DUST Search - Sticky:[Feedback] eHP and Speed

Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

In either case, your argument has -absolutely nothing to do- with Assault speed

GA Assaults are 6% slower than MN Assaults. They're only slightly slower than your "problem child" unit. Remove the problem child MN Assault, and I believe that GA Assault will take its place.

6% speed, infinitely better stamina (larger pool AND extremely fast regen), hidden 5% hacking modifier, they all add up.
You also forget that the 6% difference grows when both put a kin cat on due to math. And one can use that speed better than the other because stamina.

If you think the 6% extra speed is:
A. Small
B. The only thing giving Min advantages

You're just plain wrong.

I'm not going to enter this argument beyond this, but this is just dumb.

If 6% speed isn't the only thing giving minmitar assaults an "advantage" over Gallente, then what is? Is it the lower HP values? Perhaps the lower repair rates? Or could it be the inherent QQGALLENTEQQ that seems to have imbedded itself inside of every Gallente drop suit?

"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom


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Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.27 08:45:00 - [1] - Quote While you're at it, mind fixing the Gallente speed being the same as Caldari? Gallente are supposed to be very fast for short bursts of speed (MWD eating capacitor). We could simulate that by giving Gallente similar speed to Minmatar, but very bad stamina. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.27 09:06:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: While you're at it, mind fixing the Gallente speed being the same as Caldari? Gallente are supposed to be very fast for short bursts of speed (MWD eating capacitor). We could simulate that by giving Gallente similar sprint speed to Minmatar, but very bad stamina. Would help the Duvolle too, in the whole "get close and rekt" part. Which speeds aren't aligned? I didn't notice, they are always supposed to be the same as CA. No, I'm talking EVE. Gallente are second fastest after Minmatar, Caldari are slowest until Amarr plate up. Gallente use Micro Warp Drives to close the distance and apply massive shredding from their Blasters. (Ga Ass charging with a Duvolle or Shotgun) Micro Warp Drives eats capacitor like crazy, and as such has to be used in bursts, not always on. A simulation of that in DUST would be like giving Gallente same or better sprint speed than Minmatar, but nerfing the stamina so it can only be used in short bursts. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.27 09:17:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: A simulation of that in DUST would be like giving Gallente same or better sprint speed than Minmatar, but nerfing the stamina so it can only be used in short bursts. Logged on the Big Board \o/ "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.27 09:25:00 - [4] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: A simulation of that in DUST would be like giving Gallente same or better sprint speed than Minmatar, but nerfing the stamina so it can only be used in short bursts. Logged on the Big Board I see what Cat's thinking... A cardiac reg is so much easier on the fitting than a kincat... ;) Yeah, no. I would still fit a Kin Cat to maximize my viable speed. The Duvolle feeds on speed, the faster you are, the more effective you can be with that thing. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.27 09:30:00 - [5] - Quote Doc DDD wrote: Go figure, Rattati quick to buff armor suits when one person asks... 8 threads on boards regarding caldari shields being garbage and not a single reply. Make sure Caldari has absolutely no choice but to sit behind a rock in the redline, both infantry and HAV. Why not give madrugars a built in nitro booster because 'EVE' and who cares about balance? How about remove all the stacking penalties from caldari shields, drastically increase damage threshold, and make the suits run faster, you know, since they need to run back to the redline as soon as they are spotted now that gallente have been green lit for turbo. ...What? Did you notice the other part? Nerf stamina? I want Gallente to be what they are supposed to be, quick sprinters, terrible long distance runners. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:35:00 - [6] - Quote Hey Rattati, I would like something clarified. Is this movement speeds only, or are sprint speeds affected too? "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.27 18:44:00 - [7] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Hey Rattati, I would like something clarified. Is this movement speeds only, or are sprint speeds affected too? CCP Rattati wrote: Booby Tuesdays wrote: The Min Logi getting its first ever buff? Logi suits and Commando suits, my two primary play styles, are getting a buff? I never thought I would see the day!!! Is the Logi speed buff for movement speed only, or sprint speed as well? Will Logis move faster, but Assaults sprint faster? The Slayer Logi QQ is expected, but you are seriously nerfing yourself by trying to make a Logi perform an Assaults role... I am not worried about killer bees. sprint and strafe speeds are just multipliers off of movement speed, so all go up. He confirmed movement, strafe, and sprint when responding to my post. I see. Thanks for letting me know. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 04:48:00 - [8] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: In either case, your argument has -absolutely nothing to do- with Assault speed GA Assaults are 6% slower than MN Assaults. They're only slightly slower than your "problem child" unit. Remove the problem child MN Assault, and I believe that GA Assault will take its place. 6% speed, infinitely better stamina (larger pool AND extremely fast regen), hidden 5% hacking modifier, they all add up. You also forget that the 6% difference grows when both put a kin cat on due to math. And one can use that speed better than the other because stamina. If you think the 6% extra speed is: A. Small B. The only thing giving Min advantages You're just plain wrong. I'm not going to enter this argument beyond this, but this is just dumb. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 04:52:00 - [9] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: HP is the problem here, and I can personally promise that. You see, before the HP buff scouts were being the problem. Do you really believe removing an HP buff that was given due to Assaults being underpowered won't swing the balance in the direction of scouts too hard? Considering we've seen what happens without that HP buff? "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 04:55:00 - [10] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: In either case, your argument has -absolutely nothing to do- with Assault speed GA Assaults are 6% slower than MN Assaults. They're only slightly slower than your "problem child" unit. Remove the problem child MN Assault, and I believe that GA Assault will take its place. 6% speed, infinitely better stamina (larger pool AND extremely fast regen), hidden 5% hacking modifier, they all add up. You also forget that the 6% difference grows when both put a kin cat on due to math. And one can use that speed better than the other because stamina. If you think the 6% extra speed is: A. Small B. The only thing giving Min advantages You're just plain wrong. I'm not going to enter this argument beyond this, but this is just dumb. 9.73 m/s - MN Assault + 2 KinCats 9.18 m/s - GA Assault + 2 KinCats Difference: 5.99% (because maths) And what sort of HP/regen do you expect out of an Assault using two kin cats? Try one Kin Cat, more than that and you're not the most efficient Gal Assault. I'm speaking from experience. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 04:57:00 - [11] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: In either case, your argument has -absolutely nothing to do- with Assault speed GA Assaults are 6% slower than MN Assaults. They're only slightly slower than your "problem child" unit. Remove the problem child MN Assault, and I believe that GA Assault will take its place. 6% speed, infinitely better stamina (larger pool AND extremely fast regen), hidden 5% hacking modifier, they all add up. You also forget that the 6% difference grows when both put a kin cat on due to math. And one can use that speed better than the other because stamina. If you think the 6% extra speed is: A. Small B. The only thing giving Min advantages You're just plain wrong. I'm not going to enter this argument beyond this, but this is just dumb. 9.73 m/s - MN Assault + 2 KinCats 9.18 m/s - GA Assault + 2 KinCats Difference: 5.99% (because maths) A % increase doesn't change the relative % increase regardless of the base you're starting with...LOLMATH. Huh... Whelp, that's why I shouldn't think 10 minutes after waking up. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 04:59:00 - [12] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You also forget that the 6% difference grows when both put a kin cat on due to math. 5.30 m/s - MN Assault base movement 5.00 m/s - GA Assault base movement Difference: 6% 9.73 m/s - MN Assault + 2 KinCats 9.18 m/s - GA Assault + 2 KinCats Difference: 6% (because maths) Yes, I was wrong there, I'm not the best thinker 10 minutes after waking up. Doesn't change how that's still 6% extra speed, which I don't know how much scouts value it but for an Assault that's quite the big advantage, and you can use that speed almost constantly due to stamina regen being off the charts. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 05:02:00 - [13] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: In either case, your argument has -absolutely nothing to do- with Assault speed GA Assaults are 6% slower than MN Assaults. They're only slightly slower than your "problem child" unit. Remove the problem child MN Assault, and I believe that GA Assault will take its place. 6% speed, infinitely better stamina (larger pool AND extremely fast regen), hidden 5% hacking modifier, they all add up. You also forget that the 6% difference grows when both put a kin cat on due to math. And one can use that speed better than the other because stamina. If you think the 6% extra speed is: A. Small B. The only thing giving Min advantages You're just plain wrong. I'm not going to enter this argument beyond this, but this is just dumb. If 6% speed isn't the only thing giving minmitar assaults an "advantage" over Gallente, then what is? Is it the lower HP values? Perhaps the lower repair rates? Or could it be the inherent QQGALLENTEQQ that seems to have imbedded itself inside of every Gallente drop suit? Or maybe it's how 6% strafe speed > The HP you get from half a complex extender? Because yes that's the HP difference between a Gal Ass and Min Ass. And there's no way to increase strafe speed? "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 05:04:00 - [14] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: And here's how much I over-estimate cloaking devices. lel "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 05:07:00 - [15] - Quote What we think we're all doing What we're actually doing "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 05:09:00 - [16] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: And here's how much I over-estimate cloaking devices. Aeon Amadi used cloak! its super effective! Cat Merc uses strafe! Its super effective! Critical Hit. Aeon Amadi has fainted. Psssht, the Ion Pistol was totally the best part. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 05:15:00 - [17] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: 6% strafe speed is a fair amount, but at a certain point it doesn't matter. This is one of those instances. Strafing is more about technique than speed. Speed is useful to a certain point, but really it comes down to skill of your opponent at hitting you, and your skill at avoiding it. You could give people like Regnyum or myself or others a heavy suits, and we could out strafe most players. You could give a blueberry a minmitar assault with the strafe speed of speedy gonzales and he'd get killed just the same. Also, sorry if I am rather incoherent, it is currently 1:00 AM where I live. You're perfectly coherent, no need to worry about that And while it's true strafe speed is more about technique, you can't honestly say a heavy strafes just as well as a medium frame. The 6% extra strafe speed is enough to make the difference, and is certainly far more valuable than extra 30HP. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 05:16:00 - [18] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Can I add you as a contact so I can see your stats? His player name is a secret. If you find it, you get banned. Rattati said so himself :P "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 05:17:00 - [19] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You also forget that the 6% difference grows when both put a kin cat on due to math. 5.30 m/s - MN Assault base movement 5.00 m/s - GA Assault base movement Difference: 6% 9.73 m/s - MN Assault + 2 KinCats 9.18 m/s - GA Assault + 2 KinCats Difference: 6% (because maths) Yes, I was wrong there, I'm not the best thinker 10 minutes after waking up. Doesn't change how that's still 6% extra speed, which I don't know how much scouts value it but for an Assault that's quite the big advantage, and you can use that speed almost constantly due to stamina regen being off the charts. The thrust of your original claim was correct, that the extra speed translates into even more extra speed after kincats are in place. You just made the claim in regards to relative % speed instead of relative absolute speed. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. As I said, not the best thinker so soon after waking up "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 05:25:00 - [20] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Just for the record I'm neutral on the assault speed changes Honestly that's my stance as well. While I don't think speed change is necessary or called for, I don't care enough to protest. I will let the meta play out and see what happens. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 06:00:00 - [21] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Can I add you as a contact so I can see your stats? His player name is a secret. If you find it, you get banned. Rattati said so himself :P His dev account stats or can he just post his stats in a thread somewhere? I want see how some who has played this game longer than us performs. His dev account also has BPO officer gear :P "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 06:18:00 - [22] - Quote Seems fair, though I would have liked to see how Logis played out if they retained the 1.4 modifier. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 09:31:00 - [23] - Quote Oh, damn, I just thought of something. A single myo stim gives me some pretty good mobility, definitely worth the slot for all the barriers I can jump over. But a lot of those are borderline jumps, as in I mess up by a few CM and I'm not getting over it. With this change my myo stim will become less effective, as I won't be able to jump over those kind of barriers now. Oh well. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.05.28 09:57:00 - [24] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Shield Regen on hold Interested to hear your thoughts on this topic, honestly. I'm actually very interested in the numbers and if I am wrong. But my feel for the assaults and logis is they have much less use on the field than the calsent except as snipers. Same, I'm very interested to know. I don't necessarily agree with Breakin's idea, but I would like to know more data before I make any sort of decision. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*