^^bro, if you read anything, anything at, you will see that i have answered you question and my statement remains unchallenged.

Seem to die from HMG's pretty damned often, regardless of what i'm using.

Any calls for a buff are well, 'self interested' to say the least. They are damned nasty and only go down when vastly outnumbered.

sounds like pubs...

jump in a competitive game where people spam contact nades... won't take many people to take down a heavy...

just 1-2...easily.

Judging a class based on pub experiences, lol...never gets old.

The issue with turn seed is that there are no mods to increase base movement speed. They should be a highslot item like the sprint boost but just for your non sprinting speed. This number effects turning rate as well. Not sure how to balance the influx of scout using them though, I'm guessing that's why they don't have it yet.

Heavies need a faster tracking speed that's all.

The heavy is indeed at a low point that even I will admit. I have found and have video proof how easy it is to tank a heavy with hmg using assault and smg.

This.

I thought about using the Assault version, but I wanted to see how the normal one worked in CQC...

After seeing how it performed, I was scared to see the Assault version in action.

Agreeing with me will never lead to me acknowledging you as a good player, good heavy, or even a good person.

But very limited range high DPS is exactly the place heavies should be in. Bring the OHSHI- factor back to the suit. The dispersion makes range almost ******** and the heat build up is a joke.
A proto HMG should do 25 dmg a shot base.

the freedom assault does have nice range but its seriously way too weak,,dont waste your time/isk fella's,,or,,simply try it out and see for yourself,,good luck lol. Try the six-kin,,rips'em in half but not as effective against other heavies using boundless UNLESS U GET THAT DOT ON THEIR HEADS. LUVIN THE SIX-KIN TBH. TRY,,HAVE FUN

exactly because a submachine gun should not have bigger bullets than a heavy machine gun

It is my opinion that the original nerf to the HMG dmg output is the echo that started the rockslide that lead to the fail avalanche that is this game's balance right now.

Looks at the smg mag and the HMG Belt, the rounds in the belt are way bigger than those tiny little rounds in that stick magazine.
Bigger rounds equal bigger damage I thought a HMG would do more damage than a smg, this "HMG"is a faster firing smg with weaker rounds and a bigger mag.

exactly my point. and all though the HMG can sustain fire longer it over heats and has an 8 sec reload (which of course would balance it , if the weapon itself didnt already suck so hard)

smg has a 2.5-3sec reload, with an 80 round clip and does way more damage per shot.


ranage is what makes the HMG better than the SMG, but its slight because the range was nerfed hard. nonetheless, a secondary should never be superior to a primary.


and no one, can reasonably say that a SMG should have more damage per shot than an HMG. the SMG is suposed to be the pocket sized version of the hmg.

I agree. The M 134 minigun uses 7.62 mm rounds. This the standard ammunition for Most assault rifles is in the 5mm caliber ! So this M 134 Minigun does more damage per bullet an AR, with 6x higher RoF.

Dust 514: Minigun (HMG) does LESS damage per bullet with about 4x RoF compared to ARs

Real life =/= Game

The power needed to force a laser through an atmosphere and have enough energy to warm up your brain cells is HUGE! laser rifle would need its own reactor.

A rail gun of the size on a tank, would have enough kinetic energy to fling ITSELF across a map. Ignoring the Forgegun lol

Balance First. Then Lore

actualy the g.e. vulcan mini gun uses a 5.56 nato or .223 with a max range effective of over 500 m after that the bullet drop become exponatial .. played with a few of those in iraq and afgahn thats why they mostly put them on doors on heli's

balance =/= making ARs better than every other specialty weapon in their feild of operation.

the amount of energy required to magentically seal and then launch plsama rounds, plasma of course being an extremely unstable element, would requiere more energy than everything you just mentioned. and certainly the range on that projectile would be limited as the plsama would almost instantly change state. dnt BS.

when we speak of balance we balance weapons in the same category against their designated purpose.

ARs are supposed to = the jack of all trades, masters of none.
a AR is supposed to be decent at mid range and close range combat but should not excel in either. its strengths are its accuracy, rate of fire. its supposed to be balanced by medium damage, reload and dispersion. its an average weapon.

shotguns, SMG = the best CQC weapon.
high damage, but limited ammo and range

HMG = the best mid range weapon.
supposed to have, high rate of fire, high damage, large magazine capacity. it supposed to be balanced by its long reload, and higher inaccuracy.

right now the AR excels in close range due to its high damage, high rate of fire, and its out ranging everything else, inaddition to accuracy, great hipfire, and fast reolad make it good at everything. period.

the last time i checked balance =/= ARs are better at everything and are better than everything.

When we balance weapons we balance them against EVERYTHING, other weapons, their effect, suits, vehicles... not just their purpose. A HMG's "purpose" is to liquidize whatever happens to be in front of it... thatGÇÖs not very balanced... however cool you might think it might be.

Yep, agains't everything and including EVERY factor, like reload time, dropsuit speed, hitbox, detectability and so on.

It isn't the case right now.

HMG is about equal to the AR when in 1 vs 1 at the HMG optimal range. But when you consider the other factor, like range, accuracy, suit speed, strafing speed, equipment, hitbox and so on, not sure where the heavy has to upper hand except for the eHP factor. So basically, agains't people going head first without evading bullets, heavys are good, for people using tactics, not that much.

I remember a few ambush where I kept fighting against Aldin Kan. First few games, he was a heavy with a boundless, he was doing ok, but I could still kill him in 50% of fight, (HMG vs HMG). Then he switched to the AR, doing crazy scores and out damaging me with is AR hipfiring+dmg mods+strafing like mad, I didn't killed him once then, even if I encountered if more than 10 times in various games. played about 8 ambush in a row, always against him.

It's really hard to balance things out when you got 90% of the player playing AR, and 50% of them aren't good at all for various reason, like coming right out of the academy, while 5% play heavies and 4% are not too bad. If they compare the KDR, heavy will be good, AR bad.