DUST Search - Sticky:The Respec Discussion Thread

Bendtner92 wrote:

I'll copy paste a few posts of mine from some of the other threads.

Bendtner92 wrote:

I skilled into something and now you're changing it to something entirely else. How is not giving a respec even an option? I don't get it, my choice can only have consequences if I fully knew what I skilled into.

Infantry respec for 1.8 or get out.

Bendtner92 wrote:

A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec.

If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well.

If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well.

I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments.

There simply HAS to be an infantry respec, there's no way around it.

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Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 133	Posted - 2014.03.20 10:03:00 - [1231] - Quote There is no need for a full respec. However, weaponry should be given back. Not because of nerfs but because the weapon you use will affect the choice of which suit you will most likely use. If i use the gallente assault im not getting a bonus to my rail rifle which will make me not want to use it as much.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2055	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:49:00 - [1232] - Quote I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: LOL this thing is still going. I didn't even think there would still be a horse to beat. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Alaska Kilgannon The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:42:00 - [1233] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: LOL this thing is still going. I didn't even think there would still be a horse to beat. Well, lets send this thing off to the glue factory and be done with it. Here put this lipstick on. 'Cause you finna get f*ed.
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 80	Posted - 2014.03.20 16:16:00 - [1234] - Quote Weapon respecs plZ
ROMULUS H3X research lab 87	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:18:00 - [1235] - Quote Why is this thread here anymore? FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN -Romulus H3X
SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 590	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:58:00 - [1236] - Quote i dont know why im even putting this in this thread.. its not like a dev is going to sift through 60 pages of players crying for a respec but anyway here goes... in light of all the feed back regarding dropsuit upgrades, command and weapons.. and how changing one thing collapses the whole skill tree..# do you plan on giving us a full infantry respec at 1.8? i.e command, upgrades and weapons. "just a heavy scrub with a rail rifle"
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5173	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:38:00 - [1237] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: i dont know why im even putting this in this thread.. its not like a dev is going to sift through 60 pages of players crying for a respec but anyway here goes... in light of all the feed back regarding dropsuit upgrades, command and weapons.. and how changing one thing collapses the whole skill tree..# do you plan on giving us a full infantry respec at 1.8? i.e command, upgrades and weapons. Not likely with all the SP events we've been having. Pitty, I've got things like my scanner (because scouts don't use them, logis do), shotgun (Iffy bout this one) , plasma cannon (as much as I love the thing, but damn you for making me think it was AV), sniper, and other skills I very much regret putting points into. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
RA Drahcir Heaven's-Gate 318	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:58:00 - [1238] - Quote +1 Weapons respec
dreth longbow Bank of DUST 514 31	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:10:00 - [1239] - Quote Everyone who does not like respecs, state all kinds of reasons why not to do one. Those who want respecs, state all kinds of reason why we need one. But lets face facts: 1) CCP is not harmed by a respec, they will not lose any money because they will keep players and those players will spend AUR on other things and be happy 2) It shows good will towards players both old and new. CCP can state "we know that we keep changing things to make it better and this is our way of thanking you for staying with us and trying out new stuff." 3) Players are not hurt by it, regardless of all those proto's saying otherwise. 4) Benefits are overwhelming: - Players feel good and not abused, - Players get to spec into what they feel they like, - CCP shows the new guys that they care and will help them, - CCP keeps the mid guys who have played and like the game, but are frustrated with all the changes, - CCP keeps the proto guys, why? they will stay because they have invested so much and they are not really hurt, Now we all know that their will be players that will complain no matter what, but they always will so lets not talk about them. Respecs help everyone new, mid and old.
Mell caneva Megadex-ESP 32	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:26:00 - [1240] - Quote MANS, STOP WITH THE FU***** RESPEC, THEY DON'T WILL GIVE US ONE, WE ARE OK WITH THE COMMAND RESPECT, AND THEY GIVE YOU 2.000.000 OF SP TO YOU SO YOU CAN BUY WHAT YOU WANT. Stop crying and be happy with that present of CCP. Thanls for that CCP :D Yo no estoy loco, solo estoy demente. Diario de Jhonatan (XBOXER091)

Xaviah Reaper Nyain San 287	Posted - 2014.03.22 11:22:00 - [1241] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. giving us only suit command respecs is a terrible idea. Suits are dictated by equipment not the otherway around, so we will be forced back into our previous suits making the respec irrelevant... JUST.. GIVE .. US .. 1 .. FULL .. RESPEC Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2014.03.22 12:03:00 - [1242] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Due to the excesive spamming of topics related to the possibility of a respec, all discussion about respecs must take place in this thread. This includes any posts in support or against a respec. Any other topics anywhere else on the forums will be locked or deleted, and linked to this thread, and repeated starting new topics may result in a warning or bans as per the forum rules. Note that this is not a confirmation that we will or will not be providing a respec in 1.8, this is merely a venue to discuss it. giving us only suit command respecs is a terrible idea. Suits are dictated by equipment not the otherway around, so we will be forced back into our previous suits making the respec irrelevant... JUST.. GIVE .. US .. 1 .. FULL .. RESPEC The reasoning (or my understanding) of the suit repec is because of the addition of 8 new suits, 6 of which are heavy frames. Now I don't know if you are a heavy or even played as a heavy at one point, but most of us heavies (Sentinels and Commandos alike) by this point have level 5 proficiency in their suit of their choosing (which honestly was either Armarr Heavy Frame, Amarr Sentinel or Amarr Commando). Now with the addition of the Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar heavy frames we actually have a real choice and most of us would be upset having to grind another couple million SP just to switch suits when we could place it in tertiary skills such as Shield Upgrades, Weapon Optimization, and others which would improve our suits and weapons. I do understand where you are coming from as most suits make it so that certain weapons/equipment would be more effective (the only suits not giving any buffs to weapons being Sentinel) however with this dropsuit respec, we can choose the suit that goes with our weapons. So yes, the weapons will be dictating the suits we will get after the respec and I believe that a full infantry repec (Dropsuit Command, Weaponry, Dropsuit Upgrades) would be the best option as we will be completely free to choose our weapons and loadout. If you don't agree with me, Xaviah, then QQ more. Edit: As for the full repec option, if you think about it, if they do end up giving us an infantry respec then it will be a full respec if you count the previous vehicle respec from 1.7
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1614	Posted - 2014.03.23 08:30:00 - [1243] - Quote Popping back in just to remind everyone that repsecs are not given to us by democratic votes and no amount of begging will make it so. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Bubba Brown Militaires Sans Jeux 229	Posted - 2014.03.24 16:50:00 - [1244] - Quote full respec is asking too much. the fact we even got two (if i remember right) is unprecedented for an EVE title refunding dropsuit command is more than enough. just pick one type of suit to jump into, and use the (likely) remaining sp to compliment it with weapons remember to mess around a bit before committing to anything, dont expect another dropsuit respec ever since everything is on the table now
Kuro Yojimbo Kuro kaze Company 0	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:40:00 - [1245] - Quote I mean .... All dust players have been patient so far.... New suits , new weapons , new specs , new gears .... equals full RESPEC !!!! Also , we still cannot sell our useless salvage or useless suits etc like eve players do.... It is something we all asked and yet , CCP does not bother to listen once more.... For paying customer , it is becoming increasingly frustrating to deal with CCP.... They barely take notice of your tickets and give you the run around for any inquiry.... Really , it's not just a full respec they need to do , but fire a few of their PR guys that don't seem to bother to listen to the players.... " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot your face! "
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 269	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:43:00 - [1246] - Quote 1.8 is already disaster, why are we still testing? Why if we are still testing is the respec not an obvious consideration.
Blue Waffle1 Amarrican Ground Forces I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 0	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:49:00 - [1247] - Quote I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back....
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1880	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:50:00 - [1248] - Quote Blue Waffle1 wrote: I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back.... You should have been refunded for the skill books. Drop it like its hat.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6304	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:52:00 - [1249] - Quote Blue Waffle1 wrote: I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back.... If you think you're missing the ISK for the skill books, file a support ticket and GM will look into it for you. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)

jerrmy12 kahoalii 675	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:54:00 - [1250] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Blue Waffle1 wrote: I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back.... If you think you're missing the ISK for the skill books, file a support ticket and GM will look into it for you. I got 6 mil yet spent 3 mil, lol, today at keast, btw ccp good job on the cloaks. Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12478	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:38:00 - [1251] - Quote GG CCP GG Long live Level R Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Jarlaxle JRXL Well Oiled Machines 14	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:48:00 - [1252] - Quote LOLZ!!! 1.8 Day 1 FULL RESPEC? Doesn't LOOK full... Now whos gonna ask for a RESPEC??? since they nerfed/PG-CPU & Quantities... ANYONE? as well as Gun-Suit matching skill bonuses... Who still wants a weaps RESPEC???
Jarlaxle JRXL Well Oiled Machines 14	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:50:00 - [1253] - Quote ROMULUS H3X wrote: Why is this thread here anymore? for QQ on Day 2
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 275	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:55:00 - [1254] - Quote plz allow a core skill readjust i am stuck being an armor tanker in a high slot suit
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 88	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:05:00 - [1255] - Quote Full infantry respecuntil the game is completely balanced! QQQQQQ
sasha reaper Nyain Chan 4	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:19:00 - [1256] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: I'll copy paste a few posts of mine from some of the other threads. Bendtner92 wrote: I skilled into something and now you're changing it to something entirely else. How is not giving a respec even an option? I don't get it, my choice can only have consequences if I fully knew what I skilled into. Infantry respec for 1.8 or get out. Bendtner92 wrote: A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec. If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well. If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well. I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments. There simply HAS to be an infantry respec, there's no way around it. there is always a way around it if CCP is involved. just take a step back and look at Dust. just look at the state of it.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1632	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:56:00 - [1257] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Blue Waffle1 wrote: I haven't played in a while and I see that all my Dropsuit skills are gone, and I can't afford the skill books to get them back.... If you think you're missing the ISK for the skill books, file a support ticket and GM will look into it for you. Proof that CCP is listening to us and reading this thread. This is not a democracy. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tupni Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 74	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:23:00 - [1258] - Quote Throwing my hat in with the, "Why aren't you giving a respec to the other >30 things you significantly altered and then the >40 things that have also been affected by the <10 things you did respec" crowd. I mean, how, by what logic, would you even, not? Though I'm OK with waiting for the dust of this patch to settle before all that.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 405	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:57:00 - [1259] - Quote give us 1 last full respec after all hot fixes....you are changing everything too drastically. I wouldnt be surprised if CCP created this entire thread just to guide our threads directly into the trash. Just read the damn thread
Leanna Boghin B.O.D.A.S 35	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:45:00 - [1260] - Quote OK here is why a RESPEC needs to happen. First off Nanohives are now completely useless. you nerfed them so bad there is no point in using them or having the skills for them. You go to a proto nanohive and go to get ammo and you get like a full clip before it pops. Yeah thats so useful -_-. Drop uplinks they are completely useless. Even proto dropuplinks have a positive timer on them which basically is a sick joke if not a glitch so thanks for trolling us CCP on that now it time to give us our sp and isk back on skill for that. Oh dont forget the completely useless rep tools now with their nerfed range. also so many weapons were nerfed to a point that they might as well have removed those weapons from the game completely since they are no longer useful. For instance the duvolle tac rifle. All in all CCP you have royally screwed over so much of the game that your dwindling player base will continue to dwindle unless you either A start listening to us (which wont ever happen) or B give a FULL respec. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P



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