Are you sure that's how it's calculated? I know Caldari bonus says it's 5% bonus per level to precision but that wording would mean worse passives so I'd assume it's a 5% reduction to precision per level, so at level 5 you'd have 25% reduction or 75% of the original precision: 45*0.75=33.75

I don't know my way is right but it makes sense to me that it would calculate this way? Also, what about a lvl 5 Caldari with level 5 precision enhancement?

With the 'fixing' of scanners preventing scan-spinning I think that the cooldowns may be a bit too long for some variants - no one liked the constant 'you've been scanned herpadur' crap but could you please implement some short range scanners with say 50-70m range 4 seconds of uptime 7 seconds of cooldown, adv level strength and say a 30-45 degree wedge?

My math says *any* caldari scout at level 5 (the suit is irrelevant) will not be able to passively scan any other scout (Caldari included). There is no anti-scout role at these base levels - none of them will be able to p-scan the others.

All 1.8 scouts will have base 35dB profile, and base 45dB precision. A caldari scout at level 5 will get 45 / 1.25 = 36dB precision. That's above the base scout profile so it won't pick them up.

OK, so it looks like all the equipment has been nerfed so that the new logi bonuses make the equipment as effective as it used to be. Well played CCP..... lol

This is exactly what most people are against. They should be very effective but only for a limited area.

The nanohive resupply nerf is going to hit the Mass Driver pretty hard.

We're already starving for ammo with advanced hives, your proposed changes will make it so that proto hives would be required to effectively wield a mass driver.

Please consider buffing the Mass Driver nanite->ammo conversion rate so that the resupply rate remains the same as current levels.

I don't see the extra 25% of dampening from the cloak as a big deal. It's basically like throwing a complex profile dampener on your suit, at the huge cost that the cloaks come with, and a dampener that is only working when your cloak is active. Remember that scanning itself will be far less effective as it is now (given the snapshot effect, long cooldown times, and "dark" times between consecutive scans, as illumination time is now shorter than the cooldown time).

I see the dampening on cloaks as something to make up for not giving the non-Gal scouts the 5% profile reduction per level. This will get them to the same profile dB as non-cloaked Gal scouts so long as they remain cloaked. While they can evade 28dB proto scans when their cloak is active, they'd still need additional dampening to avoid Gal Logi proto scans (21dB) or focused scans (15dB).

My math says *any* caldari scout at level 5 (the suit is irrelevant) will not be able to passively scan any other scout (Caldari included). There is no anti-scout role at these base levels - none of them will be able to p-scan the others.

All 1.8 scouts will have base 35dB profile, and base 45dB precision. A caldari scout at level 5 will get 45 / 1.25 = 36dB precision. That's above the base scout profile so it won't pick them up.

I get what you're saying but personally I'm not a fan of having to completely gimp my suit because one guy brings out a focused scanner. I have to do that now or just not run my suit. The point of the suit is to avoid detection. To reduce it's ability to avoid detection anymore will put us right back at where we are now: having to gimp our suits to avoid scanners.

I want those days to be over. I'm tired of my eHP getting cut because one person is running a scanner. I will already have to cut my eHP to run a damp if someone is using a focus. I'd rather not have to run two and waste all three of my low slots just to avoid detection.

Simply put, the bonus makes sense. It's an active dampener with a bonus high enough to get a scout below a focused when he wants to be. It allows a scout to be a scout.

I'll just post this here as well:

Ummm...so with one complex dampener plus a cloak you are now at 18.5 dB. Well under what ANY suit can get with an active scanner EXCEPT two. The only suits that could then scan on a scout would be
1) Gal logi with the duvolled focused (now at 20dB native precision with new equip stats)
OR
2) Caldari scout wearing 3 complex precision enhancers (out of 4 slots available). That is absolutely ridiculous

Remember that this is ANY scout wearing a STANDARD cloak with 1 complex dampener.

A NON SCOUT will be at 25 dB with 1 complex dampener and a STANDARD cloak. Meaning only a Gal logi with a proto (non-focussed) scanner, anyone using a duvolled focused, or a cal scout sporting a precision enhancer could pick them up.

Not only that, but you just admitted that they are nerfing scanners. In the same sentence as saying that extra dampening on cloaks isn't a big deal.

So the only counter to cloaks just got a nerf and is less effective, sure that dampening power is fine (sarcasm)....

I would be very concerned if this bonus stays constant throughout the tiers and even more concerned if the top end remains at 25% bonus. It's too much people. To stay off scanners *completely* should totally gimp a suit (or be super specialized, ie gallente scout). Not cost you ONE module slot and an equipment that you were going to use anyways.

Yes lets make it so when you're playing a stealth role, you're not stealthy at all. ::face palm::

Simply put, the (cloak profile damp) bonus makes sense. It's an active dampener with a bonus high enough to get a scout below a focused when he wants to be. It allows a scout to be a scout.

Driftward - would you be happy then if 25% was the profile bonus on the Proto cloak and lesser reductions on the Advanced and Standard ?

Except that the focused scanner, is supposed to be "special". Above and beyond the regular proto scanners.
So to fit in with that, a cloaked scout should be able to somewhat easily be able to get under normal prototype scanners, but should have to go to extra effort to get under the focused.

Which is accomplished, by removing the cloak damp bonus.

With the bonus, a fully skilled scout, doesnt need ANY modules, to get under prototype scanners when cloaked.
35 x .9 x .75 = 23.625dB

In fact, the scout only needs ONE point in damp skill.
35 x .98 x .75 = 25.725dB

This seems slightly OP to me.

Remove it, and a skilled up scout will need only 1 adv damp, to get under proto.
Or 1xproto, 1xadv, to get under the focused.

If there isnt that extra effort required for the focused scanner, then CCP may as well just remove the focused scanner.
It *should* significantly impact scouts, or it may as well just not exist.

And I'll point out it will be a whole lot better than it is now, where you currently need *four* modules to get under the focused.