Its another problem that negatively effects the heavy, true "logi's" are having a very hard time at the moment. Needles are very hit and miss, and rep tools stop giving rewards pretty quickly. Fix those and we may see more logi's and they might be willing to follow us around more

On a side note, try squading up with other heavies... its hilarious hitting up 5 other heavies and rolling together

a CQC weapon with a slow turn speed... yea that's logical

I shouldn't have to rely on my team to KILL someone in my domain, CQC. Sorry, that makes no sense.

??? A shotgun, or Nova knive is CQC. A HMG is short to Med range... and it is VERY good at those ranges. Its a factor of balancing it against everything else

are you honestly saying the HMG is NOT cqc? not sure if serious

The range makes this gun a CQC and a very short medium range weapon. Balancing? You're making less sense in your argument!

??? A shotgun, or Nova knive is CQC. A HMG is short to Med range... and it is VERY good at those ranges. Its a factor of balancing it against everything else.



A pure 6 man Proto Heavy squad is a beautiful thing. Mix in some FG's and your golden

How to fix heavies:
Little more range on HMG, 5+ even would up my KDR which has been steadily rising as of late past 4 (Pathetic I know)
Increase turn speed for "Doom" mode for HMG.
Increase turn speed for normal aiming for HMG.
Racial place holders - even just the basic frame. Amaar - I love you - but you blow.

Anything more and we'll be called OP again.

I'm not exactly sure how some of you heavies are dropping so quickly. The only way it's possible is if majority of shots land on you - which means you weren't using cover, your map, or your team.

Our survive ability would go up if we didn't need to get in close to kill. It's pretty ******** that we move so slow with this much HP trying to get into optimal. It's a very boring process and often a waiting game for the good heavies who know better then to rush.

I just... want some range... :(

under normal circumstances i admit the heavy is 'manageable' right now, in pub matches.
if you are talking about PC battles (Currently) Proto or not, with the lag experiences in PC battles, this is just a swelled up Red Dot ready for the popping!

i got my ass handed to me yesterday, sentinel suit n all, in a couple PC battles. i was a noob to PC admittedly, but i think my main problem was the lag issue. had i not had to deal with that, in addition to the existing turning mechanics, i think my stats would have been better. however considering the above, they were downright awful!

so, unless you have a decent connection to the server id say stay away from PC if u r a Heavy. (unless you figure a way to decrease gravity in Eve/ or you are a bunny hop king)

I agree, we need a TINY (and I mean tiniest) increase in turn speed.
Obviously we need the other racial variants.
I think HMG will be fine once CCP changes the weapon range system from a HARD cap to a soft/tiered cap like BF3. They'll be able to keep HMG maximally effective in close/mid range, and minimally effective in the longer ranges.
(although we'll be able to actually do 1 or 2 dmg per round to finish off that guy that tends to get away now with a sliver of health)

agreed hard cap gone slight turn speed buff ... golden

i have not seen any difference in pc outside of i last a little longer , i use a min 7 hmg and a ak0 so far im around 20 and 2 avg

is this with/ without the lag issue?

as stated, i had issues with lag, when i tried PC. i usually have a decent (ie. positive) K/D ration when playing Pub matches, i just found that the usual handicaps were exacerbated by the lag in PC. if you dont have the Lag problem i suspect the game should run as usual, and u'd get the usual results.

a CQC weapon with a slow turn speed... yea that's logical

I shouldn't have to rely on my team to KILL someone in my domain, CQC. Sorry, that makes no sense.

are you honestly saying the HMG is NOT cqc? not sure if serious

The range makes this gun a CQC and a very short medium range weapon. Balancing? You're making less sense in your argument!

Me? Ask you to teach me how to play Heavy?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm sorry when I want to go back to the toddler class for Fatsuits I'll ask you for a how-to manual.

Unfortunately I'll correct it with red crayon before continuing on.

And medium suits with the same EHP as my fatsuit? Only in their sweetest, most orgasmic dreams. I don't run heavy with less than 1100 HP. Ever.

Your sad man.
This has gone from a genuine thread to a vendetta between you and another, **** off somewhere else and argue! We got a problem that needs fixin

Well there's your problem right there guy.

I have about 5.5 mil in my heavy. While I can run proto guns I choose not to. I haven't even specced into suits at all! I run in the MLT. (mostly because I do not want amarr which is another topic altogether.)

You have the flashy suit, and the fancy gun, you see, but you have no backbone to hold it all up!

Invest SP into shield upgrades and armor upgrades. lvl 5 for both those skills takes about 1.3 mil.

Then get some complex reppers/armor plates.

Then mabey a complex damage mod or shield extender.

Get your HMG proficiency skill to lvl 5. then start rounding it out with rapid reload.

You cannot depend on the suit bro.

I currently run MLT suit with Standard HMG, Comp. repper and Comp. Damage Mod.

I consistently get a 3 KDR in FW with something like 21 HMG kills. I have gotten 28 kills without an Orbital Strike. This in an MLT Suit with like 850 total HP and only 1 High slot/1 Low slot.

I do agree that the turn speed needs to be tweaked up just a bit though.

i see what you mean. but i only have advanced lvl heavy suits. i have lvl 5 HMG proficiency, and lvl5 damage mods. i have points into shields and armor as well. i worked on my core. but the heavy weapons altogether eat up alot of SP, for very poor retunrs. with my std AR i can do much more. and since i can carry equipment im more useful to my team placing drop uplinks everywhere.

idk, maybe CCP should just get rid of heavies, i mean my std AR has better dps than an HMG, and i pwn pretty much any heavy i face 1v1. and i have no points in light weaponry at all...lol


P.S. for the others that said i provided no evidence. i have been spewing out facts left and right with statistics and first hand accounts that are easily verifible. just because you want to ignore the facts doesnt mean they arent there. if your only evidence is sarcasm then you can have, you win. because i sonly speak with people who are willing to accept fact. @ breakin stuff

anyways, im done with this thread. sorry if i ruined it for everyone. peace out

Yeah... right now only the Amarr heavy frame model is complete. In Uprising we've started pushing all the suits more into specific race profiles, but of course when you're missing 75% of the other frame options you're bound to have some balance holes. The Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente heavy frames are coming, but not as soon as we'd all like.

To that point though, how would you guys like us to approach that? Would you want Type-IIs and more sidegrade variants to tide you over until the other suits come online? (Even knowing that we'll probably retire them once the others arrive?)

I agree, we need a TINY (and I mean tiniest) increase in turn speed.
Obviously we need the other racial variants.
I think HMG will be fine once CCP changes the weapon range system from a HARD cap to a soft/tiered cap like BF3. They'll be able to keep HMG maximally effective in close/mid range, and minimally effective in the longer ranges.
(although we'll be able to actually do 1 or 2 dmg per round to finish off that guy that tends to get away now with a sliver of health)

imo what they need to do is not buff heavy or HMG. They should nerf (yes nerf - thats the only balancing tool that does not run the risk of balance inflation) assault and especially logi HP - logi HP should not be able to match Heavy HP which it currently can. This will make those suits more killable by HMG. If you increase turn speed or make Heavies buffer you would totally screw scouts over. As is whatever meager existance that scouts have in the game is in large part owed to scouts being able to sneak up on heavies, since both logi and assault outright own scouts no matter what. If you make heavies buffer - yes you would make them better againts assault and logi but that would mean that scouts will have nothing to do in the game period.

laughably limited range with 30 - 40% higher damage, 2x the heat build-up.

Seem to die from HMG's pretty damned often, regardless of what i'm using.

Any calls for a buff are well, 'self interested' to say the least. They are damned nasty and only go down when vastly outnumbered.

imo what they need to do is not buff heavy or HMG. They should nerf (yes nerf - thats the only balancing tool that does not run the risk of balance inflation) assault and especially logi HP - logi HP should not be able to match Heavy HP which it currently can. This will make those suits more killable by HMG. If you increase turn speed or make Heavies buffer you would totally screw scouts over. As is whatever meager existance that scouts have in the game is in large part owed to scouts being able to sneak up on heavies, since both logi and assault outright own scouts no matter what. If you make heavies buffer - yes you would make them better againts assault and logi but that would mean that scouts will have nothing to do in the game period.

heavies have nothing to do in the game, right now except get raped or gang raped by everyone else

^^this is what im talking about.

well, although CCP doesn't always respond. they read most of the threads. so, i'm hoping they make a good judgement call. removing the hard range cap will fix alot of things.

a speed buff, and turning speed buff, will fix it more.

if they do impliment the armor plats that self heal that will do heavies some good. (i use armor repers as a heavy and can survive pretty well without a logi.)

im just saying anyone who puts 5million SP into a suit, weapon, gear and mods should have no problem keeping up with ppl in militia gear, im just saying. people with free dragon fly scout suits and free toxin SMGs just completely own my heavy. but when i run AR i win periond....lol

and is 30% resistance to small arms really alot? will that really make a heavy OP? they nerfed the TACs and they still own heavies at all ranges, especially close range. the TAcs are not as effective against faster armor but heavy suits are still easy targets.

Honestly. use logic and explain to me why this is always the case. i am a reasonable man. but i need facts.

(please dnt talk about using cover with a heavy. your not fast enough to peek out cover, and fire. your not accurate enoguh with an HMG to shoot over cover, and everyone else who weakens you can simply vault/jump over your cover and finish you off. cover + heavy doesnt work very well. in very specific situations i can use cover to great effect but for the most part, you have to have some decent movement speed to utilize cover.)