spademan wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
As for Cloak, this is the Scout's shared class bonus, and this shared bonus should be as effective one race to the next. Cloak's Active Damp effect was removed for a good reason, but that reason no longer exists. The environment has changed with Falloff, Scouts are no longer able to displace Assaults, and cloak has been nerfed many times over with changes to duration, cloak blind, decloak delay.
It's due time for cloak to do something useful again.
Numbers! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15wayNGWLrzWDuULDjyIPc1cbB1i3QYQCKa6KC1tiFqM/edit#gid=0Proposal is straight forward; change cloak's active damp bonus from 0-5-10 to 10-15-25. If my math is right: GA/CA Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + basic cloak (instead of 2 damps + proto). MN/AM Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + proto cloak (instead of 3 damps + proto). What do you guys think? Still doesn't seem worth running a cloak. because of the delay, cloak blind, or shimmer? I consider the shimmer the biggest issue I have with the cloak. can't scratch my ass without someone seeing me glowing in the corner. If i had less shimmer I would not be seen for the delay to bother me. Also If I was not blind while cloaked I would know when not to move more often. cloak blind second as I like to play ewar so I rely heavy on tac-net. delay only because it is delayed even when not cloaked.
Perhaps I should advise using the Caldari Scout for a bit? I use them all the time and somehow manage to keep my wallhacks while cloaked. Only one or two Gallente scouts evade my Tac-net.
Is this suppose to happen, or has the tac-net gods favoured me?
[Unrelated]
After playing with my team, I am certain the Minmatar Scout needs something taken. Fast, Deadly, and unbelievebly hard to hit. (To the point where Nova Knives seem to phase through them if they take a single step.)
Also, fought a frontline, and it survived both swipes from a fully charged IshoNKs to shoot me down. I must question the power of the AF. (Amarr Frontline.)
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore!" - Edgar Allan Poe
CCP Falcon has betrayed me... twice.
I will steal his hamsters!
|
|
|
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6973
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 02:21:00 -
[30011] - Quote
sir RAVEN WING wrote:who would be for the Minmatar Scout getting a Melee bonus. (To range of melee or maybe damage.)
I like the old Gav better than this new Gav.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
|
voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1187
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 02:31:00 -
[30012] - Quote
sir RAVEN WING wrote:voidfaction wrote:Spademan wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
As for Cloak, this is the Scout's shared class bonus, and this shared bonus should be as effective one race to the next. Cloak's Active Damp effect was removed for a good reason, but that reason no longer exists. The environment has changed with Falloff, Scouts are no longer able to displace Assaults, and cloak has been nerfed many times over with changes to duration, cloak blind, decloak delay.
It's due time for cloak to do something useful again.
Numbers! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15wayNGWLrzWDuULDjyIPc1cbB1i3QYQCKa6KC1tiFqM/edit#gid=0Proposal is straight forward; change cloak's active damp bonus from 0-5-10 to 10-15-25. If my math is right: GA/CA Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + basic cloak (instead of 2 damps + proto). MN/AM Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + proto cloak (instead of 3 damps + proto). What do you guys think? Still doesn't seem worth running a cloak. because of the delay, cloak blind, or shimmer? I consider the shimmer the biggest issue I have with the cloak. can't scratch my ass without someone seeing me glowing in the corner. If i had less shimmer I would not be seen for the delay to bother me. Also If I was not blind while cloaked I would know when not to move more often. cloak blind second as I like to play ewar so I rely heavy on tac-net. delay only because it is delayed even when not cloaked. Perhaps I should advise using the Caldari Scout for a bit? I use them all the time and somehow manage to keep my wallhacks while cloaked. Only one or two Gallente scouts evade my Tac-net. Is this suppose to happen, or has the tac-net gods favoured me? [Unrelated] After playing with my team, I am certain the Minmatar Scout needs something taken. Fast, Deadly, and unbelievebly hard to hit. (To the point where Nova Knives seem to phase through them if they take a single step.) Also, fought a frontline, and it survived both swipes from a fully charged IshoNKs to shoot me down. I must question the power of the AF. (Amarr Frontline.) I pull out my cal scout very rarely because ScR and AR are what I see in the killfeed the most. That is why I have both gal / cal scout. If CR and RR are dominant in a match I use my cal scout. That 30m 26/21db precision with armor HP I like better than 45/55m 36db precision with shield HP. Not using alpha dmg weapon you need to be able to tank a few shots.
I do prefer the cal as a shotgunner scout though because as you said the cloak blind is not such a problem I just really hate shotgun or nk's.
noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Faction
|
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6973
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 02:32:00 -
[30013] - Quote
Spademan wrote:Quote:GA/CA Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + basic cloak (instead of 2 damps + proto).
MN/AM Scouts now beat 15dB scans at 2 damps + proto cloak (instead of 3 damps + proto).
GA/CA Scouts now beat 21dB scans at 0 damps + proto cloak (instead of 1 damp).
MN/AM Scouts now beat 21dB scans at 1 damps + advanced cloak (instead of 2 damps).
Still doesn't seem worth running a cloak.
Please elaborate.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
|
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6973
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 02:34:00 -
[30014] - Quote
voidfaction wrote:
I do prefer the cal as a shotgunner scout though because as you said the cloak blind is not such a problem ..
There's a good chance Raven is just making stuff up.
Does anyone remember the actual cloak-blind numbers?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
|
voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1187
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 02:42:00 -
[30015] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:voidfaction wrote:
I do prefer the cal as a shotgunner scout though because as you said the cloak blind is not such a problem ..
There's a good chance Raven is just making stuff up. Does anyone remember the actual cloak-blind numbers? I think it was 80% reduction.
I can notice a difference in cloak blind from cal scout to gal scout.
But also I have the difference from running 24db precision and 51m range on the cal scout compared to the 21db precision 30m range gal.
noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Faction
|
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6974
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 02:47:00 -
[30016] - Quote
Cloakblind GalScout + 0 Range Extenders
Inner Ring - 1 meter
Outer Ring - 5 meters
Cloakblind CalScout + 0 Range Extenders
Inner Ring - 1 meter
Outer Ring - 7 meters
Cloakblind CalScout + 2 Range Extenders
Inner Ring - 2 meters
Outer Ring - 9 meters
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
|
XxBlazikenxX
Y.A.M.A.H
353
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:13:00 -
[30017] - Quote
Dangit, I wrote it in a rush, and didn't have time to delete it. I hate myself sometimes.
Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H
Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
|
XxBlazikenxX
Y.A.M.A.H
353
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:14:00 -
[30018] - Quote
One Eyed King wrote:Spademan wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
On Scouts
To quote Jebus, Active Scanners are not the counter to Scouts and Dampeners; Scouts and Dampeners are the counter to Active Scanners. I agreed with Jebus' sentiment 100% at the time and today over 9000% on account of Falloff.
If I had it my way, I'd have passive damps counter passive scans, active scans counter passive damps and active damps counter active scans. With both active being a percent bonus. After hearing about the active dampeners possibly being developed, I suspect this is the best way to view things.
Cloak fields are essentially active dampeners.
Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H
Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
|
voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1192
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:16:00 -
[30019] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Cloakblind GalScout + 0 Range Extenders
Inner Ring - 1 meter
Outer Ring - 5 meters
Cloakblind CalScout + 0 Range Extenders
Inner Ring - 1 meter
Outer Ring - 7 meters
Cloakblind CalScout + 2 Range Extenders
Inner Ring - 2 meters
Outer Ring - 9 meters
Same thing i figured on paper but SOMETIMES I pick up people farther on tac-net through walls when cloaked with my cal scout. Bugged or someone using active scanner I do not know.
I will run cal my scout a few matches and test out more. I really just think it is bugged or scanner user because it will be like 1 merc 20m away behind a wall with no direction marker.
noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Faction
|
XxBlazikenxX
Y.A.M.A.H
353
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:17:00 -
[30020] - Quote
Spademan wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Spademan wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
On Scouts
To quote Jebus, Active Scanners are not the counter to Scouts and Dampeners; Scouts and Dampeners are the counter to Active Scanners. I agreed with Jebus' sentiment 100% at the time and today over 9000% on account of Falloff.
If I had it my way, I'd have passive damps counter passive scans, active scans counter passive damps and active damps counter active scans. With both active being a percent bonus. After hearing about the active dampeners possibly being developed, I suspect this is the best way to view things. Damn right it is, after all... CCP Rattati wrote:Spade is always right! 
If senpai says yes, I say yes.
Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H
Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
|
|
|
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
9955
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:18:00 -
[30021] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Spademan wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
On Scouts
To quote Jebus, Active Scanners are not the counter to Scouts and Dampeners; Scouts and Dampeners are the counter to Active Scanners. I agreed with Jebus' sentiment 100% at the time and today over 9000% on account of Falloff.
If I had it my way, I'd have passive damps counter passive scans, active scans counter passive damps and active damps counter active scans. With both active being a percent bonus. After hearing about the active dampeners possibly being developed, I suspect this is the best way to view things. Cloak fields are essentially active dampeners.
And they provide an extra basic dampener at proto level.
Not worth at all.
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
|
voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1197
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:19:00 -
[30022] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Spademan wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
On Scouts
To quote Jebus, Active Scanners are not the counter to Scouts and Dampeners; Scouts and Dampeners are the counter to Active Scanners. I agreed with Jebus' sentiment 100% at the time and today over 9000% on account of Falloff.
If I had it my way, I'd have passive damps counter passive scans, active scans counter passive damps and active damps counter active scans. With both active being a percent bonus. After hearing about the active dampeners possibly being developed, I suspect this is the best way to view things. Cloak fields are essentially active dampeners. But a active dampener would not have a delay and you could still fire weapons while active.
noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Faction
|
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
9957
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:19:00 -
[30023] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:Completely ignore this post.
Such a rebel
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
|
XxBlazikenxX
Y.A.M.A.H
353
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:20:00 -
[30024] - Quote
voidfaction wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Spademan wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
On Scouts
To quote Jebus, Active Scanners are not the counter to Scouts and Dampeners; Scouts and Dampeners are the counter to Active Scanners. I agreed with Jebus' sentiment 100% at the time and today over 9000% on account of Falloff.
If I had it my way, I'd have passive damps counter passive scans, active scans counter passive damps and active damps counter active scans. With both active being a percent bonus. After hearing about the active dampeners possibly being developed, I suspect this is the best way to view things. Cloak fields are essentially active dampeners. But a active dampener would not have a delay and you could still fire weapons while active.
Well I guess that's the difference then, I'm in!
Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H
Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
|
XxBlazikenxX
Y.A.M.A.H
353
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:21:00 -
[30025] - Quote
I will never live that down will I?
Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H
Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
|
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6983
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:23:00 -
[30026] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:
And they provide an extra basic dampener at proto level.
Not worth at all.
Propose we change that:
0-5-10 to 10-15-25
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
|
voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1198
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:48:00 -
[30027] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
And they provide an extra basic dampener at proto level.
Not worth at all.
Propose we change that: 0-5-10 to 10-15-25 I would want active dampener 15-20-25
change cloak to no dampening and less shimmer / 50% cloak blind.
we have 2 eq slots so if you want both then use both but not both at the same time.
noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Faction
|
XxBlazikenxX
Y.A.M.A.H
353
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 03:53:00 -
[30028] - Quote
voidfaction wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
And they provide an extra basic dampener at proto level.
Not worth at all.
Propose we change that: 0-5-10 to 10-15-25 I would want active dampener 15-20-25 change cloak to no dampening and less shimmer / 50% cloak blind. we have 2 eq slots so if you want both then use both but not both at the same time.
This is.........actually good stuff.
Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H
Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
|
Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
1883
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 04:08:00 -
[30029] - Quote
All I want out of the cloak is reduced shimmer and for them to fix the damn sprint bug :( I love the cloak so much but it's just not good enough right now.
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
|
XxBlazikenxX
Y.A.M.A.H
353
|
Posted - 2015.02.27 04:11:00 -
[30030] - Quote
Pseudogenesis wrote:All I want out of the cloak is reduced shimmer and for them to fix the damn sprint bug :( I love the cloak so much but it's just not good enough right now.
True, I honestly think the cloak isn't worth it that much right now, I barely run it even on scouts now except in large open maps.
Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H
Join Y.A.M.A.H Today!
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 1300 1400 1500 1600 1700 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |