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Vitantur Nothus wrote:

@ Llast

Presently paying for past sins. Left the 3rd coat of varnish to off-gas while we traveled last week. Returned to find vertical surfaces beautiful, but the horizontal table top less so. The surface was uniformly wavy (brushmarks?) and sufficiently cloudy to obscure the underlying grain (see left half, Image B below) ...

Mistakes were Made
Sin #1. Failed to thin early coats of spar varnish; should've probably cut first coat 50/50 with mineral spirits and progressed upward. Sin #2. Used satin throughout; should've probably used a higher gloss for base coats and waited to topcoat with satin; I'm thinking this would've kept the finish clear as clear as possible while still meeting the wife's "not too shiny" demand. Sin #3. You were absolutely right about the steelwool; sanded between coats using #0000 instead of 220/320; thinking the surface waviness has more to do with insufficient sanding between coats than brushmarks. Perhaps both.

Battle Plan
I intend to sand through as much of the surface waviness as possible. Hand sanded once with 220, wiped down with mineral spirits and sanded again with 320. I can now see the grain again. The waviness remains though it somewhat less pronounced. Intend to continue hand sanding at 320; thinking another pass or two should suffice.

Just in case brushmarks are to blame for the waviness, I purchased a lambswool applicator yesterday. Thinking I'll thin my finish by 20% for a smoother application, then see how it looks in the morning. I'd like my topcoat to be full strength, but not at the expense of cloudy or -- heavens forbid-- gloppy finish. If it looks good after the 80/20 I might leave it at good enough. Unless you tell me not to :-)

Do you think I'm on the right track here? Any pro tips you'd care to part with?

A. Base (finished!): http://i.imgur.com/m3b9EiI.png
B. 1st Sanding Pass (220): http://i.imgur.com/3RbezK5.jpg
C. 2nd Sanding Pass (320): http://i.imgur.com/QCh70av.jpg <--- current

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Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1503	Posted - 2015.01.05 22:50:00 - [27241] - Quote @ Llast In followup to Post # #27195 After six sanding passes, the tabletop is finally smooth and free of brush-strokes (or whatever those damn ripples were). Not sure how much varnish I took off, but I did manage to burn an edge ( >_<) ... but at least the surface is smooth. 6th Sanding Pass (3rd at 220, 4th-6th 320): http://i.imgur.com/pGtO6Vt.jpg Called product info hotline for thoughts on thinning Man o War and/or preventing a repeat of whatever caused the rippling. Mentioned that I was wiping with mineral spirits. She advised not thin (or even wipe) with mineral spirits, recommending that I apply the product only at 100% varnish. She couldn't tell me why by "we recommend against using mineral spirits with this product."
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6998	Posted - 2015.01.05 23:06:00 - [27242] - Quote Insert completely unnecessary post about Quil spending copious amounts of time varnishing his wood here Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3393	Posted - 2015.01.05 23:08:00 - [27243] - Quote Been having fun pseudo-scouting in this fit. Its the best SG fit I've ever run, which is saying something. It SURVIVES. I can run straight at people and kill them. Its ridiculous. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/10803 "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 7319	Posted - 2015.01.05 23:43:00 - [27244] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Been having fun pseudo-scouting in this fit. Its the best SG fit I've ever run, which is saying something. It SURVIVES. I can run straight at people and kill them. Its ridiculous. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/10803 You could also swap the damp for another reg, ya know for a more combat focused shotty. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2418	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:31:00 - [27245] - Quote Why has every match this week been my team getting stomped and then spawnkilling in our own homespawn? I even gave up on laying uplinks as everytime there is a proto sent camping it... Well, this really makes me want to quit ze DUST. You better not cry. You'd better not pout, I'm telling you why. Raven Claws is coming to town! I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
voidfaction Nos Nothi 928	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:03:00 - [27246] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Why has every match this week been my team getting stomped and then spawnkilling in our own homespawn? I even gave up on laying uplinks as everytime there is a proto sent camping it... Well, this really makes me want to quit ze DUST. I will take proto sentinels spawn camping over 3+ proto uplinks on EVERY rooftop I just keep telling myself PS2 will be here soon. Been telling myself that for over a year, lol If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2133	Posted - 2015.01.06 10:28:00 - [27247] - Quote More Kerbal insanity http://imgur.com/a/WZm02 We'll bang, OK?
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 7321	Posted - 2015.01.06 11:27:00 - [27248] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Why has every match this week been my team getting stomped and then spawnkilling in our own homespawn? I even gave up on laying uplinks as everytime there is a proto sent camping it... Well, this really makes me want to quit ze DUST. At least you aren't forced to fight a 16 man Alliance team. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1511	Posted - 2015.01.06 14:44:00 - [27249] - Quote Happy Face So! Put money where mouth is and bought a respec yesterday. SP wasted on AM Scout no more! I was motivated to drop the unused suit, but truth be told, I was itching for a Commando mk.0 ... and it has proven to be quite the fun suit to run. I now love to reload my weapon; haven't played CoD for a couple years now, but it feels just like the old Sleight of Hand perk. Sad Face Couldn't quite afford the respec with AUR on hand. Figured if I spend a few bucks, maybe I can nudge this Loyalty Rank bar forward a 'bit. Poked about the market and picked something I hadn't bought yet (Veteran Pack). Sadly, this $50 purchase and subsequent respec did not advance me from Loyalty Rank 9 to 10. Thinking Loyalty Rank 9 to 10 would cost $150 to $200. Thinking I'll be Loyalty Rank 9 for some time to come.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1513	Posted - 2015.01.06 16:13:00 - [27250] - Quote Alas, Domination still blows. My shiny, new Minmando is fun, but it is unable to thin Coalition Latino's tank spam even with help from allied AV.

Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1259	Posted - 2015.01.06 17:46:00 - [27251] - Quote Dom will always be the worst designed game mode sadly. I really hope they change it so that the point moves to a different location every few minutes, but I'm not holding my breath. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6459	Posted - 2015.01.06 17:54:00 - [27252] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ Llast Presently paying for past sins. Left the 3rd coat of varnish to off-gas while we traveled last week. Returned to find vertical surfaces beautiful, but the horizontal table top less so. The surface was uniformly wavy (brushmarks?) and sufficiently cloudy to obscure the underlying grain (see left half, Image B below) ... Mistakes were Made Sin #1. Failed to thin early coats of spar varnish; should've probably cut first coat 50/50 with mineral spirits and progressed upward. Sin #2. Used satin throughout; should've probably used a higher gloss for base coats and waited to topcoat with satin; I'm thinking this would've kept the finish clear as clear as possible while still meeting the wife's "not too shiny" demand. Sin #3. You were absolutely right about the steelwool; sanded between coats using #0000 instead of 220/320; thinking the surface waviness has more to do with insufficient sanding between coats than brushmarks. Perhaps both. Battle Plan I intend to sand through as much of the surface waviness as possible. Hand sanded once with 220, wiped down with mineral spirits and sanded again with 320. I can now see the grain again. The waviness remains though it somewhat less pronounced. Intend to continue hand sanding at 320; thinking another pass or two should suffice. Just in case brushmarks are to blame for the waviness, I purchased a lambswool applicator yesterday. Thinking I'll thin my finish by 20% for a smoother application, then see how it looks in the morning. I'd like my topcoat to be full strength, but not at the expense of cloudy or -- heavens forbid-- gloppy finish. If it looks good after the 80/20 I might leave it at good enough. Unless you tell me not to :-) Do you think I'm on the right track here? Any pro tips you'd care to part with? A. Base (finished!): http://i.imgur.com/m3b9EiI.png B. 1st Sanding Pass (220): http://i.imgur.com/3RbezK5.jpg C. 2nd Sanding Pass (320): http://i.imgur.com/QCh70av.jpg <--- current Sorry for the delayed response At work and it is insanity this week (sadly due to my profession when i say it is insanity i mean it literally) On top of that I am starting a practicum, and a second position at my job all in the same week. Part of that new job may require me to pick Void and Spade's brains a little but I'll leave that to the subbasement. Okay to original challenge on the vertical surfaces could be caused by a few things. - Sloppy brush work, or a shite brushGÇª because you are using spar I would recommend a high end natural bristle brush. meaning a real animal hair brush. Purdy makes a very nice one specifically for clears. more split ends on the brush the betterGÇª or go THE LAMBSWOOLGÇª. seriously that is awesome stuff. Used a lambswool mop for finishing my floorsGÇª gorgeous finnish. -Recoat was to quickGÇª not likely the issue because you did not complain about tiny bubbles in the coating. (basing off gets trapped between coats. -Possible that the temperature/moisture level affected your finish. Given that you were travelling and the project appears to be in the garage, regulating heat/moisture may have caused some issues. You would see no problem on the horizontal surfaces, but you would see sagging and possibly fogging on the verticals. Caught soon enough and you could have done a thinner wipe to help. But Spar is slow dry quick cure. (Waterborne are quick dry slow cure. Dry is tack free, cured is hardness.) At this point it is elbow grease to get it all fixed up. I would sand and refinish with the lambswool. Best bet. I should have recommended a sanding sealer from the start (or makeshift sanding sealer through 50/50 mineral spirits/Satin finish. But i'm rusty. MOAR Ladders
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1951	Posted - 2015.01.06 17:59:00 - [27253] - Quote Proto minja is fun with proto breech ar I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6459	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:00:00 - [27254] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Dom will always be the worst designed game mode sadly. I really hope they change it so that the point moves to a different location every few minutes, but I'm not holding my breath. That would be interesting. I like Dom as it is i get lots of WP on Dom. Trick is just spiral in the entire map. Hacking and killing the fringe folk. It starts with hapless snipers and AV. WP galore MOAR Ladders
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6459	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:01:00 - [27255] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Proto minja is fun with proto breech ar MOAR Ladders
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1515	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:35:00 - [27256] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: At this point it is elbow grease to get it all fixed up. I would sand and refinish with the lambswool. Best bet. I should have recommended a sanding sealer from the start (or makeshift sanding sealer through 50/50 mineral spirits/Satin finish. But i'm rusty. Thanks a ton, Llast, and congrats on the new endeavor! Used a pricey brush (natural hair purdy, new) so I'm thinking the elements or my novice brushwork is to blame. Temp's been in the 50s and above, but humidity has seldom been below 50%. Sanded through my mistakes yesterday and applied another coat of varnish; brushed on at 100% strength. Here's what it looks like as of this morning: http://i.imgur.com/w0sDp11.png (not yet sanded). Definitely brush marks. Can't feel them like before, but plainly visible. Plan to sand 'em out with 220/320 once dry then try the lambswool. Mfg recommends against cutting the varnish, but I think I should anyway to help smooth out the finish (~20% ?). Also, any tips on preventing the lambswool from shedding?
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1951	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:35:00 - [27257] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: noob cavman wrote: Proto minja is fun with proto breech ar What? I still have knives aswell. And core locus... And remotes... Wanna play? I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1669	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:42:00 - [27258] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Alas, Domination still blows. My shiny, new Minmando is fun, but it is unable to thin Coalition Latino's tank spam even with help from allied AV. I play domination when I wanna have a smoke break. Just toss on my rep tool and injector and chase those heavies. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1951	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:57:00 - [27259] - Quote Can confirm jolly laughs in the corner whilst massdrivers spam doorways I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 2086	Posted - 2015.01.06 19:29:00 - [27260] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ Llast Presently paying for past sins. Left the 3rd coat of varnish to off-gas while we traveled last week. Returned to find vertical surfaces beautiful, but the horizontal table top less so. The surface was uniformly wavy (brushmarks?) and sufficiently cloudy to obscure the underlying grain (see left half, Image B below) ... Mistakes were Made Sin #1. Failed to thin early coats of spar varnish; should've probably cut first coat 50/50 with mineral spirits and progressed upward. Sin #2. Used satin throughout; should've probably used a higher gloss for base coats and waited to topcoat with satin; I'm thinking this would've kept the finish clear as clear as possible while still meeting the wife's "not too shiny" demand. Sin #3. You were absolutely right about the steelwool; sanded between coats using #0000 instead of 220/320; thinking the surface waviness has more to do with insufficient sanding between coats than brushmarks. Perhaps both. Battle Plan I intend to sand through as much of the surface waviness as possible. Hand sanded once with 220, wiped down with mineral spirits and sanded again with 320. I can now see the grain again. The waviness remains though it somewhat less pronounced. Intend to continue hand sanding at 320; thinking another pass or two should suffice. Just in case brushmarks are to blame for the waviness, I purchased a lambswool applicator yesterday. Thinking I'll thin my finish by 20% for a smoother application, then see how it looks in the morning. I'd like my topcoat to be full strength, but not at the expense of cloudy or -- heavens forbid-- gloppy finish. If it looks good after the 80/20 I might leave it at good enough. Unless you tell me not to :-) Do you think I'm on the right track here? Any pro tips you'd care to part with? A. Base (finished!): http://i.imgur.com/m3b9EiI.png B. 1st Sanding Pass (220): http://i.imgur.com/3RbezK5.jpg C. 2nd Sanding Pass (320): http://i.imgur.com/QCh70av.jpg <--- current Should have just used chalk paint My Youtube Biomassed Podcast

noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1959	Posted - 2015.01.06 21:40:00 - [27261] - Quote Got a respec I am now a minja, min assault panda and speed fattie. Also a gal scout still. And in 100k sp time a amarr proto assault I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1261	Posted - 2015.01.06 21:51:00 - [27262] - Quote ^ winmatar! Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5414	Posted - 2015.01.06 22:04:00 - [27263] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Got a respec I am now a minja, min assault panda and speed fattie. Also a gal scout still. And in 100k sp time a amarr proto assault Strange, but I've never even had the desire for a respec. Only once was it useful and that was when Uprising hit. The ones after that just irritated me. (Was there more than one after that? I don't even remember) I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2458	Posted - 2015.01.06 22:20:00 - [27264] - Quote Spademan wrote: noob cavman wrote: Got a respec I am now a minja, min assault panda and speed fattie. Also a gal scout still. And in 100k sp time a amarr proto assault Strange, but I've never even had the desire for a respec. Only once was it useful and that was when Uprising hit. The ones after that just irritated me. (Was there more than one after that? I don't even remember) > Tries to help AFW players win. > Gets TKed everytime. > Tries to get official FW channel > Denied. > Tries to play with MFW players. > They help me out. > Still have 11k LP in ALP > Still unsure of which I should fight for. Oh and I hated respecs. :p You better not cry. You'd better not pout, I'm telling you why. Raven Claws is coming to town! I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2458	Posted - 2015.01.06 22:35:00 - [27265] - Quote If 4 suits all used knives, each were a different racial suit. This would be the 'who has the most skill' chart. #1 - Amarr Scout. Really, knifing with this suit would be impressive. I've actually been wanting to finish up my CA and CS suits off so I can go AS. #2 - Caldari Scout. Less speed, less spots for Kincats, just less. #3 - Gallente Scout. Room for Kincats and Greens. #4 - Minmatar Scout. Faster, can use Kincats easily. Extremely fast stamina re-gen and a bonus that still doesn't make sense. My look on Apex scouts. #1 - Serpent. Cloak, Shotgun, REs. It's like a moving museum of past scout FotMs. #2 - Dragon, Just looks good and is very useful. #3 - Tiger, RE, NKs for some odd reason and a combat rifle. #4 - Hawk. I... I have no words to describe how terrible this scout is. You better not cry. You'd better not pout, I'm telling you why. Raven Claws is coming to town! I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7016	Posted - 2015.01.06 22:38:00 - [27266] - Quote Spademan wrote: noob cavman wrote: Got a respec I am now a minja, min assault panda and speed fattie. Also a gal scout still. And in 100k sp time a amarr proto assault Strange, but I've never even had the desire for a respec. Only once was it useful and that was when Uprising hit. The ones after that just irritated me. (Was there more than one after that? I don't even remember) Yes... The worst one ever. The 1.8 respec. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1671	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:27:00 - [27267] - Quote Realized I was about to proto the gal assault and I've only ran a gal asault 3 or 4 games so tossed the left over 800k into the minmatar assault. i likey my gal scout a bit more. maybe just more used to it. but the suit definitely is good at shotgunning not as good as running from tanks though I gotta say. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 7324	Posted - 2015.01.07 05:56:00 - [27268] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: noob cavman wrote: Proto minja is fun with proto breech ar My thoughts exactly. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2464	Posted - 2015.01.07 06:00:00 - [27269] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Llast 326 wrote: noob cavman wrote: Proto minja is fun with proto breech ar My thoughts exactly. -1 -5 -99 1 for Minja 5 for breach. 99 for spelling breach, breech. You better not cry. You'd better not pout, I'm telling you why. Raven Claws is coming to town! I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1529	Posted - 2015.01.07 06:07:00 - [27270] - Quote Branching out a 'bit with the new minmando suit :-) Sniper Rifles, Mass Drivers and Plasma Cannons all pair quite nicely with the ACR. The suit isn't bad at all ... wonder why commando usage rates are so low? Speaking of, check out the latest in dropsuit trends! http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Jan 2nd - Assaults 81k, Scouts 56k ^ Now, can we please fix backpedal speed?



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