So you are saying that someone who is running a Proto cloak (stil dont know skill multiplier) plus the necessary amount of dampening shouldnt be electronically invisible for 80 secs ?

I wouldnt go that far.

There is still a visual and audible cue and if you move at speed those will be magnified.

Well that line was for medium frames trying to be super dampened - not Lv5 scouts.

It was CCP who chose to give all scouts the base and only have the Gallente increase per level.

330 CPU for a proto cloak??? thats all the scout have 330cpu. must be a error??

Yes lets make it so when you're playing a stealth role, you're not stealthy at all. ::face palm::

I know man. Sometimes this community makes me facepalm.

Can we get the repair tool skill to increase range per level?

+1. Give something like this to all the equipment skills and the complaints about equipment nerf disappear instantly.

Maybe not instantly but it'd go a damn long ways towards eliminating it.

If I got proficiency skill for every equipment, at least 3 skills per equipment I would not care about the nerf.

I know, right.
If they wanted to stop Equipment spam, wouldn't the appropriate way be that if you die the equipment dies with you? Or if you swapped out at a supply depot?

It's not about EQ spam, that can still happen. It's about having equipment that is effective without a logi, no matter what level it is. If it's effective, then what's it matter if you throw it on (X-non-logi) suit?

After the change, if you want to get the most out of the equipment, now you need a logi.

If they wanted to stop Equipment spam, wouldn't the appropriate way be that if you die the equipment dies with you? Or if you swapped out at a supply depot?

Quil seriously? Caldari only have 2 low slots. NO. Not every suit has 3+ low slots. Are you kidding me? You negate any sort of buff we are getting if a scout has to constantly run 2 dampeners.

Quil, you're drunk.

You're distorting the truth.
No-one (other than you, apparently) "constantly" has to run dampeners.

Right now, for a non-level 4scout/level3 damp, its worse. if someone pulls out a regular proto scanner, they have to burn both slots with damps, leaving NO slots free.
And if someone pulls the focused, they cant avoid it At All.

yet I am regularly in matches with my alt, where I dont have pull my full damp fit, the entire game.

Also.. even in matches where there IS a proto scanner... there is usually only 1, maybe 2 tops.
Guess what? in skirmish, there are 5 objectives. so go to a different objective.

You guys are forgetting that logi will likely run multiple scanners. Its really not hard to use the scanner with snapshot angles. Its how I thought they worked prior to their spam ballerina usage tactics that are in place today (before it lit people up on the CNI).

You assume it they will have long cool downs with a single scanner. Things change rapidly when they start running dual scanners. Which I have done in the past as well. Running dual equipment is the way to go, especially with the new logi bonuses. As a logi I would likely have a focused and an active scanner with me at all times. Directly relaying where the "scout" is to eliminate the target.

Quil a majority of objectives are closer than 100m with which a scout usually calles home (CQC) moving to a different objective (outside) is usually not a better plan.

Not even because equipment wont even be as good as it is now on a fully specced logi in the appropriate suit. Anyways equipment in itself was not in any way unbalanced. except the scanner.

I have 4 equipment slots. It's not worth having a 235k suit for all proto equipment if only one will be any good. The only reason I didnt care if they put suit bonuses was because I though equipment would stay the same. So all logi can use good equipment at proto level and make the equipment that their suit is meant for extraordinary. Now it's all just nerfed to hell....


If it's about equipment being only useful on a logi why don't they nerf all light weaponry by 10% because all assault suits are getting a 2% rate of fire bonus per level???

In all honesty I would have loved for CCP to have taken my light weapon and left me only with a side arm... With these new numbers slayer logi's will be in full swing. It's all about fitting options for the slayer logi's. Most of them only carry 1 or 2 equipment on them and they are usually triage hives

I think you're underestimating the change in the scan mechanics. If you think about it, in order to get the same level of constant intel that one logi can give now (360*, 28dB, scans refreshed before illumination ends) you would need six logis with dual proto scanners, coordinating their scans for 360* coverage in concert.

If you run a focused scanner, enjoy your 5-10 seconds of illumination time and 40 seconds of cooldown. That is, if you even manage to spot and scan the scout initially.

I'd just like to point out that it is Driftward who you are quoting and not me (what he said is correct though).

I know, right.
If they wanted to stop Equipment spam, wouldn't the appropriate way be that if you die the equipment dies with you? Or if you swapped out at a supply depot?

Also, the pricing for cloaks should equal their benefit in battle. Are they a simple tool like a drop uplink or nanohive with limited uses or a critical and constantly used piece of equipment like a repair tool? These tools range in pricing from the low hundreds to the mid thirty thousand. 800 to 36,000 Isk for those needing to see numbers.

These appear to more similar and even more useful at times than a repair tool. Their prices should reflect that.

And No, a cloaking field should not be unusable by another class. Everything should be usable by any suit - modules, equipment etc. This allows for the sandbox that Dust emulates from Eve. The fits may not be as usefull by one class as it is for another, but the option is still there. Only PG/CPU limitations should halt usage - but it should still be achievable, I feel the same way about heavy weapons too. And it should be a possiblilty for any class - forge gun scout should happen with enough pg/cpu modules and the highest possible skills. Ineffective, but possible.