the rail rifle doesn't overheat

Why does the SCR optimal range go down as you go up in teirs?

I'm skeptical about it, really. Higher recoil kinda makes sense for a short range weapon but it doesn't make that much sense for a long range weapon - especially if it's intent is to be fully automatic. It sort of negates the premise of it being a long range weapon. Being based on the breach rifle it's going to have a higher hip-fire accuracy so the recoil might just help it out in CQC. Won't know until we see it and by that point, if I'm correct in my assumptions, it'll be the Flavor of the Month. I don't think any of us are ready to deal with yet another OP weapon that persists for months until CCP up and decides to not be stubborn and actually fix something.



You're assuming that all fights occur with both fighters firing at the same time - this almost never happens. There are too many variables to take into account, whether or not one person saw the other, personal reaction time, network connection, etc.

It's always best to assume that one is going to get the jump on the other and in the case of the Rail Rifle having damage as high as it is, that first second isn't going to mean much when both parties start moving around to evade fire streams. The higher damage per round with increased hip fire accuracy that comes with it being based on the Breach AR is going to make it an insanely good CQC weapon, I think, solely because of the fact that you can remain mobile and put more rounds on target without needing to use your sights.

(...)The new Rifles : Hmm this hard I really don't like what ccp did here instead of unique roles in terms of dps and range ccp gives all rifles insane dps and tries to balance that with some sort of game mechanic. That reallly worries me. If you look at the dsp rating they are pretty close apart from the railrifle the difference is just 6 dps from AR to CR, while the RR outshines all others. But if you look at the range the difference becomes quite noticeable so the lowest range AR has basicla the same or lower dps than the longer range rifles. I dont think this will work well balance wise . Especially when the longest range weapon also get the highest dps...

I think the AR should get the dps from the RR
The RR the dps from the CR and the CR the dps of the current AR (even with this change the RR would be quite powerfull)

I do not question a slight advantage but what I question is if this very slight advantage is enough compared to the huge range advantage of the RR. IMHO the dps of the current AR is not enough compared to the other assault rifles if you consider the Range where these weapons are effective. A signifivicant disadvantage in range should come with a signicant bonus to dps.

The Rail Rifle in my experience has a fair bit of kick to it. I'll talk to CCP Wolfman and see if we can get some footage of all four rifles firing a full clip without any input correction (player moving the trigger to keep it on target).

Yes it also costs 30k more and is actually a Pro 1 level weapon.

The Proto CR might be better too (than Duvolle) with the ROF but lets just wait to see before throwing out OP. Duvolle and GEK are already monsters so dont know whats the issue.

Dont tell me those are tears welling up.

I take your point about balancing but you do have to agree that the higher tier weapon is usually better.

Also the AR's do really well right now against AScR's and while they are getting a range bump, if the scopes are going to stay the same then ironsight users will be fine in my opinion.

It just seems AR users dont want people doing to them what they do. If you arent one I apologize.

AS for PC - dont play so I wont say whether that is the level the weapons should be balanced for (others feel different) but as far as I know, tactics and the squad trump a weapon.

Combat rifle
Based on the stats the burst and full auto have the same fire rate. evidently their is a .05 second delay between each shot even in the busts. We do not have a burst delay stat so, its hard to tell what its true fire rate is. mostly likely the same burst delay as the galente burst.

Therefore it will take .15 seconds to fire one burst which will do a total of 96 damage. If this is the case and their is a .1 second delay. 1 second the cambat rifle does 96 damage in .25seconds time * 4 = 384DPS.

If the CB rifle has a 384 DPS, then it will take it 2.86 seconds to kill a heavy. Which is pretty bad. considering minmintar about speed and power.

I am really worried the combat rilfe is going to be utter garbage. And join the ranks of all the other minmintar wepaonry. The only usable minmintar stuff in this game are locus grenades and smgs....

Would love to see a DPS comparison between all 4 rifle types, the GAR should have the highest DPS for its range sacrifice while the Rail rifle should have the lowest DPS for its higher range, what this does is maintain each gun dominant within its range fields. If the DPS remains the same for each gun what would happen is that the longest range weapon becomes the FOTM and the low range weapons become novelty.

Looking at the ranges the GAR should have at least a 25-40% DPS advantage against the Rail rifle, while the Combat rifle and scrambler sit in between, keep in mind that outside of optimal and maximum range the DPS advantage has no advantage. Remember that DPS does not mean high damage, DPS is usually judged by low damage-per-shot and high ROF or a mixture of medium damage and medium-high ROF, while low DPS is usually (for high damage weapons) high-damage-per-shot and low ROF. A good way to see how this comes into play is by comparing the gameplay of a Blaster cannon and Rail gun on a tank, at long ranges the Rail gun will always beat the blaster, but at close ranges the Blaster will always beat the Rail gun. This works for either burst, tactical, or assault variants.

Without adding the GAR and the Scrambler to this weapon comparison its hard to see how this will add a balanced gameplay, so far these two new rifles seem (at least to me) to overpower the previous rifles.

(...)So, full auto Combat Rifles and Rail Rifles have around the same damage output, but at a much longer range than standard Assault Rifles. A 0.2 second spool up doesn't seem to me like it'll be enough to stop Rail Rifle dominance. 3% more damage and a 30m range extension beyond the 48m of the Assault Rifle is very, very good.

(...)Unless you severely modify the Laser Rifle, the Rail Rifle will either be consistently dealing twice the damage or the Laser will need to charge up for 12 times longer to reach comparable DPS, at which point it's dead twice over. The Rail Rifle thus far seems to be mathematically superior to the Laser Rifle in every way. As a Laser Rifle user, I am disappointed by this news.

Congratulations. You didn't want AR 514, so CCP has made it Long Range AR 514. They have the same DPS over a longer range with negligible trade offs. Are there any mechanics that have not been stated yet for these weapons?

Has everyone missed the part where the Rail Rifle has the same damage per second as the assault rifle over twice the range? Yeah. So, Heavies will indeed be dropping in two to three seconds to Rail Rifles, provided this is an accurate representation of how the gun will work and there isn't some crazy recoil.

The Rail rifle will be much better at fighting over distance simply cause at range the Assault rifle does like 10HP per hit while you still do full damage with the rail rifle and murdering every 1. This is just going to be as popular as the TAC AR in the beginning where it was the none plus ultra. If you can outrange your enemy you basically won the firefight. And with the recent heavy usage of active scanners you cant really say that the 0.2 secs charge time is a handicap. People will just pre fire around corners to bridge the charge time. And you seem to forget that the rail rifle deals more damage per bullet which means that you need less to kill somebody and that saves you ammo.

So they are making a long range Rail rifle and people are already whining it cant compete with a gun designed for close encounters?

If the new RR would be better at Close range or the same, wouldnt that just make it so the Blaster is useless?