DUST Search - Respec Petition

Visala Telephia wrote:

dday3six wrote:

Karl Koekwaus wrote:

Hell no.

Respecs go against the very being of the EVE universe, which is 'your actions have consequences'.

If you want to pew pew a bit in a game without this, I think Battlefield or COD are both catering to your playstyle. You can change all the weapons all the time in them.

Also, stuff gets balanced all the time. Deal with it and play what you like to play instead of what is the fotm build. This way you won't rage on some internet forums when some numbers get fiddled with for the good of the game.

How is a person suppose to interpret the consequences of their actions, if they don't have all the variables, and even further if those variables are subject to continual, radical changes.

With the example of the CalLogi, it was very obvious that suit's bonus would either be lessened or outright changed, but the CPU decrease come out of left field surprising several people. What if in 1.4's infantry rebalance all suits got a decrease in CPU and PG? How could players have planned for that?

Now I agree that if respecs were offered too often it would throw out consequence. I advocate 1 respec a year with 1 addition AUR respec available in the same time frame. So 2 a year if a players is willing/able to pay for the second. Personally I feel this is a fair comprise because it allows for respecs, but also gives them consequence as they are not readily available.

This too is part of EVE was the point the person you replied to was trying to make. Each expansion of EVE sees rebalances to various ship types, introduction of new game mechanics or ships and many other things. Suddenly, if something doesn't work anymore, players figure out what does work, or how to adapt their old strategies to new mechanics or ship types. If this means taking a new skill line, so be it. In EVE, one of the most important things to train isn't a specific ship class. Its core skills. And the same holds true in DUST. Train all of your dropsuit upgrade skills that confer passive bonuses first, then go focusing on getting into proto suits. You'll find it much less painful when you can fit a lot more to a weaker suit. Ultimately, its just a matter of accepting reality, putting on your best smile, and finding enjoyment even in the midst of confusion. I really am sorry for everyone who specced into terrible things or things that were nerfed, and I feel that what we need isn't a respec. We need PvE. Something to do to experiment without as high a risk of loss and to gain the SP that is vital to do things in PvP. Just like in EVE. Additionally, DUST needs EVE's actual skill system. EVE uses attributes to determine the training speed of a skill, and these attributes can be enhanced with implants, for faster training. The major thing is that... each skill uses two attributes to determine how fast it trains. A primary and a secondary. And... EVE players get a remap of their attributes each year, so that they can quickly shift their training focus into new skill types. New players get three remaps to start. If DUST had the same skill system, the passive training would feel meaningful enough that people might just be willing to turn the game off for a week, or to just casually play while they speedgrind through the SP via passive training for whatever their focus is.

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Illuminaughty-696 Galere Omega Battle Services 292	Posted - 2013.07.30 13:21:00 - [331] - Quote xLTShinySidesx wrote: I will sign this if it had the right details involved... Full respec? No, absolutely not A sp respec of "balanced items"? Sure if it works like this..... CCP "balances" a piece of equipment, weapon, ds etc.. They should refund all the sp invested into this "balanced" piece of gear and then you can choose whether or not you want to skill back into it. Simply saying "you should have known it was going to get nerfed" is a cop out, when I skilled into stuff I had no idea how it was going to be, how would you until you play with it? I love you, Shiny, but common sense is frowned upon here.
RA Drahcir Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 49	Posted - 2013.07.31 04:38:00 - [332] - Quote in favor of a respec, dont mind if it take AUR, but there definitely should be a cooldown of some sort
pierce Hawkeye BurgezzE.T.F 76	Posted - 2013.08.03 21:19:00 - [333] - Quote wow i've been off the forums for about 2 weeks, came back on and to my suprise this petition still has yet to be answered by ccp? sorry but honestly i would really like a yay or nay answer on this
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 354	Posted - 2013.08.03 21:38:00 - [334] - Quote CCP what's your decision on this? I'm ok with a big NO from you guys. Please answer to us, the uncertainty is killing me. -XOXO
Logi Stician The Vanguardians 84	Posted - 2013.08.03 21:58:00 - [335] - Quote Signed.
10123Jman The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 27	Posted - 2013.08.03 22:08:00 - [336] - Quote i support this I WANT RESPEC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 246	Posted - 2013.08.03 22:12:00 - [337] - Quote I wonder just how long that list would actually be if you consolidated the alts on it. Should've voted by PSN instead of character names, so it wouldn't seem so "padded".
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster 317	Posted - 2013.08.03 22:13:00 - [338] - Quote no your all idiots have a nice day
pierce Hawkeye BurgezzE.T.F 76	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:00:00 - [339] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: no your all idiots have a nice day and you're very condisending, now leave and never return
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 758	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:06:00 - [340] - Quote I must admit the list doesn't seem long at all. I think the respec thing is a NO GO. That number you got there out of 4k player base isn't much at all.

Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 247	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:18:00 - [341] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: I must admit the list doesn't seem long at all. I think the respec thing is a NO GO. That number you got there out of 4k player base isn't much at all. Remove the alts and it becomes even more underwhelming.
Karl Koekwaus Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 147	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:22:00 - [342] - Quote Hell no. Respecs go against the very being of the EVE universe, which is 'your actions have consequences'. If you want to pew pew a bit in a game without this, I think Battlefield or COD are both catering to your playstyle. You can change all the weapons all the time in them. Also, stuff gets balanced all the time. Deal with it and play what you like to play instead of what is the fotm build. This way you won't rage on some internet forums when some numbers get fiddled with for the good of the game.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:35:00 - [343] - Quote Vethosis wrote: I heard some people wanted a petition, so here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB26grrZS2A lowratehitman approves of respeccing in some parts, please watch the video it is only 5 minutes. Vethosis Sloth9320 EternalRMG Vesosis Niuvo Protocake Jr Bad Heal Soldiersaint Banned From Forums llluminaughty-696 KING SALASI LT SHANKS pierce Hawkeye WyrmHero1945 SILVERBACK 02 A'Real Fury hooc order Eldest Dragon KiN JRB XeroTheBigBoss SILVERBACK 03 Eris Ernaga Heavy Breaks ZDub 303 DRE PrEaCh flesth IM-JUST TO-FAT Beowulf Folkvar SILVERBACK 01 TheDarthMa94 RAYNE Moon DR feldernatch Gawen Eadan Joshua Eadan TIGGY B tRUPPer88 smoke 2joint Cat Merc Dr Kennith Nosewater Adept Killer LongLostLust SAIRAX SIS SlyFrenzy DildoMcnutz Captain Africa Clone1 THEAMAZING POTHEAD Ivan Avogadro PandyRIP Hell Destroyer Clips A'hoy Delta90212 Sotapopthegrey gay LADY MYATO Parson Atreides Rynoceros CommanderBolt ISuperstar Tectonic Fusion Big Boss XIII dday3six Cy Cyclone1 shin suki White Mortadela BLACH HEROES Bad Trojan Vicious Minotaur FATprincess - XOXO the legend345 Solia Breton Epicus Brilllluntus Tank Gorillarape LudiKure ninda AfroSunshineY Consequence BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Vesperz TranquillBiscuit ofValor darkiller240 LuckyLuke Wargan Navare Shadow DoomLead Mother Facker NINJAPIRATEROBOTZOMBIE J Siegal Sports Dude xDeceiver Jathniel Sign me in. Don't be hating
dday3six Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 161	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:14:00 - [344] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: Hell no. Respecs go against the very being of the EVE universe, which is 'your actions have consequences'. If you want to pew pew a bit in a game without this, I think Battlefield or COD are both catering to your playstyle. You can change all the weapons all the time in them. Also, stuff gets balanced all the time. Deal with it and play what you like to play instead of what is the fotm build. This way you won't rage on some internet forums when some numbers get fiddled with for the good of the game. How is a person suppose to interpret the consequences of their actions, if they don't have all the variables, and even further if those variables are subject to continual, radical changes. With the example of the CalLogi, it was very obvious that suit's bonus would either be lessened or outright changed, but the CPU decrease come out of left field surprising several people. What if in 1.4's infantry rebalance all suits got a decrease in CPU and PG? How could players have planned for that? Now I agree that if respecs were offered too often it would throw out consequence. I advocate 1 respec a year with 1 addition AUR respec available in the same time frame. So 2 a year if a players is willing/able to pay for the second. Personally I feel this is a fair comprise because it allows for respecs, but also gives them consequence as they are not readily available.
KING CHECKMATE Seraphim Auxiliaries 442	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:18:00 - [345] - Quote MEH +1 Signed. I dont even care anymore LOL. I just want my 11mil SP to spec it ALL into 1 weapon, 1 suit, etcetc... Im tired of being jack of all trades, master of none...
Gooby FETUS unlight9 0	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:27:00 - [346] - Quote Signed +1
God Anpu TheImmortal The Pyramid Order Only The Famous 30	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:32:00 - [347] - Quote If the respect is for all who would like one then considered me signed
10123Jman The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 28	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:23:00 - [348] - Quote RESPECT RESPEC
10123Jman The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 28	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:23:00 - [349] - Quote SIGN ME IN
10123Jman The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 28	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:27:00 - [350] - Quote How many likes can i get?? whoever likes this gets 100,000 isk

Black SaMuRI Proto-G3NIUS3S 0	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:34:00 - [351] - Quote Count me in respec
Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:49:00 - [352] - Quote Hook me up with my respec, fellas. Better allow people to pay for respecs every six months.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 335	Posted - 2013.08.04 05:32:00 - [353] - Quote Why are you damn idiots still on this? They already said no, and their not changing their minds.......
Visala Telephia Luminous Order of the Prismatic Maiden 5	Posted - 2013.08.04 05:33:00 - [354] - Quote dday3six wrote: Karl Koekwaus wrote: Hell no. Respecs go against the very being of the EVE universe, which is 'your actions have consequences'. If you want to pew pew a bit in a game without this, I think Battlefield or COD are both catering to your playstyle. You can change all the weapons all the time in them. Also, stuff gets balanced all the time. Deal with it and play what you like to play instead of what is the fotm build. This way you won't rage on some internet forums when some numbers get fiddled with for the good of the game. How is a person suppose to interpret the consequences of their actions, if they don't have all the variables, and even further if those variables are subject to continual, radical changes. With the example of the CalLogi, it was very obvious that suit's bonus would either be lessened or outright changed, but the CPU decrease come out of left field surprising several people. What if in 1.4's infantry rebalance all suits got a decrease in CPU and PG? How could players have planned for that? Now I agree that if respecs were offered too often it would throw out consequence. I advocate 1 respec a year with 1 addition AUR respec available in the same time frame. So 2 a year if a players is willing/able to pay for the second. Personally I feel this is a fair comprise because it allows for respecs, but also gives them consequence as they are not readily available. This too is part of EVE was the point the person you replied to was trying to make. Each expansion of EVE sees rebalances to various ship types, introduction of new game mechanics or ships and many other things. Suddenly, if something doesn't work anymore, players figure out what does work, or how to adapt their old strategies to new mechanics or ship types. If this means taking a new skill line, so be it. In EVE, one of the most important things to train isn't a specific ship class. Its core skills. And the same holds true in DUST. Train all of your dropsuit upgrade skills that confer passive bonuses first, then go focusing on getting into proto suits. You'll find it much less painful when you can fit a lot more to a weaker suit. Ultimately, its just a matter of accepting reality, putting on your best smile, and finding enjoyment even in the midst of confusion. I really am sorry for everyone who specced into terrible things or things that were nerfed, and I feel that what we need isn't a respec. We need PvE. Something to do to experiment without as high a risk of loss and to gain the SP that is vital to do things in PvP. Just like in EVE. Additionally, DUST needs EVE's actual skill system. EVE uses attributes to determine the training speed of a skill, and these attributes can be enhanced with implants, for faster training. The major thing is that... each skill uses two attributes to determine how fast it trains. A primary and a secondary. And... EVE players get a remap of their attributes each year, so that they can quickly shift their training focus into new skill types. New players get three remaps to start. If DUST had the same skill system, the passive training would feel meaningful enough that people might just be willing to turn the game off for a week, or to just casually play while they speedgrind through the SP via passive training for whatever their focus is.
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 358	Posted - 2013.08.04 05:36:00 - [355] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Why are you damn idiots still on this? They already said no, and their not changing their minds....... Link plz -XOXO
John ShepardIII D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 0	Posted - 2013.08.04 06:19:00 - [356] - Quote First of all that's just wrong using a officer weapon in a pub match. Secondly I'm a pro cal logi , and when it got nerfed I got pissed but I still don't think people should get a skill respec every time something changes. Because of people that take advantage of OP dropsuits and weapons could keep getting their sp back and just spec into the next OP thing that comes out.
Akurabis A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 20	Posted - 2013.08.04 06:21:00 - [357] - Quote signed
pierce Hawkeye BurgezzE.T.F 77	Posted - 2013.08.04 13:20:00 - [358] - Quote why must all the no respec people come to the respec petition if you're that annoyed at people getting respecs comment or sign the no respec petition or just go back to where you came from Points to mordor
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 250	Posted - 2013.08.04 13:59:00 - [359] - Quote pierce Hawkeye wrote: why must all the no respec people come to the respec petition if you're that annoyed at people getting respecs comment or sign the no respec petition or just go back to where you came from Points to mordor Face it, this "petition" is a farce, anyway. Can't really take it seriously when the numbers are so obviously padded with alts. Too bad, too. While I, personally, think FULL respecs would be a bad idea at this time, I would be curious to see just how many people legitimately ARE in favor. But, I would like a legitimate, ACCURATE number of PLAYERS, though, not some garbage petition whose numbers have been artificially inflated in a lame attempt to make it seem like there are more of you than there really are. Maybe then we can make some progress on this issue, instead of going around and around in circles, repeating and rehashing the same old excuses and arguements over and over and over again.
dday3six Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 169	Posted - 2013.08.04 20:57:00 - [360] - Quote Visala Telephia wrote: dday3six wrote: Karl Koekwaus wrote: Hell no. Respecs go against the very being of the EVE universe, which is 'your actions have consequences'. If you want to pew pew a bit in a game without this, I think Battlefield or COD are both catering to your playstyle. You can change all the weapons all the time in them. Also, stuff gets balanced all the time. Deal with it and play what you like to play instead of what is the fotm build. This way you won't rage on some internet forums when some numbers get fiddled with for the good of the game. How is a person suppose to interpret the consequences of their actions, if they don't have all the variables, and even further if those variables are subject to continual, radical changes. With the example of the CalLogi, it was very obvious that suit's bonus would either be lessened or outright changed, but the CPU decrease come out of left field surprising several people. What if in 1.4's infantry rebalance all suits got a decrease in CPU and PG? How could players have planned for that? Now I agree that if respecs were offered too often it would throw out consequence. I advocate 1 respec a year with 1 addition AUR respec available in the same time frame. So 2 a year if a players is willing/able to pay for the second. Personally I feel this is a fair comprise because it allows for respecs, but also gives them consequence as they are not readily available. This too is part of EVE was the point the person you replied to was trying to make. Each expansion of EVE sees rebalances to various ship types, introduction of new game mechanics or ships and many other things. Suddenly, if something doesn't work anymore, players figure out what does work, or how to adapt their old strategies to new mechanics or ship types. If this means taking a new skill line, so be it. In EVE, one of the most important things to train isn't a specific ship class. Its core skills. And the same holds true in DUST. Train all of your dropsuit upgrade skills that confer passive bonuses first, then go focusing on getting into proto suits. You'll find it much less painful when you can fit a lot more to a weaker suit. Ultimately, its just a matter of accepting reality, putting on your best smile, and finding enjoyment even in the midst of confusion. I really am sorry for everyone who specced into terrible things or things that were nerfed, and I feel that what we need isn't a respec. We need PvE. Something to do to experiment without as high a risk of loss and to gain the SP that is vital to do things in PvP. Just like in EVE. Additionally, DUST needs EVE's actual skill system. EVE uses attributes to determine the training speed of a skill, and these attributes can be enhanced with implants, for faster training. The major thing is that... each skill uses two attributes to determine how fast it trains. A primary and a secondary. And... EVE players get a remap of their attributes each year, so that they can quickly shift their training focus into new skill types. New players get three remaps to start. If DUST had the same skill system, the passive training would feel meaningful enough that people might just be willing to turn the game off for a week, or to just casually play while they speedgrind through the SP via passive training for whatever their focus is. EVE has much more to do than Dust. Dust is a simply lobby shooter currently, PVP's not merely a central focus, it's the only focus, and it's highly unlikely even in the future players will be able to only be an Industrialist in Dust. So while it's true that Dust could greatly benefit from PVE, it's also important to note that gameplay is always going to be more limited in scope with Dust in comparison to EVE. So a one size fits all approach of what works for EVE must therefore work for Dust is haphazard. The biggest problem is that Dust is a free to play business model, and while EVE Online is sort of a hybrid between subscription and cash items, the majority of it's revenue comes from sub fees. This is the most glaring issue with trying to change the skilltree and character progession of Dust, because it's designed to maximize revenue gain from cash items. So while EVE does have a good progress system, the same system cannot transfer as well to Dust. While I agree that core upgrades are important, you're talking about nearly a year's worth of SP, if you trained all skills which have passive bonuses to 5. It's much better for a player to take what they need for the fit/s they wish to run.



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