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Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2194	Posted - 2015.01.27 22:01:00 - [28081] - Quote Oh snap! So Warlords looks interesting. Disappointed I didn't see P2P market place or any kind of PvE to fall back on when the MU system inevitably fails. I am a little confused on how this is gonna work in terms of combining efforts with corp buddies for warbarge stuff. Where's our pirate warbarge? Also, yay Mustard! I've had little interaction with him and last time we squadded I was just having a terrible day and he probably thinks I'm a low grade blueberry (a reasonable call). But short of Shotty I can't think of anyone better suited. I may deep around for a bit and see how rusty I am today, looking into getting one of the apex suits (gal assault, Min scout maybe) if anybody wants to drag my dumb ass through some FW. We'll bang, OK?
Samantha Hunyz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2015.01.27 22:01:00 - [28082] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: myofibs and back pedal speed up next. on a related question, since you are intimately familiar with fast movement. I have been playing BF again, 4, and there is a certain freedom, if you will, in all movement, jumping, aiming, shooting , running. Can any one, tell me, or do basic research on comparative walk speeds, jump height, camera movement, ie,pitch and yaw speed, run speed as a % of walk speed. I am trying to figure out if there is a sweet spot, that we can get too by increasing forward walk speed overall. Don't base it off of Scouts though, but if you tell me scouts are closer to bf4 than assaults, then that helps. Can you for once think about snipers before you go and tweak any form of speed please? I know that other games feel more fluid for walking and jumping, but those games also give aim assist to all weapons to make up for harder to hit targets. In its current form sniping players is already rough as nobody stand still, and us snipers are confined to using only one of the two movement sticks, while being incompletely immobile and in danger of counter attacks. I believe increasing any speeds at this time would require aim assist added to every weapon to compensate for hard to track strafe dance we currently have. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6112	Posted - 2015.01.27 22:04:00 - [28083] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Where's our pirate warbarge? Soon :-) Trello says Q2, though it looks like Raiding may have been moved back a 'bit: https://trello.com/b/R44szWCe/dust-514-development-roadmap Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7448	Posted - 2015.01.27 22:14:00 - [28084] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Oh snap! So Warlords looks interesting. Disappointed I didn't see P2P market place or any kind of PvE to fall back on when the MU system inevitably fails. I am a little confused on how this is gonna work in terms of combining efforts with corp buddies for warbarge stuff. Where's our pirate warbarge? Also, yay Mustard! I've had little interaction with him and last time we squadded I was just having a terrible day and he probably thinks I'm a low grade blueberry (a reasonable call). But short of Shotty I can't think of anyone better suited. I may deep around for a bit and see how rusty I am today, looking into getting one of the apex suits (gal assault, Min scout maybe) if anybody wants to drag my dumb ass through some FW. I think of warbarges like Voltron. We each have our own mini warbarge that will be combined with all the other warbarges in the corp to make a large one. That could be wishful thinking on my part, but I enjoy the idea. I was also rusty the last time I played. I would suggest not going on tilt like I do. I get angry, then get dumber, then angrier, and the cycle continues. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7449	Posted - 2015.01.27 22:31:00 - [28085] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: myofibs and back pedal speed up next. on a related question, since you are intimately familiar with fast movement. I have been playing BF again, 4, and there is a certain freedom, if you will, in all movement, jumping, aiming, shooting , running. Can any one, tell me, or do basic research on comparative walk speeds, jump height, camera movement, ie,pitch and yaw speed, run speed as a % of walk speed. I am trying to figure out if there is a sweet spot, that we can get too by increasing forward walk speed overall. Don't base it off of Scouts though, but if you tell me scouts are closer to bf4 than assaults, then that helps. Can you for once think about snipers before you go and tweak any form of speed please? I know that other games feel more fluid for walking and jumping, but those games also give aim assist to all weapons to make up for harder to hit targets. In its current form sniping players is already rough as nobody stand still, and us snipers are confined to using only one of the two movement sticks, while being incompletely immobile and in danger of counter attacks. I believe increasing any speeds at this time would require aim assist added to every weapon to compensate for hard to track strafe dance we currently have. I came into this game during open beta about 2 years ago as a sniper. Speeds were MUCH higher then than they are now. Granted, the sniping game was in a much better place, and rendering was much less an issue, but I never found speed to be an issue. I always led my target, and let them run into my recticle. Sniping isn't easy, and isn't supposed to be. I think my biggest problem with it at this point is that the zoom on the scope is not enough, and now you are trying to snipe a small target with a small recticle, and the rendering issue. Speed I think should not really be taken into consideration. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6113	Posted - 2015.01.27 22:53:00 - [28086] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: myofibs and back pedal speed up next. on a related question, since you are intimately familiar with fast movement. I have been playing BF again, 4, and there is a certain freedom, if you will, in all movement, jumping, aiming, shooting , running. Can any one, tell me, or do basic research on comparative walk speeds, jump height, camera movement, ie,pitch and yaw speed, run speed as a % of walk speed. I am trying to figure out if there is a sweet spot, that we can get too by increasing forward walk speed overall. Don't base it off of Scouts though, but if you tell me scouts are closer to bf4 than assaults, then that helps. Can you for once think about snipers before you go and tweak any form of speed please? I know that other games feel more fluid for walking and jumping, but those games also give aim assist to all weapons to make up for harder to hit targets. In its current form sniping players is already rough as nobody stand still, and us snipers are confined to using only one of the two movement sticks, while being incompletely immobile and in danger of counter attacks. I believe increasing any speeds at this time would require aim assist added to every weapon to compensate for hard to track strafe dance we currently have. I'd personally love to see movement/strafe acceleration tuned to the extent that "wiggling" is done away with. @ OEK Must vouch for Samantha. Not taking sides; only pointing out that she's an Original Bastard and that she knows her craft. Joined Scout Registry in 1.4 or 1.5 (if I recall correctly) as a Scout Sniper. Even as a newbro, her stats kept pace (kills and KDR) with those of vets like Tyjus, Kodho and Keeriam. Good shooter without question. Bullheaded, but a good shooter :-) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21359	Posted - 2015.01.27 23:39:00 - [28087] - Quote Would reducing backpedal speed not reduce the effectiveness of ring strafers? It's a pretty common form of strafing as well. *Vote 'Keshava' for a new Gallente vehicle name!* Gallente Guide to DUST
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1931	Posted - 2015.01.27 23:41:00 - [28088] - Quote ARR is all about that hip fire (Ambush Gal Assault) The arr works so flipping well with the gal assault. Hip fire from close to mid, prefiring when possible. Only time ads happens is when they are some distance away. 0XD i like the wiggle wiggle lol Agreeing with sam, even though I just started using the sniper weeks ago. Hitting a moving target is already pretty hard lol. No one that has been playing this game enough to be in an advance suit stops completely. I tend to sit there and snipe saying. "Come on you are tired, i know you are. Just take a lil break". They never listen though TLDR : I lied, I have at least 3 more.
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2194	Posted - 2015.01.27 23:46:00 - [28089] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: ARR is all about that hip fire (Ambush Gal Assault) The arr works so flipping well with the gal assault. Hip fire from close to mid, prefiring when possible. Only time ads happens is when they are some distance away. 0XD i like the wiggle wiggle lol Agreeing with sam, even though I just started using the sniper weeks ago. Hitting a moving target is already pretty hard lol. No one that has been playing this game enough to be in an advance suit stops completely. I tend to sit there and snipe saying. "Come on you are tired, i know you are. Just take a lil break". They never listen though Want a massive buff for snipers? Must be frozen while Hacking, the wiggle while hacking a CRU, Supply Depot or what have you is just plain stupid. We'll bang, OK?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7452	Posted - 2015.01.27 23:50:00 - [28090] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Would reducing backpedal speed not reduce the effectiveness of ring strafers? It's a pretty common form of strafing as well. I think it depends on how they strafe. If they are strictly moving to the side, while pivoting in order to circle strafe then it wouldn't have any effect. If they are moving backwards while pivoting in order to strafe then it definitely would be effected. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6114	Posted - 2015.01.28 00:18:00 - [28091] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: "Come on you are tired, i know you are. Just take a lil break". lmao Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1934	Posted - 2015.01.28 00:22:00 - [28092] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: J0LLY R0G3R wrote: ARR is all about that hip fire (Ambush Gal Assault) The arr works so flipping well with the gal assault. Hip fire from close to mid, prefiring when possible. Only time ads happens is when they are some distance away. 0XD i like the wiggle wiggle lol Agreeing with sam, even though I just started using the sniper weeks ago. Hitting a moving target is already pretty hard lol. No one that has been playing this game enough to be in an advance suit stops completely. I tend to sit there and snipe saying. "Come on you are tired, i know you are. Just take a lil break". They never listen though Want a massive buff for snipers? Must be frozen while Hacking, the wiggle while hacking a CRU, Supply Depot or what have you is just plain stupid. Also, what's that build you're running Jolly? Mind throwing it into proto fits? I'm looking into getting my next suit so it's either Galmando or Galassault Massive? nah start saying massive for anything and people go up in arms lol. Frozen while hacking a console would = make those consoles that have a lil bridge or rooftop looking at the console even harder to recapture. I still think some small reduction in how long it takes you to acquire a target while sniping being the key to being what makes the sniper awesome. Yeah i'll pop it on protofits tomorrow so I can make sure I get it correct. TLDR : I lied, I have at least 3 more.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge 2793	Posted - 2015.01.28 01:11:00 - [28093] - Quote Ah, the Barbershop. Missed ya did ye? No? Not even a week gone? Well, you can stop now. Jokes aside, I must say I am a truly horrid scout when I look at others and even myself in an Assault. Any tips for my shotgun scout? (Calscout C/1, Mlt Sidearm dmg mods, ADV cloak, ADV shotgun, Locus, and of course... ADV NKs) *Keshava for Gallente Vehicle!* . a+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë a+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8003	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:42:00 - [28094] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Would reducing backpedal speed not reduce the effectiveness of ring strafers? It's a pretty common form of strafing as well. It's definitely going to hurt Armor Tankers, that's for certain. Lot of armor tankers rely on the faster forward/backward motion because their strafe speed is so slow. I'm still against reducing backward speed, need some hardcore convincing that isn't "So Nova Knifers autowin". Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6116	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:42:00 - [28095] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Ah, the Barbershop. Missed ya did ye? No? Not even a week gone? Well, you can stop now. Jokes aside, I must say I am a truly horrid scout when I look at others and even myself in an Assault. Any tips for my shotgun scout? (Calscout C/1, Mlt Sidearm dmg mods, ADV cloak, ADV shotgun, Locus, and of course... ADV NKs) Here's what I'd recommend: Scout C/1 HS: Cmp Precision, Enh Shield Ext, Cmp Shield Ext LS: Cmp Damp, Cmp KinCat PW: CRG-3 SW: Std Bolt GR: M1 Locus EQ: Std Cloak, Std Remote Bad idea to run two weapons with a 5m range. Unless you're Jolly. Alos, no point pairing a Militia Dmg Mod with a Shotgun. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7456	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:52:00 - [28096] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Would reducing backpedal speed not reduce the effectiveness of ring strafers? It's a pretty common form of strafing as well. It's definitely going to hurt Armor Tankers, that's for certain. Lot of armor tankers rely on the faster forward/backward motion because their strafe speed is so slow. I'm still against reducing backward speed, need some hardcore convincing that isn't "So Nova Knifers autowin". Vs the auto win because of the HP disparity otherwise? Knives have so little AA you might as well say its non existant. With EWAR changes, not only can Assaults beat scout passive scans, but there is nothing that any scout can do to evade short range scans within NK range. Name another shooter that has forward and backwards motion at the same speed? If a knifing scout gets the drop on you, and you can't take them out before they kill you, you deserve to go down. Assaults aren't in the weak spot they once were. They shouldn't have the advantage over scouts in every situation. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6116	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:53:00 - [28097] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I'm still against reducing backward speed, need some hardcore convincing that isn't "So Nova Knifers autowin". https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2557950#post2557950 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2558065#post2558065 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2558406#post2558406 Here a few reasons why from guys who use knives. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge 2795	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:55:00 - [28098] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Ah, the Barbershop. Missed ya did ye? No? Not even a week gone? Well, you can stop now. Jokes aside, I must say I am a truly horrid scout when I look at others and even myself in an Assault. Any tips for my shotgun scout? (Calscout C/1, Mlt Sidearm dmg mods, ADV cloak, ADV shotgun, Locus, and of course... ADV NKs) Here's what I'd recommend: Scout C/1 HS: Cmp Precision, Enh Shield Ext, Cmp Shield Ext LS: Cmp Damp, Cmp KinCat PW: CRG-3 SW: Std Bolt GR: M1 Locus EQ: Std Cloak, Std Remote Bad idea to run two weapons with a 5m range. Unless you're Jolly. Alos, no point pairing a Militia Dmg Mod with a Shotgun. Well... Call me Jolly. I run it for my knives, two even at mlt are still amazing to me. I am used to running with only around 7m range, always cloaking is useful. *Keshava for Gallente Vehicle!* . a+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë a+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+¬a¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6116	Posted - 2015.01.28 02:57:00 - [28099] - Quote My mistake, Raven. I thought you were looking for advice. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1056	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:06:00 - [28100] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Would reducing backpedal speed not reduce the effectiveness of ring strafers? It's a pretty common form of strafing as well. It's definitely going to hurt Armor Tankers, that's for certain. Lot of armor tankers rely on the faster forward/backward motion because their strafe speed is so slow. I'm still against reducing backward speed, need some hardcore convincing that isn't "So Nova Knifers autowin". Im with you on this one. I have to start off with flux or ar and switch to smg to finish off sentinels fast. I thought that was the tactic of the game of shield and armor. But I guess if you have NK you do not have to use tactics of changing weapons. You only need the single weapon. They use the excuse after 1st hit the target jumps and backpedals and they can not catch up quick enough. I call that BS because they can switch to another weapon the same as anyone else that REALLY wants to get the kill would. If they have NK's in both weapon slots or no other weapon then I guess they are not very smart in the first place. If they make backpedal slower then I think they should nerf the alpha dmg of NK's and shotguns to go with it. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6116	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:13:00 - [28101] - Quote @ Void When has this Community ever asked for free pass? Why would we want knifing to be easy? We just got rid of the FoTM chasers (... excluding that Raven guy :P ). Seriously, the last thing anyone here wants is a reverse-exodus. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 1455	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:21:00 - [28102] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Void When has this Community ever asked for free pass? Why would we want knifing to be easy? We just got rid of the FoTM chasers (... excluding that Raven guy :P ). Seriously though, the last thing anyone here wants is a reverse-exodus. If I thought it'd make knifing easy or OP, I'd oppose it without second thought. Just like with Sprint Charge, which the vast majority of us have opposed since 1.8. This. If knives became OP I would probably stop using them. I want them to be the same little hard mode niche weapons that they've always been. I also want them to be fair and fun to use. Therefore: Death to 100% backpedal speed! Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7456	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:26:00 - [28103] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Would reducing backpedal speed not reduce the effectiveness of ring strafers? It's a pretty common form of strafing as well. It's definitely going to hurt Armor Tankers, that's for certain. Lot of armor tankers rely on the faster forward/backward motion because their strafe speed is so slow. I'm still against reducing backward speed, need some hardcore convincing that isn't "So Nova Knifers autowin". Im with you on this one. I have to start off with flux or ar and switch to smg to finish off sentinels fast. I thought that was the tactic of the game of shield and armor. But I guess if you have NK you do not have to use tactics of changing weapons. You only need the single weapon. They use the excuse after 1st hit the target jumps and backpedals and they can not catch up quick enough. I call that BS because they can switch to another weapon the same as anyone else that REALLY wants to get the kill would. If they have NK's in both weapon slots or no other weapon then I guess they are not very smart in the first place. If they make backpedal slower then I think they should nerf the alpha dmg of NK's and shotguns to go with it. How do you figure? The alpha damage of shotguns and NKs are what make scouts viable in an FPS where they have significantly less HP than their counterpart. I run 200 to 300 HP max, and you want me to go toe to toe with an Assault that has twice the HP or more? That isn't the role. The role is to ambush, and to be able to better wield high alpha weapons better than the other suits. If we miss, if we are spotted, if we try and go head to head, we should be dead. If they wear 1 Precision Enhancer, I can't beat their passive scans in short range unless I use 2 Complex Damps and a Proto Cloak, and trying to do that with the delay right within short range is just insane. How anyone can defend backpedal speed as it currently is boggles my mind. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1056	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:31:00 - [28104] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Void When has this Community ever asked for free pass? Why would we want knifing to be easy? We just got rid of the FoTM chasers (... excluding that Raven guy :P ). Seriously, the last thing anyone here wants is a reverse-exodus. I don't think anyone wants a free pass. In all fairness I would prefer slower backpedal speeds just because it makes sense that backpedal speed be the slowest. It is the reason that so many scouts are asking for it as if they are logi crippled with only 1 weapon slot. I see plenty of scouts everyday with NK and shotguns that after missing attempt at their range on me pulls out a ranged weapon and kills me. Those scouts had no problem with my backpedal speed because they used 2nd weapon to make up for it. Just as I make up for not having alpha dmg by using flux and 2 different HP type weapons. To me a scout asking for slower backpedal without offering to give up some of the alpha dmg would be like me asking for all players to only have 1 HP type so I do not have to use 2 HP dmg weapons but still able to carry both HP types weapons. slower backpedal speed will bring out even more wanting scout nerfed to sidearm only or shotgun/nk nerfs and I would not blame them for asking for either If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6118	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:37:00 - [28105] - Quote voidfaction wrote: slower backpedal speed will bring out even more wanting scout nerfed to sidearm only or shotgun/nk nerfs and I would not blame them for asking for either Let's assume, hypothetically, that a backpedal speed reduction were implemented and made knifing and/or shotgunning too easy. A quick fix for the problem would be to tune falloff such that inner rings allow for an extended "early warning" period. Better yet, reverse the nerf to Range Extenders such that players can opt to equip a module which helps them react to unseen CQC threats more readily. Balance is process. It's about give and take. If fixing backpedal speed were to fudge up something else, you can bet we'd propose and support appropriate corrective actions. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1056	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:42:00 - [28106] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: voidfaction wrote: slower backpedal speed will bring out even more wanting scout nerfed to sidearm only or shotgun/nk nerfs and I would not blame them for asking for either Let's assume, hypothetically, that a backpedal speed reduction were implemented and made knifing and/or shotgunning too easy. A quick fix for the problem would be to tune falloff such that inner rings allow for an extended "early warning" period. Better yet, reverse the nerf to Range Extenders such that players can opt to equip a module which helps them react to unseen CQC threats more readily. Balance is process. It's about give and take. If fixing backpedal speed were to fudge up something else, you can bet we'd propose and support appropriate corrective actions. what good is early warning when you are already in the kill zone and can not escape it. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6121	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:52:00 - [28107] - Quote voidfaction wrote: what good is early warning when you are already the kill zone and can not escape it. I escape it all the time. And win more often than not. I'd estimate I instaspin/gib 3+ knifers for every 1 who gets the drop on me proper. Shotgunners who get the drop on me have slightly better odds (I'd say just under 50:50). So long as I'm moving (which is the norm) they're always on my minimap for a good 'bit before they strike. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7459	Posted - 2015.01.28 03:59:00 - [28108] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: voidfaction wrote: slower backpedal speed will bring out even more wanting scout nerfed to sidearm only or shotgun/nk nerfs and I would not blame them for asking for either Let's assume, hypothetically, that a backpedal speed reduction were implemented and made knifing and/or shotgunning too easy. A quick fix for the problem would be to tune falloff such that inner rings allow for an extended "early warning" period. Better yet, reverse the nerf to Range Extenders such that players can opt to equip a module which helps them react to unseen CQC threats more readily. Balance is process. It's about give and take. If fixing backpedal speed were to fudge up something else, you can bet we'd propose and support appropriate corrective actions. what good is early warning when you are already in the kill zone and can not escape it. As opposed to when I am caught in the open and have no cover to get out of the way of someone with any kind of rifle or even an HMG from 50m out? This game is meant to have people with strengths and advantages. If a 200 HP scout can't be reasonably expected to be able to kill any other suits given any circumstances, why even have them in game? I get no warning if a sniper has a bead on me, or anyone else carrying anything else for that matter. Does that mean I shouldn't have to die because its unfair? I honestly don't get the point of this or how you think this is remotely OP. Its not like we are saying they can't fire their weapon while moving backwards or that they should only move half as fast backwards... I even use this against shotgun scouts, and will probably die more often than the extra kills I get with the changes. The bottom line is that in any number of circumstances backwards speed equaling forwards speed is a broken mechanic that is exploitable, whether it is against NKers, or Assault vs HMG when the heavy is able to catch the Assault unaware. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1056	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:15:00 - [28109] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: voidfaction wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: voidfaction wrote: slower backpedal speed will bring out even more wanting scout nerfed to sidearm only or shotgun/nk nerfs and I would not blame them for asking for either Let's assume, hypothetically, that a backpedal speed reduction were implemented and made knifing and/or shotgunning too easy. A quick fix for the problem would be to tune falloff such that inner rings allow for an extended "early warning" period. Better yet, reverse the nerf to Range Extenders such that players can opt to equip a module which helps them react to unseen CQC threats more readily. Balance is process. It's about give and take. If fixing backpedal speed were to fudge up something else, you can bet we'd propose and support appropriate corrective actions. what good is early warning when you are already in the kill zone and can not escape it. As opposed to when I am caught in the open and have no cover to get out of the way of someone with any kind of rifle or even an HMG from 50m out? This game is meant to have people with strengths and advantages. If a 200 HP scout can't be reasonably expected to be able to kill any other suits given any circumstances, why even have them in game? I get no warning if a sniper has a bead on me, or anyone else carrying anything else for that matter. Does that mean I shouldn't have to die because its unfair? I honestly don't get the point of this or how you think this is remotely OP. Its not like we are saying they can't fire their weapon while moving backwards or that they should only move half as fast backwards... I even use this against shotgun scouts, and will probably die more often than the extra kills I get with the changes. The bottom line is that in any number of circumstances backwards speed equaling forwards speed is a broken mechanic that is exploitable, whether it is against NKers, or Assault vs HMG when the heavy is able to catch the Assault unaware. I know it is logical for backpedal speed to be slower. I agree with that. If that is the reason then say that. Don't use the reason of the scout needs a way to quickly catch up to kill with NK/shotgun BS. An already faster scout is unable to switch to a longer range weapons until they get into closer range vs a backpedaling target. (so many are able to do this to me). So that reason is just garbage to me. To me that is a scout that just thinks they should not have to carry 2 weapons so they can have more cpu/pg for complex kincats, shield extenders, and RE's If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
Samantha Hunyz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 132	Posted - 2015.01.28 04:16:00 - [28110] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I came into this game during open beta about 2 years ago as a sniper. Speeds were MUCH higher then than they are now. Granted, the sniping game was in a much better place, and rendering was much less an issue, but I never found speed to be an issue. I always led my target, and let them run into my recticle. Sniping isn't easy, and isn't supposed to be. I think my biggest problem with it at this point is that the zoom on the scope is not enough, and now you are trying to snipe a small target with a small recticle, and the rendering issue. Speed I think should not really be taken into consideration. Scout speed was faster before yes, but player wiggle was less frequent. Not to mention there used to be a ton of slow tanked logis, not these wannabe scout sped up ones of the present. Snipers used to be effective counters for the heavies and logis alike. Now CCP wants to possible speed up all players to make movement easier for the whole game. Kinkat strafing heavies are already somewhat of a pain, wait till they get this strafe buff while the shooting mechanics of sniping are still prehistoric beta. up to and through 1.4 getting 16 kills per game was not an issue. 1.5 brought bad rendering and hit detection. A little later and the whole player base decided to turn this game into Dance Dance Revolution. In the end, it doesn't matter to me where this game heads, but every patch that puts snipers further behind reduces my appeal to play this game. If CCP could at least remove the sway from the left stick while crouched I could see playing this game full time again and look for a competive corp to join, even with a speed increase. Every other fraking class gets two thumb sticks to aim with. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.



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