suppression heavy weapon

holy wall of text batman, it's still alive?!?!

You guys don't want to see my HMG

It still lack range I guess ?

Because it will be the last thing you see,

Thank thank

-heavies need base 30% resistance to small arms and explosives
-heavies need bass 500 shield and 500 armor
-heavies need at least 2 high power and lower power slots to begin with
-heavies need 15% increase to running speed, and 10% to turning speed
-HMG needs increase to range and accuracy after initial spooling


doing this will make the heavy a more versitile drop suit and lead to a more dynmic and fun game play. where players will need to think tacticaly and use skill. where goods are balanced with bads. in this way the heavy can actually participate in combat instead of just hoping enemies will come to him without sneaking up on him (CCP did a great job with the objectives having multiple access points. :) these are only slight buffs so scouts and assaults can still circle you and kill you. but they have to do so skillfully.

if you can't defend yourself how are you going to protect anyone else? logi's, scouts, assualts can all do it. its the heavies turn for a buff.

in short, area denial, squad defense, frontline support, and being a general contribution to the team will make the heavy playable. because really who has 6-7million sp to blow on a class that can only be used every few games. who has 100,000 isk to spend on proto gear and proto suits that arent any better than the militia gear. CCP we need these changes. help a brotha out!

If they do this I may stay heavy

Yeah, and every scrub in the game will go heavy too (not trying to say you are a scrub). The game will go from AR514 to HeavyScrubPackingAGLU/DTAR514. Heavies should be deathspitting bollards of Doom, not bulky Assault suits.

You just did, Because the Tact AR kills my heavy so fast and I have 647 in shield 506 in armor.
that is why I'm thinking of going AR

Not my fault that CCP is waiting for everyone to respec into DTARs before they beat them into the ICU with the nerf bat.

Heavies are Heavies, not bulky Assaults. They need to be buffed to reflect this, this would include a nerf to movement speed and a buff to Raw HP, resists and turning speed (IMHO).

Yeah, and every scrub in the game will go heavy too (not trying to say you are a scrub). The game will go from AR514 to HeavyScrubPackingAGLU/DTAR514. Heavies should be deathspitting bollards of Doom, not bulky Assault suits.

@Warlord

I am guessing that you haven't noticed me refer to Heavies as "semi-mobile bollards". I really think CCP needs to look at making them react to LAV impacts the same way that bollards react to vehicle impacts.

I.E. If the driver is stupid enough to collide with a heavy, he deserves to be stopped dead in his tracks and take significant damage (if not blow up outright).

@Warlord

I am guessing that you haven't noticed me refer to Heavies as "semi-mobile bollards". I really think CCP needs to look at making them react to LAV impacts the same way that bollards react to vehicle impacts.

I.E. If the driver is stupid enough to collide with a heavy, he deserves to be stopped dead in his tracks and take significant damage (if not blow up outright).

yeah, and every scrub in the game will go heavy too (not trying to say you are a scrub). The game will go from AR514 to HeavyScrubPackingAGLU/DTAR514. Heavies should be deathspitting bollards of Doom, not bulky Assault suits.

[quote=Alaika Arbosa][quote=XxWarlordxX97][quote=D legendary hero]-heavies need base 30% resistance to small arms and explosives
-heavies need bass 500 shield and 500 armor
-heavies need at least 2 high power and lower power slots to begin with
-heavies need 15% increase to running speed, and 10% to turning speed
-HMG needs increase to range and accuracy after initial spooling

YES TO ALL OF THESE PLEASE

Played literally a couple matches, but got enough kills and deaths to figure out it's "role".

Basically 1-10m you're main enemy is the shotgun. The HMG is effective in this range, and with concentrated fire, you'll get the kill. I faced Militia Assault all the way up to Proto Suits. Up close the proto assault poses a clear threat, but in most cases a good player would either run away, or kill you.

Shotgun? Allot trickier. Because of the optimal range on the HMG, which the numbers might say is 15m, it feels more like 10m, by the time the shotgun gets in HIS range, it might be too late to take him out. Especially if he's shield tanking.

MD's? Clear winner against HMG's. You can't get close enough, fast enough is basically the problem. The range on the HMG doesn't allow for keeping people's heads down.

Past 10m going into 15m is where things get hazy. At this range it takes ALLOT of bullets to take down Adv suits, even suits that have taken damage. Not because of damage, well tbh a little, but the BULLET SPREAD. Nerfing the range, but not buffing the horrible bullet spread makes it a tripple nerf imo. Dmg, range, and not touching the bullet spread.

15m-20m range, it's more like farting against thunder at this point. If you wanna feel like you're doing something or if someone is really weak, yeah. Spray in the direction and hope you get and assist or better yet a kill.

Now being a heavy myself, i try to be as objective as possible. I'm aware we got a buff in HP, and tbh, it's needed with the amount of bullets required to kill. We go down just as easy with team fire as we did before.. Nothing changed there. I'm also aware we got our prices reduced, but one can argue every class got their prices reduced.

Does the price drop make a difference? My Adv set up is 60k+ ISK. Adv suit + Adv HMG. + complex extenders. If you die more than 3 times, which is VERY LIKELY, your profit margin is slim to none. You can try running cheaper fits, but that means your killing efficiency and your chances of staying alive longer drops. It's looking like a high risk, low reward atm.

ONLY way to make your heavy set up profitable, is to have a Logi player tied around your neck.

Personally, I would like to see a buff in either range, dmg, or bullet spread. The effect of these things put together makes the HMG feels like a toy gun.

People always bring up the argument that HMG are suppose to be used as a supportive role. Well, how can we support with no range? How can we help with low dmg, and how can we keep people's head down with a bullet spread as bad as it is now?

As always, opinions, and arguments for / against are welcomed. Keep the trolling to a minimum please.


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YES TO ALL OF THESE PLEASE

[quote=Alaika Arbosa][quote=XxWarlordxX97][quote=D legendary hero]-heavies need base 30% resistance to small arms and explosives
-heavies need bass 500 shield and 500 armor
-heavies need at least 2 high power and lower power slots to begin with
-heavies need 15% increase to running speed, and 10% to turning speed
-HMG needs increase to range and accuracy after initial spooling


doing this will make the heavy a more versitile drop suit and lead to a more dynmic and fun game play. where players will need to think tacticaly and use skill. where goods are balanced with bads. in this way the heavy can actually participate in combat instead of just hoping enemies will come to him without sneaking up on him (CCP did a great job with the objectives having multiple access points. :) these are only slight buffs so scouts and assaults can still circle you and kill you. but they have to do so skillfully.

if you can't defend yourself how are you going to protect anyone else? logi's, scouts, assualts can all do it. its the heavies turn for a buff.

in short, area denial, squad defense, frontline support, and being a general contribution to the team will make the heavy playable. because really who has 6-7million sp to blow on a class that can only be used every few games. who has 100,000 isk to spend on proto gear and proto suits that arent any better than the militia gear. CCP we need these changes. help a brotha out!



whell that wont happen because need to spec almost 5million sp into being heavy and even with the mitlita fit and the 30% one clip from an AR can still kill you. so, yeah if they want to be ARfops, then they might as welll keep the assualt suits

Now, please keep in mind that I am not talking about Heavies as they currently are. If they have their movement speed nerfed, their Raw HP buffed, get variable Armor/Shield Small Arms Fire resists dependant on Racial Variant and get their turning speed increased by roughly double; then they should behave the same as bollards for LAVs/Derpships (the more lightly armored of the vehicles).

I really think that Heavies should be the segue between dropsuits and MTACs and I think that the best way to represent this is detailed above.

Also, HMG should have its damage buffed, though keep its optimal between 10-15m. If you're infantry and you get within that range and you aren't a Heavy, you should be dead before you hear the HMG spinning up.

Keep it up, maybe CCP will FINALLY realize that the heavy really is UP vs medium suits. CCP could just remove some of the high and low slots of the medium suits. That would might fix the whole problem. Give medium suit a max of 5 high and low medium slots per top tier suit. That might at least make the heavy as weak as in Chromosome when heavies weren't great but definitely not as bad as now. Then again, we had an HMG with good enough range to shoot someone from 20m out as well.