After thinking it over and my Ill feelings towards all of you flavor the players has been subdued somewhat. I've come to look at this situation a little more logically.

I now retract my statement about No further respecs. While I still would love to see all those Cal logi's and FoTM players suffer to the highest degree. I believe that changing the attributes and aspects of certain items or suits that quite possible played a huge role in someone's decision to invest SP into it deserves nothing less that a refund of all invested SP into that suit or item.

+1 For Respec

StillHateYouAll

While it's actually a good thing that you don't reduce yay sayers on this issue to FOTM chasers anymore, if the only argument against respecs you can think of is an Ad hominem than you must not have thought about it very deeply to begin with.

There have been countless threads on this explaining in detail why respecs are very very bad for this game. None of which have been acknowledged, let alone adressed anywhere in this thread although they are just one search away.

This whole thread is heavily one sided because it is very easy to just demand something without any consideration of the possible downsides. I quite hard and tiring to explain the other position when no one is really interested in hearing any of this. More so when we have to repeat ourselves on a daily basis because there's always a new thread on this somewhere with the same people claiming that there are no arguments against it.

behind me*

only bump if this thread isn't on the first page, but don't actually say " bump "

hm ill tell you what i wont bump anymore..but im not letting this post die..ccp you may have said no..but your playerbase has spoken.....LET THERE BE RESPECS!

I too want this thread to survive but soldier you have to tone it down a bit I don't want anything happing to this thread ok? Great enthusasim though

THE MASSES HAVE SPOKEN....GIVE US OUR REPEC CCP OR DIE!!!!

I can just hope CCP knows that the Argumentum ad Populum is a classic fallacy.

THE MASSES HAVE SPOKEN....GIVE US OUR REPEC CCP OR DIE!!!!

It will depend if CCP thinks that the majority are more profitable than the smaller group of people for DUST514.

PS: It's cool that you're aware of your fallacies, but pointing out fallacies is not really helpful to get a point across.

It also depents on wether this "majority" is real, merely perceived or even contrived. As i've said in an earlier post i've stopped engaging in every single respec thread because arguing against it seems to be much more work arguing in favour of it. Especially since the half life of your everage respec thread is about 6hours if not forcefully kept alive like this one. Those against respecs have to repeat themselves constantly. It starts to feel like a waste of time really when i see people i have debated with jump on every respec thread they can find repeating arguments i have challenged and sometimes refuted on more than one occasion.

I imagine quite a few people to feel the same and others not to raise contra on the forums because they have no issue and thus don't visit the forums to begin with. That is incidentily one of the reasons why the argumentum ad populum is deemed a fallacy. You can make any position seem like the majority, sound or not.

The PS. is actually correct. Argumentum ad logicam can be fallacious in itself (fallception ).

that escalated quickly again we all want respecs but lets be polite about it so what you really ment was
THE MASSES HAVE SPOKEN....GIVE US OUR REPEC CCP OR DIE!!!!OF FRIENDSHIP. bro you don't want to threaten the guys possibly giving the respec no matter how silly or outrageous

Why the heck do players think you want to spec out of the Caldari Logi? I got it because it had more slots so I can fit and experiment with other builds for a SUPPORT LOGISTICS. I only want a respec because I've leveled up parts of my core skills that are useless and cost me like 4mil SP.

Haha the list is growing.
Maybe one way CCP could solve this all is have say one or two optional respecs a year or something. Similar to how it is in eve. Then (Give us notice as to when) drop the first one of these yearly respecs in the coming weeks after 1.3? How about that?

Haha the list is growing.
Maybe one way CCP could solve this all is have say one or two optional respecs a year or something. Similar to how it is in eve. Then (Give us notice as to when) drop the first one of these yearly respecs in the coming weeks after 1.3? How about that?

Neural remaps are not respecs!

Neural remaps are given out once a year but only allow to change your attributes. Those have a (limited) impact on how fast certain types of skills can be trained. It has no effect on your current SP and provides no instantaneous change whatsoever.

Misleading comparison is misleading.

Those who mislead us will be purged....