no respec, shouldn't have used a logi suit as an assault suit.

time to get your repair tools out logis


HAHAHAHA

Respec won't happen. Adapt and overcome. HTFU

p.s. vethosis werent u in hellstorm 2 days ago saying everything would be fine then bailed?

Lol Amazing troll thread!

No more skill respecs. On a side note, when skills/items are changed, isk and sp refunds for those skills/items affected should be issued with the change, whether it be a nerf, buff, or 1:1 switch around. Its like advertising and selling the largest 1080p HD TVs on the market, then once everyone has one, go into everyone's homes and turn the TVs into 720p TVs with no refunds. Its a ****** metaphor but I got my point across.

Um, no, you crybabies already had 2 respecs, and you continued to spec into the most obviously OP suit.

Go DIAF scum.

A lot of the anti-respec people seem to hold resentment towards the people who abused callogis. Fascinating.

I wasted lots of SP in the commando suit and i DON'T WANT A RESPEC. I make a mistake, now i have to live with it.

In the end of day you have to get it wrong first, before you learn how to do it right. Learn from you mistakes.

If people what a respect then they should have a penalty. They MUST give up some SP to get a respect.
People need to learn that not everything can go their way. If someone made a mistake on their choice then they need to live by that mistake or lose a part of what they want. I say remove 5% of they lifetime SP for getting a respect. That way they won't always keep on asking for more in the future.

whats wrong with commando?

time to get your repair tools out logis


HAHAHAHA

I wasted lots of SP in the commando suit and i DON'T WANT A RESPEC. I make a mistake, now i have to live with it.

In the end of day you have to get it wrong first, before you learn how to do it right. Learn from you mistakes.

Signed will not come back until we have one or when 9/17/13 hits im gone for good regardless. When the player numbers get to 1,000 remember you were warned. So keep sticking to no respec it's worked well for you so far.

We went from 9,400 players to around 3,500 nuff said.

Signed will not come back until we have one or when 9/17/13 hits im gone for good regardless. When the player numbers get to 1,000 remember you were warned. So keep sticking to no respec it's worked well for you so far.

We went from 9,400 players to around 3,500 nuff said.

Hell NO crybabies. NO MORE RESPECS.

Deal with it.

Saying no.

Going to bet the majority of people signing are sad sack Cal Logi flaylock users who knew it was OP but needed it to make up for the lack of skill.

What's that saying a lot of you used to say to anyone that didn't use it? HTFU and adapt.

Personally prefer "Suck it up butter cup".

Thought you had skill - why the hell do you need a respec.

People are leaving because the game isnt good enough and lacks content, not because of respecs

Lol another failed attempt at a respec.

In Eve when they add new stuff you don't get respecs, you get more SP to spec into that new ****.

They aren't adding anything their changing existing things in a negative way.

In Eve you click on train skill and go mine, or go on a week vacation and it's all set. It takes 2 months of weekly capping & passive SP to get enough for a Proto Dropsuit. (without boosters)

Indeed...

Why should ccp keep respec'ing?

Just cos...

A. You did spend the time to think out your character..

or.

B. you have the sticking power and attention span of a brain dead frog.

Indeed...

Why should ccp keep respec'ing?

Just cos...

A. You did spend the time to think out your character..

or.

B. you have the sticking power and attention span of a brain dead frog.

Ooh, an Elsword/GC player...

I have nothing else to contribute with my post.

lololol!! I don't even play/like the game, but this is rich! Calilogi's want a respec!

And you KNOW that it's mostly just them, because there's no way in hell you fly a dropship, are a heavy, drive a tank etc. And suddenly JUST now want a respec!

lololol! CCP won't give you respecs and it'll be one of the things that kills their game! Ha! You guys get what you deserve and CCP finally loses DUST 5-1-Fail! Great!

I'm a heavy who suddenly wants a respec.

lololol!! I don't even play/like the game, but this is rich! Calilogi's want a respec!

And you KNOW that it's mostly just them, because there's no way in hell you fly a dropship, are a heavy, drive a tank etc. And suddenly JUST now want a respec!

lololol! CCP won't give you respecs and it'll be one of the things that kills their game! Ha! You guys get what you deserve and CCP finally loses DUST 5-1-Fail! Great!

You go girl ! *shakes head / snaps finger*

I have 10 mill SP but the game is bloody boring. Respec allows you to have FUN the number one reason why i play video games Im stuck in my class, don't want to grind anymore. To play in a new class, same game modes from beta.

Look the list goes on and on they released Dust with 10% content. At least allow players to respec to have FUN, nope not CCP keep following the EVE model and you will be left with EVE playing Dust.

How many players need to leave for CCP to realize that they need to have respecs to keep Dust fresh.

Just STFU and play

You sound bitter, even for a troll.

No respecs, I actually love living with the consequences of my decisions.

Haha go play something else you bad, bad players who ask for respecs every time you forget to wipe your own asses and go for the flavor of the month.

i did not go for flavor of the month...i still want a respec.....go bother some one else. we can ask ok....they may say no..but we can still ask..

You do have two alts to use.

If there was a way to only allow players who willy nilly respec to be barred from PC and FW then I may agree.

Also it was your choice to super specialize than branch out when you knew the repercussions so why are you QQ'ing now?

Ask for new content - dont QQ for respecs.

Quiet you respec mongering idiot!

i will sign this too i have worked with the cal logi NOT BECAUSE I USE AS ASSAULT my god thats what alot of you guys think. i ACTUALLY use it for its ACTUAL purpose i also was affected with the tac ar nerf(the worst part with the tac ar nerf is i got to the glu 5 like two weeks before it was nerfed) and i know i'm going to get some hate for this post but hey atleast i'm spe-typing my mind. And I don't think ccp ment to put me in this postion they were just trying to fix the assaultlogi problem and with the slighlty op tac ar problem which i respect them for it, but i wouldn't mind a respec.
/sign

So you used a TAC with a Cal Logi ? And you wish people to feel bad for you. LOL

we shouldn't have to worry about getting nerfed.

Add respecs then, maybe if the devs could put a balanced thing in the game the first time, we wouldn't need respecs.

I heard some people wanted a petition, so here it is:


Vethosis
Sloth9320
EternalRMG
Vesosis
Niuvo
Protocake Jr
Bad Heal
Soldiersaint
Banned From Forums
llluminaughty-696
KING SALASI
LT SHANKS
pierce Hawkeye
WyrmHero1945
A'Real Fury

If this is to ever happen, again, it should be after all racial variants of the current build are released. After that, never again.

Honestly, I would say that and not doing a full respect, but rather only allowing an optional refund of SP in suit skills. There's no reason to do another full one.

People who need their crutch back:


Vethosis
Sloth9320
EternalRMG
Vesosis
Niuvo
Protocake Jr
Bad Heal
Soldiersaint
Banned From Forums
llluminaughty-696
KING SALASI
LT SHANKS
pierce Hawkeye
WyrmHero1945
A'Real Fury
hooc order

I heard some people wanted a petition, so here it is:


Vethosis
Sloth9320
EternalRMG
Vesosis
Niuvo
Protocake Jr
Bad Heal
Soldiersaint
Banned From Forums
llluminaughty-696
KING SALASI
LT SHANKS
pierce Hawkeye
WyrmHero1945
A'Real Fury
hooc order

"I do what i want.... I run with gangs... 12 gangs!!!!"

to Ronan

I happen to know, you're not a moron and are smart enough to think this thru, I also know that you have secondary and back up that would back other suits viable for you (perhaps not with the WP return we logis are used to, I'll admit)

However, The Cal logi has just been brought into line with the other logis, one of the reason there is so much butt hurt going on about this "balance" is because peeps are losing their "win button"

You, Ronan are good enough to make any suit work mate... Adapt, as I know you can.

its funny because every time tanks are nerfed and we want a respect and reimbursement, you infantry tell us to adapt or die and call us QQers... but when you get nerfed you think your entitled to a respect? oh the irony, thy name is nerf hammer.....

its time you adapted to something

I heard some people wanted a petition, so here it is:


Vethosis
Sloth9320
EternalRMG
Vesosis
Niuvo
Protocake Jr
Bad Heal
Soldiersaint
Banned From Forums
llluminaughty-696
KING SALASI
LT SHANKS
pierce Hawkeye
WyrmHero1945
A'Real Fury
hooc order
Eldest Dragon
KiN JRB
XeroTheBigBoss
Eris Ernaga
Heavy Breaks
ZDub 303
DRE PrEaCh

no more respecs, cant you FotM kids understand? and look a furry signed the petition, how disgusting

Neither do i
I iust want to get back into dropships

I support your petition

whats with ppl denying respecs? what's up their trunks?
Signed, Ill be a happy scout if this happens.

I think CCP has fudged me with the scout suit, I think CCP has fudged everyone else. A respec is NEEDED to make ppl happy. If you are happy with your skills, so be it! WE ARE NOT.

did they confirm it in game and just aren't posting here?

No more skill respecs. On a side note, when skills/items are changed, isk and sp refunds for those skills/items affected should be issued with the change, whether it be a nerf, buff, or 1:1 switch around. Its like advertising and selling the largest 1080p HD TVs on the market, then once everyone has one, go into everyone's homes and turn the TVs into 720p TVs with no refunds. Its a ****** metaphor but I got my point across.

Live with your choices.So, nope!

bro did u even read this thread, most of the signers probably aren't even caldari logis

lololol!! I don't even play/like the game, but this is rich! Calilogi's want a respec!

And you KNOW that it's mostly just them, because there's no way in hell you fly a dropship, are a heavy, drive a tank etc. And suddenly JUST now want a respec!

lololol! CCP won't give you respecs and it'll be one of the things that kills their game! Ha! You guys get what you deserve and CCP finally loses DUST 5-1-Fail! Great!

oh my god we're not all fotm players i am so annoyed by people who asume stuff like that. I have made mistakes ok got that bud? and what do you care anyway? it's not affecting you that much all you have to do is reskill into everything so why ruin other peoples chances at a better game. also iff your going to respon please don't respon with a butt hurt or try hard answer i'm really sick of hearing those too.

ive made plenty of mistakes on another account too, i dont ask for a respec ill just create a new one like this or keep using the same one

bump

Watched lowrates vid, and I agree with him. If they nerf a weapon, suit, module, etc, the player should get all the SP back from whatever it is CCP "adjusted".

Although seeing as how hard it was for them to apply the last repec, it seems highly unlikely they would have the manpower or will to be able to refund SP based on gear they have adjusted. If something as 'simple' as resetting a players SP to 100% unallocated is tough, there is not a chance in hell they can do it for more specific amounts of SP from a given weapon/suit/etc.


Would be amazing though if they could pull this kind of repec off, as a nerf wouldn't mean wasted WP and it would give us a chance to try something else (perhaps the variety this game needs after you have fully speced into something).

Don't understand why CCP just doesn't offer Respecs for AUR... Just saying

i'd rather you all quit than got a respec.

bump

May i kindly remind you of rule #14 of the forums?

No one takes offence with one or two bumps but you are clrearly overdoing it here.

Want a respec how about just earn some more skill points and spec into something else if you spec into the flavor of the month because it is OP do it at your own risk

hm ill tell you what i wont bump anymore..but im not letting this post die..ccp you may have said no..but your playerbase has spoken.....LET THERE BE RESPECS!

I can just hope CCP knows that the Argumentum ad Populum is a classic fallacy.

After thinking it over and my Ill feelings towards all of you flavor the players has been subdued somewhat. I've come to look at this situation a little more logically.

I now retract my statement about No further respecs. While I still would love to see all those Cal logi's and FoTM players suffer to the highest degree. I believe that changing the attributes and aspects of certain items or suits that quite possible played a huge role in someone's decision to invest SP into it deserves nothing less that a refund of all invested SP into that suit or item.

+1 For Respec

StillHateYouAll

but....but im not a fotm player...im an amarr logi

Then why do you think you deserve a respec? I don't know when you got here but everybody has already recieved 2 respecs.

The only respecs that should be allowed to happen are for those who's suits and items have been changed through patches or hotfixes.

EDIT: Well technically you're suit is getting changed...but only for the better. So why?

After thinking it over and my Ill feelings towards all of you flavor the players has been subdued somewhat. I've come to look at this situation a little more logically.

I now retract my statement about No further respecs. While I still would love to see all those Cal logi's and FoTM players suffer to the highest degree. I believe that changing the attributes and aspects of certain items or suits that quite possible played a huge role in someone's decision to invest SP into it deserves nothing less that a refund of all invested SP into that suit or item.

+1 For Respec

StillHateYouAll

While it's actually a good thing that you don't reduce yay sayers on this issue to FOTM chasers anymore, if the only argument against respecs you can think of is an Ad hominem than you must not have thought about it very deeply to begin with.

There have been countless threads on this explaining in detail why respecs are very very bad for this game. None of which have been acknowledged, let alone adressed anywhere in this thread although they are just one search away.

This whole thread is heavily one sided because it is very easy to just demand something without any consideration of the possible downsides. I quite hard and tiring to explain the other position when no one is really interested in hearing any of this. More so when we have to repeat ourselves on a daily basis because there's always a new thread on this somewhere with the same people claiming that there are no arguments against it.

behind me*

only bump if this thread isn't on the first page, but don't actually say " bump "

hm ill tell you what i wont bump anymore..but im not letting this post die..ccp you may have said no..but your playerbase has spoken.....LET THERE BE RESPECS!

I too want this thread to survive but soldier you have to tone it down a bit I don't want anything happing to this thread ok? Great enthusasim though

THE MASSES HAVE SPOKEN....GIVE US OUR REPEC CCP OR DIE!!!!

I can just hope CCP knows that the Argumentum ad Populum is a classic fallacy.

THE MASSES HAVE SPOKEN....GIVE US OUR REPEC CCP OR DIE!!!!

It will depend if CCP thinks that the majority are more profitable than the smaller group of people for DUST514.

PS: It's cool that you're aware of your fallacies, but pointing out fallacies is not really helpful to get a point across.

It also depents on wether this "majority" is real, merely perceived or even contrived. As i've said in an earlier post i've stopped engaging in every single respec thread because arguing against it seems to be much more work arguing in favour of it. Especially since the half life of your everage respec thread is about 6hours if not forcefully kept alive like this one. Those against respecs have to repeat themselves constantly. It starts to feel like a waste of time really when i see people i have debated with jump on every respec thread they can find repeating arguments i have challenged and sometimes refuted on more than one occasion.

I imagine quite a few people to feel the same and others not to raise contra on the forums because they have no issue and thus don't visit the forums to begin with. That is incidentily one of the reasons why the argumentum ad populum is deemed a fallacy. You can make any position seem like the majority, sound or not.

The PS. is actually correct. Argumentum ad logicam can be fallacious in itself (fallception ).

that escalated quickly again we all want respecs but lets be polite about it so what you really ment was
THE MASSES HAVE SPOKEN....GIVE US OUR REPEC CCP OR DIE!!!!OF FRIENDSHIP. bro you don't want to threaten the guys possibly giving the respec no matter how silly or outrageous

Why the heck do players think you want to spec out of the Caldari Logi? I got it because it had more slots so I can fit and experiment with other builds for a SUPPORT LOGISTICS. I only want a respec because I've leveled up parts of my core skills that are useless and cost me like 4mil SP.

Haha the list is growing.
Maybe one way CCP could solve this all is have say one or two optional respecs a year or something. Similar to how it is in eve. Then (Give us notice as to when) drop the first one of these yearly respecs in the coming weeks after 1.3? How about that?

Haha the list is growing.
Maybe one way CCP could solve this all is have say one or two optional respecs a year or something. Similar to how it is in eve. Then (Give us notice as to when) drop the first one of these yearly respecs in the coming weeks after 1.3? How about that?

Neural remaps are not respecs!

Neural remaps are given out once a year but only allow to change your attributes. Those have a (limited) impact on how fast certain types of skills can be trained. It has no effect on your current SP and provides no instantaneous change whatsoever.

Misleading comparison is misleading.

Those who mislead us will be purged....

I love the crying for respecs. Adapt to your situations and make do with what you have. Also is this some sort of cult?

Then banish him from the list. You don't want to be associated with deceiving individuals. Have some integrity.

then sign my friend..sign

Signed*

now that your soul belongs to the respec devil....wait......i didnt plan this far....

I love the crying for respecs. Adapt to your situations and make do with what you have. Also is this some sort of cult?