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martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
193
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Posted - 2013.06.12 18:28:00 -
[961] - Quote
I am pretty sure the HMG is like it is because people compared raw DPS between AR and the HMG, complaint about it and then everything is like it is...SMG outdamaging a HMG.
And it not only dispersion which need to be considered, it's also all the downsides from the suit which come to play, since we are forced to use it.
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D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
157
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Posted - 2013.06.12 18:32:00 -
[962] - Quote
^^this |
martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
193
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Posted - 2013.06.12 18:37:00 -
[963] - Quote
By the way, I would love to see an excel stats regarding every weapons, qty of players, by SP categories. Not sure why CCP can't show their magic numbers. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
258
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:20:00 -
[964] - Quote
There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2213
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:22:00 -
[965] - Quote
Alldin Kan wrote:There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks?
i think people can discuss whatever they want... |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2557
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:26:00 -
[966] - Quote
Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks? i think people can discuss whatever they want... You just want your thread to keep growing :P |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2213
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:28:00 -
[967] - Quote
SoTa PoP wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks? i think people can discuss whatever they want... You just want your thread to keep growing :P
actually i haven't bumped the thread once... at least not after the dev commented in it. It keeps coming back now and then lol
Should rename it to "Heavies post here!" |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
157
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:40:00 -
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it doesnt need tweaks, i needs to either be fixed or removed from the game altogether and have SP refunded, because i could really use the SP back.
i live longer and get just as many if not more kills with my scrambler pistol than i do with the HMG. i should just request another respec and leave other heavies to suffer. in my free @$$ dren suit with my dren AR and no damage mods, i crush proto heavies. if i had my skills in ARs id be unstoppable. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
157
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:41:00 -
[969] - Quote
Alldin Kan wrote:There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks?
it needs far more than a tweak |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2557
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:57:00 -
[970] - Quote
D legendary hero wrote:it doesnt need tweaks, i needs to either be fixed or removed from the game altogether and have SP refunded, because i could really use the SP back.
i live longer and get just as many if not more kills with my scrambler pistol than i do with the HMG. i should just request another respec and leave other heavies to suffer. in my free @$$ dren suit with my dren AR and no damage mods, i crush proto heavies. if i had my skills in ARs id be unstoppable. You're a pub heavy - come back when you're on me or Lance's level. |
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oso tiburon
The Generals EoN.
24
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Posted - 2013.06.12 22:02:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:D legendary hero wrote:it doesnt need tweaks, i needs to either be fixed or removed from the game altogether and have SP refunded, because i could really use the SP back.
i live longer and get just as many if not more kills with my scrambler pistol than i do with the HMG. i should just request another respec and leave other heavies to suffer. in my free @$$ dren suit with my dren AR and no damage mods, i crush proto heavies. if i had my skills in ARs id be unstoppable. You're a pub heavy - come back when you're on me or Lance's level. pub matched i dont even bother to pull out an ak0 and i still hold avg of 5 kdr unless its an open map pc i get about 10 to 15 kill im mostly on gaurd duty though so i dont get to roam around like a pub stomp but any heavy that would willingly go into a oms or straight out ambush ... not a very bright man
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D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
158
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Posted - 2013.06.12 22:14:00 -
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look. anyone who knows me, knows that in any match type i can use a heavy and go 20+k and 4-d. I am a professional heavy. but, for the aforementioned reasons, the suit and the weapon pail in comparison to the very thing HMGs are supposed to be a better version of, ARs.
just last match i got 32-2 so, maybe you need to step it up, because i can do all that without a logi. in fact just last week i got an orbital by myself. but at the same time if their are abunch of proto thugs running around with proto ARs their is nothing you can do they out range and dps you and they have the mobility advantage.
so, when i say that i do beter with the AR that means, i am doing exceedingly well. most people using ARs have no skill. i have killed proto shield tanking logis with my 'dren' AR because the were just standing still and shooting without moving around, strafing.
that means that they just rely on their suits and high powered guns to get skills. dnt give me that BS. oso tiburon dudo que tu usas el traje pesado pues, tu hablas omo si fuera uno de los usadores de la ametralladora de asulto.
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Arcturis Vanguard
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
35
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:13:00 -
[973] - Quote
No need for the other languages, as this is the English forum. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2026
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Posted - 2013.06.13 01:42:00 -
[974] - Quote
SoTa PoP wrote:D legendary hero wrote:it doesnt need tweaks, i needs to either be fixed or removed from the game altogether and have SP refunded, because i could really use the SP back.
i live longer and get just as many if not more kills with my scrambler pistol than i do with the HMG. i should just request another respec and leave other heavies to suffer. in my free @$$ dren suit with my dren AR and no damage mods, i crush proto heavies. if i had my skills in ARs id be unstoppable. You're a pub heavy - come back when you're on me or Lance's level.
You are using HMG now, |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
158
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Posted - 2013.06.13 03:25:00 -
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yeah all my points are in heavy suits. but the dren stuff is different. the HMG needs some fixes. when i speak off buffs im taking about slight buffs, that a heavy would notice immediately but most players wouldnt really notice (they die alittle more but would probably dismiss it as something else).
a slight range buff, a slight damage buff, a slight movement and turn speed buff, thats all im asking. do i want the HMg to be the i win button everyone thinks it is? NO. do i want the heavy suit to be the unstoppable juggernaut everyone is afraid of? NO.
i want a useful weapon not a a fully automatic water balloon cannon. i want a suit that is balanced for its purpose, not a pair of pajamas with pillows in it. is that too much to ask? |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2026
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Posted - 2013.06.13 04:47:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:yeah all my points are in heavy suits. but the dren stuff is different. the HMG needs some fixes. when i speak off buffs im taking about slight buffs, that a heavy would notice immediately but most players wouldnt really notice (they die alittle more but would probably dismiss it as something else).
a slight range buff, a slight damage buff, a slight movement and turn speed buff, thats all im asking. do i want the HMg to be the i win button everyone thinks it is? NO. do i want the heavy suit to be the unstoppable juggernaut everyone is afraid of? NO.
i want a useful weapon not a a fully automatic water balloon cannon. i want a suit that is balanced for its purpose, not a pair of pajamas with pillows in it. is that too much to ask? Agreed, |
bobtbob
Bojo's School of the Trades
7
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Posted - 2013.06.13 07:00:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks? i think people can discuss whatever they want... You just want your thread to keep growing :P actually i haven't bumped the thread once... at least not after the dev commented in it. It keeps coming back now and then lol Should rename it to "Heavies post here!"
As you've just said, this appears to be the place to ask about the HMG...
I've started messing around with some MLT Hvy HMG in Ambush and OMS, at least until they release the remaining suits. Mostly using the Asslt version for that bit more range (not killing many people, but I am racking up the Assists)
I understand there's a "spin up" time on the HMG when dispersion is higher. Do any of you more experienced Hvys have numbers or a feeling of how long this actually takes? I'm trying to get out of the habit of bursting weapons to keep the dispersion/spread down so it's a bit counterintuitive. Just wondering if I shouldn't be firing less than a second (for example), if I want to actually get some "accurate" fire. |
D legendary hero
Strong-Arm
160
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Posted - 2013.06.13 08:46:00 -
[978] - Quote
Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks? i think people can discuss whatever they want... You just want your thread to keep growing :P actually i haven't bumped the thread once... at least not after the dev commented in it. It keeps coming back now and then lol Should rename it to "Heavies post here!"
hey dude i just played your squad in a match a few minutes ago, you guys are pretty good. the map was abit laggy though i probably should have reset. why was everyone running so much proto gear in pub matches? i still did good with my heavy but it still desparately needs a fix. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
202
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Posted - 2013.06.13 09:15:00 -
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bobtbob wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks? i think people can discuss whatever they want... You just want your thread to keep growing :P actually i haven't bumped the thread once... at least not after the dev commented in it. It keeps coming back now and then lol Should rename it to "Heavies post here!" As you've just said, this appears to be the place to ask about the HMG... I've started messing around with some MLT Hvy HMG in Ambush and OMS, at least until they release the remaining suits. Mostly using the Asslt version for that bit more range (not killing many people, but I am racking up the Assists) I understand there's a "spin up" time on the HMG when dispersion is higher. Do any of you more experienced Hvys have numbers or a feeling of how long this actually takes? I'm trying to get out of the habit of bursting weapons to keep the dispersion/spread down so it's a bit counterintuitive. Just wondering if I shouldn't be firing less than a second (for example), if I want to actually get some "accurate" fire.
I find it takes about 1/4 "clip" before I'm fully spooled. Once I reach this point I usually "burst fire" to keep accuracy optimal and keep heat build up and kick down. The only time I hold the trigger full on is when there are 4 or more tangos grouped tightly. |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
257
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Posted - 2013.06.13 10:29:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks?
Aldin, your opinion is invalid.
In fact, it's never been valid.
Never.
Ever. |
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
568
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Posted - 2013.06.13 11:44:00 -
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Every one that comes in here says that they can do well with a HMG... and then says its broken... I can do pretty well in a match, HMG are fine. Use it to its advantages, and as we all well know, it can rake in the kills.
The only thing i would like to see with a HMG is a little more range, and CCP have said that they're removing the hard cap on bullet range. Im waiting until that comes in to make an opinion.
Also if we take the poor sentinal as a basis, the racial suits are going to have bonuses to their racial weapons... that means the minmitar heavy might specialise the HMG to some degree. |
martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
200
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:11:00 -
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks? Aldin, your opinion is invalid. In fact, it's never been valid. Never. Ever.
Even more when you see him switch to a TAR assault from a proto heavy when things go bad. |
D legendary hero
Strong-Arm
163
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Posted - 2013.06.14 05:48:00 -
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^^and thats why i say the HMG needs a buff. if the HMG does AR damage, but with 5% less range than an AR, keeping all current factors the same. i think the weapon will get balanced out.
so,
-same damage per lvl as full auto ARs (std, adv, proto) -5% less range than a full Auto AR -all other factors stay the same.
these combined will balance out the heavy weapon. the suit is another story but this for the weapoon will make it worth specing over 2.5 million SP into. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2243
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Posted - 2013.06.14 05:57:00 -
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martinofski wrote:Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:There's people still discussing something that no longer needs tweaks? Aldin, your opinion is invalid. In fact, it's never been valid. Never. Ever. Even more when you see him switch to a TAR assault from a proto heavy when things go bad.
lol |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1647
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Posted - 2013.06.14 06:01:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:^^and thats why i say the HMG needs a buff. if the HMG does AR damage, but with 5% less range than an AR, keeping all current factors the same. i think the weapon will get balanced out.
so,
-same damage per lvl as full auto ARs (std, adv, proto) -5% less range than a full Auto AR -all other factors stay the same.
these combined will balance out the heavy weapon. the suit is another story but this for the weapoon will make it worth specing over 2.5 million SP into. Yeah, the suit is fine, it's the weapon that needs work. Without other heavy weapons for the HMG to be balanced amongst its class with, it winds up getting watered down to the standards of light weapons because it's the only anti-infantry heavy weapon. |
D legendary hero
Strong-Arm
163
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Posted - 2013.06.14 06:51:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:D legendary hero wrote:^^and thats why i say the HMG needs a buff. if the HMG does AR damage, but with 5% less range than an AR, keeping all current factors the same. i think the weapon will get balanced out.
so,
-same damage per lvl as full auto ARs (std, adv, proto) -5% less range than a full Auto AR -all other factors stay the same.
these combined will balance out the heavy weapon. the suit is another story but this for the weapoon will make it worth specing over 2.5 million SP into. Yeah, the suit is fine, it's the weapon that needs work. Without other heavy weapons for the HMG to be balanced amongst its class with, it winds up getting watered down to the standards of light weapons because it's the only anti-infantry heavy weapon.
the suit could use a slight buff too, i have that in a separate post.
but as far as the weapon itself is concerned, it'll better be able to accomplish its purpose if they buff the way i recommended.
quite frankly it does'nt need other heavy weapons to balance against it, as long as its purpose is clear. its supposed to be an anti-infantry, suppressive weapon.
if it has the same damage as an AR with 5-10% less range than a full Auto AR does right now it will be able to do its job very well.
alot of people cried OP in the past because they like to stand still and shoot and charge directly into gun fire, but the HMGs purpose sis to supprese advancing troops, or help its squad to advance by suppressing the enemy. as a result noobs who just ran directly at the HMG died in the old build, no people can still charge an HMG and win out or do massive damage, making the HMG lose its purpose.
CCP buff the range and damage as i have recommended and the weapon will need no further fixing. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1655
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Posted - 2013.06.14 07:12:00 -
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Fix the weapon before so it's on par with the suit and you might not need the suit buffed. Just like you said, the HMG is meant to run crowd control and right now, it's not doing its job. A bit more range and an increased ROF at advanced and prototype might do the trick. |
D legendary hero
Strong-Arm
163
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Posted - 2013.06.14 07:15:00 -
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RoF is fine, i dnt wanna burn through my 425 too fast as it is real easy to miss with this HMG but more damage per shot is very important as the dispersion kills the DPS. 18hp is way too low for this guns role, it needs to be at least 20+ std. ideally 30+ is the way to go. that way it can do its job, anyone dumb enough to run into the stream of bullets should die. |
KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
103
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:49:00 -
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because this thread is too long to die |
D legendary hero
Strong-Arm
234
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Posted - 2013.06.28 02:42:00 -
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bump |
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