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Cass Caul wrote:

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Anyone else reading the released Ferguson documents?

Really interesting reads. Papers basically confirm that there was a struggle in the car, resulting in the officer shooting Brown in the hand. Toxicology suggest that Brown was impaired at the time, due to THC levels in his blood (THC is Weed by the way). Crime Lab report says he also had weed on him at the time.

After reading through the Toxicology, Autopsies and crime scene papers, I can understand why the Grand Jury decided that there wasn't enough evidence to go through with the charges.

Link for those who want to read. Scroll to the bottom. Roughly 72 documents to read.

Basically, the same reason that a man in texas shot a prostitute and got out with no legal repercussions and the same reason that a wanna-be cop in florida pretending to be on neighborhood watch shot a black guy and got away without charges.

Whatshisface didn't break any laws so there's nothing to charge him with. Regardless that what he did was wrong or not, he didn't do anything illegal.

The beauty of the american legal system, there are so many different ways to get away with murder.

It's not that he didn't break any laws, its that there isn't enough evidence to suggest that he committed a crime without reasonable doubt.

This wasn't a verdict for guilt or innocence. My understanding was that they didn't need to meet that high of a threshold in terms of proof.

I am not sure what that threshold is, but pretty much it was whether or not there was enough evidence for them to go to trial.

Either way, it was stupid of them to know the decision by noon and wait until nightfall to release that information.

Also, I think the anger is about something greater than this one case, and will continue so long as there is such a significant inherent imbalance in our justice system.

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Cass Caul 1732	Posted - 2014.11.26 02:13:00 - [25651] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Anyone else reading the released Ferguson documents? Really interesting reads. Papers basically confirm that there was a struggle in the car, resulting in the officer shooting Brown in the hand. Toxicology suggest that Brown was impaired at the time, due to THC levels in his blood (THC is Weed by the way). Crime Lab report says he also had weed on him at the time. After reading through the Toxicology, Autopsies and crime scene papers, I can understand why the Grand Jury decided that there wasn't enough evidence to go through with the charges. Link for those who want to read. Scroll to the bottom. Roughly 72 documents to read. Basically, the same reason that a man in texas shot a prostitute and got out with no legal repercussions and the same reason that a wanna-be cop in florida pretending to be on neighborhood watch shot a black guy and got away without charges. Whatshisface didn't break any laws so there's nothing to charge him with. Regardless that what he did was wrong or not, he didn't do anything illegal. The beauty of the american legal system, there are so many different ways to get away with murder.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 492	Posted - 2014.11.26 02:15:00 - [25652] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: zaibatsu, the basis for the caldari empire. That's why they need to be nuked, so that their culture can flourish. Also, still missing the old pre-incarna intaki avatars. Mine looked to cool! AHEM- Who met us and tried to destroy our culture in the first place? That's right the Gallente We still tend to be rather close to our origins, but without change only disaster can happen... Funny Change = disaster, disaster = change... everything just goes round and round... Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the Raider Scout's colour.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8265	Posted - 2014.11.26 02:19:00 - [25653] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Anyone else reading the released Ferguson documents? Really interesting reads. Papers basically confirm that there was a struggle in the car, resulting in the officer shooting Brown in the hand. Toxicology suggest that Brown was impaired at the time, due to THC levels in his blood (THC is Weed by the way). Crime Lab report says he also had weed on him at the time. After reading through the Toxicology, Autopsies and crime scene papers, I can understand why the Grand Jury decided that there wasn't enough evidence to go through with the charges. Link for those who want to read. Scroll to the bottom. Roughly 72 documents to read. Basically, the same reason that a man in texas shot a prostitute and got out with no legal repercussions and the same reason that a wanna-be cop in florida pretending to be on neighborhood watch shot a black guy and got away without charges. Whatshisface didn't break any laws so there's nothing to charge him with. Regardless that what he did was wrong or not, he didn't do anything illegal. The beauty of the american legal system, there are so many different ways to get away with murder. It's not that he didn't break any laws, its that there isn't enough evidence to suggest that he committed a crime without reasonable doubt. He may have shot the guy in cold blood or racism or whatever, but we can't PROVE it. There isn't enough evidence for a trial (A criminal one at least. They still have the civil courts) This can backfire obviously, as it allows people to "get away with murder", but its necessary. Without it, you could very conceivably indict someone with zero evidence, and either a.) Waste TONS of money on a trial or b.) Send someone innocent to jail with no evidence to back it up. It's a necessary evil so to speak. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 681	Posted - 2014.11.26 02:55:00 - [25654] - Quote Someone is sounding more like a lawyer than a biologist. Have you changed your major, Ghost?
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8268	Posted - 2014.11.26 03:00:00 - [25655] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Someone is sounding more like a lawyer than a biologist. Have you changed your major, Ghost? I'm still a Chem Major. Start Organic and Physics II next semester. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 683	Posted - 2014.11.26 03:31:00 - [25656] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Someone is sounding more like a lawyer than a biologist. Have you changed your major, Ghost? I'm still a Chem Major. Start Organic and Physics II next semester. Chemistry! I thought for sure you were in for Biology. I won't forget again. Do we not have a resident Biologist!?
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8268	Posted - 2014.11.26 04:01:00 - [25657] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Someone is sounding more like a lawyer than a biologist. Have you changed your major, Ghost? I'm still a Chem Major. Start Organic and Physics II next semester. Chemistry! I thought for sure you were in for Biology. I won't forget again. Do we not have a resident Biologist!? I believe Appia is one. We have several in here if I'm not mistaken. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1935	Posted - 2014.11.26 04:06:00 - [25658] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Someone is sounding more like a lawyer than a biologist. Have you changed your major, Ghost? I'm still a Chem Major. Start Organic and Physics II next semester. Chemistry! I thought for sure you were in for Biology. I won't forget again. Do we not have a resident Biologist!? I believe Appia is one. We have several in here if I'm not mistaken. <-- Ecologist We'll bang, OK?
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1935	Posted - 2014.11.26 04:12:00 - [25659] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Someone is sounding more like a lawyer than a biologist. Have you changed your major, Ghost? I'm still a Chem Major. Start Organic and Physics II next semester. Ah organic chem. The "specialisation" that covers 90% of all named chemical compounds. Not that I'm one to criticise. Trained Ecologist working as an Environmental Scientist, currently working in the field of Hydrography, so... yeah. We'll bang, OK?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6163	Posted - 2014.11.26 04:13:00 - [25660] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Anyone else reading the released Ferguson documents? Really interesting reads. Papers basically confirm that there was a struggle in the car, resulting in the officer shooting Brown in the hand. Toxicology suggest that Brown was impaired at the time, due to THC levels in his blood (THC is Weed by the way). Crime Lab report says he also had weed on him at the time. After reading through the Toxicology, Autopsies and crime scene papers, I can understand why the Grand Jury decided that there wasn't enough evidence to go through with the charges. Link for those who want to read. Scroll to the bottom. Roughly 72 documents to read. Basically, the same reason that a man in texas shot a prostitute and got out with no legal repercussions and the same reason that a wanna-be cop in florida pretending to be on neighborhood watch shot a black guy and got away without charges. Whatshisface didn't break any laws so there's nothing to charge him with. Regardless that what he did was wrong or not, he didn't do anything illegal. The beauty of the american legal system, there are so many different ways to get away with murder. It's not that he didn't break any laws, its that there isn't enough evidence to suggest that he committed a crime without reasonable doubt. This wasn't a verdict for guilt or innocence. My understanding was that they didn't need to meet that high of a threshold in terms of proof. I am not sure what that threshold is, but pretty much it was whether or not there was enough evidence for them to go to trial. Either way, it was stupid of them to know the decision by noon and wait until nightfall to release that information. Also, I think the anger is about something greater than this one case, and will continue so long as there is such a significant inherent imbalance in our justice system. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8268	Posted - 2014.11.26 06:26:00 - [25661] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Anyone else reading the released Ferguson documents? Really interesting reads. Papers basically confirm that there was a struggle in the car, resulting in the officer shooting Brown in the hand. Toxicology suggest that Brown was impaired at the time, due to THC levels in his blood (THC is Weed by the way). Crime Lab report says he also had weed on him at the time. After reading through the Toxicology, Autopsies and crime scene papers, I can understand why the Grand Jury decided that there wasn't enough evidence to go through with the charges. Link for those who want to read. Scroll to the bottom. Roughly 72 documents to read. Basically, the same reason that a man in texas shot a prostitute and got out with no legal repercussions and the same reason that a wanna-be cop in florida pretending to be on neighborhood watch shot a black guy and got away without charges. Whatshisface didn't break any laws so there's nothing to charge him with. Regardless that what he did was wrong or not, he didn't do anything illegal. The beauty of the american legal system, there are so many different ways to get away with murder. It's not that he didn't break any laws, its that there isn't enough evidence to suggest that he committed a crime without reasonable doubt. This wasn't a verdict for guilt or innocence. My understanding was that they didn't need to meet that high of a threshold in terms of proof. I am not sure what that threshold is, but pretty much it was whether or not there was enough evidence for them to go to trial. Either way, it was stupid of them to know the decision by noon and wait until nightfall to release that information. Also, I think the anger is about something greater than this one case, and will continue so long as there is such a significant inherent imbalance in our justice system. That was exactly what I was trying to say. Grand Juries are used only to see if there is even enough evidence for there to be a trial. Not enough evidence was found. They can't do anything (In a criminal court at least. I still think that they can make a civil case). If you really hate that outcome, send a letter to your congressman detailing that you want him to support body camera's for cops (I really don't why we don't have these. We have dash cams on cop cars, why don't we have these for cops widespread as well?). Also: Here's my problem with the situation. At least from what I've gleaned from news sources. Random Protestor wrote: "They have given us no justice! We will give them no peace," I don't think you understand how justice works. Justice is not what you personally believe. If they were to overturn established practices to appease the public, all it would prove is that you can put anyone in jail if you can get the majority to support it. Remember people. This isn't a true democracy. True democracy is where anything and everything is done by majority vote. We have a democracy that focuses on Majority rule, but minority rights. He has the right to a fair trial. If not enough evidence is present for the trial to even stand a chance, he probably isn't guilty (As far as we can prove). As I said earlier, if this REALLY ticks you off for some reason, go and get some support and get cops to wear body cams. It's been shown in several states that these types of offenses have been drastically reduced by body cams. Instead of it turning into "Trust the cop or the civilian", it turns into "Roll the tape, lets see what happened". Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:05:00 - [25662] - Quote I'm really tired of the Trial by Democracy culture that seems to be growing more common recently. Every dispute is broadcast nationwide, and despite EVERYONE having an opinion, nobody actually bothers to inform themselves. They just read enough to confirm their biases and then trumpet them as loudly as they can. It defeats the entire purpose of the judiciary system if a person who is found to be innocent is forced to fear for their safety for the rest of their lives because a bloodthirsty mob decided that the courts were wrong. Nobody but the courts, subjects and immediate families of those involved should interact with the case, period. Until we see some laws prohibiting the media's sensationalization of court cases (yeah right), this is going to keep happening. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:07:00 - [25663] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Someone is sounding more like a lawyer than a biologist. Have you changed your major, Ghost? I'm still a Chem Major. Start Organic and Physics II next semester. Chemistry! I thought for sure you were in for Biology. I won't forget again. Do we not have a resident Biologist!? I believe Appia is one. We have several in here if I'm not mistaken. <-- Ecologist Psychology major reporting in o7 Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1937	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:10:00 - [25664] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: I'm really tired of the Trial by Democracy culture that seems to be growing more common recently. Every dispute is broadcast nationwide, and despite EVERYONE having an opinion, nobody actually bothers to inform themselves. They just read enough to confirm their biases and then trumpet them as loudly as they can. It defeats the entire purpose of the judiciary system if a person who is found to be innocent is forced to fear for their safety for the rest of their lives because a bloodthirsty mob decided that the courts were wrong. Nobody but the courts, subjects and immediate families of those involved should interact with the case, period. Until we see some laws prohibiting the media's sensationalization of court cases (yeah right), this is going to keep happening. Agreed. If the way media handles science presentation is any indicator of how much they actually research something before reporting, then there's no point in paying attention to any report they make. On a related note, I haven't watched broadcast TV of any kind for the last year and a half, let alone news. We'll bang, OK?
Haerr Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2024	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:14:00 - [25665] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: They just read enough to confirm their biases and then trumpet them as loudly as they can. Confirmation bias isn't exactly easy to resist, especially not when (some) the media depiction of events is far from critical, or leaves details out. fighter jets
LeGoose SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 697	Posted - 2014.11.26 13:27:00 - [25666] - Quote Other people wrote: Stuff about things Physical Therapist here , or Physiotherapist for everyone outside of the US. Click it! I dare you...
Lucifalic Baked n Loaded 479	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:25:00 - [25667] - Quote <----- professional forester/biologist. Funny thing is I currently work for canada post lol Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 687	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:27:00 - [25668] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: <----- professional forester/biologist. Funny thing is I currently work for canada post lol Lucifalic!? Where have you been?
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 501	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:31:00 - [25669] - Quote I hate genorousity... I makes me poor... For about a week... Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the Raider Scout's colour.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 402	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:36:00 - [25670] - Quote I make a habit of not asking for help but also not giving much help.... I like to be self sufficient The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST

Llast 326 An Arkhos 5568	Posted - 2014.11.26 15:10:00 - [25671] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: I'm really tired of the Trial by Democracy culture that seems to be growing more common recently. Every dispute is broadcast nationwide, and despite EVERYONE having an opinion, nobody actually bothers to inform themselves. They just read enough to confirm their biases and then trumpet them as loudly as they can. It defeats the entire purpose of the judiciary system if a person who is found to be innocent is forced to fear for their safety for the rest of their lives because a bloodthirsty mob decided that the courts were wrong. Nobody but the courts, subjects and immediate families of those involved should interact with the case, period. Until we see some laws prohibiting the media's sensationalization of court cases (yeah right), this is going to keep happening. I don't really have ~~enough~~ faith in the State for that to seem like a viable option. MOAR Ladders
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8274	Posted - 2014.11.26 16:24:00 - [25672] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: I'm really tired of the Trial by Democracy culture that seems to be growing more common recently. Every dispute is broadcast nationwide, and despite EVERYONE having an opinion, nobody actually bothers to inform themselves. They just read enough to confirm their biases and then trumpet them as loudly as they can. It defeats the entire purpose of the judiciary system if a person who is found to be innocent is forced to fear for their safety for the rest of their lives because a bloodthirsty mob decided that the courts were wrong. Nobody but the courts, subjects and immediate families of those involved should interact with the case, period. Until we see some laws prohibiting the media's sensationalization of court cases (yeah right), this is going to keep happening. Well put. This is why I didn't bother forming an opinion about what happened until they released those documents. Read those documents myself. Formed my own damn opinion, not one that was force fed to me a by a media who is in no doubt, biased. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 404	Posted - 2014.11.26 17:21:00 - [25673] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: I'm really tired of the Trial by Democracy culture that seems to be growing more common recently. Every dispute is broadcast nationwide, and despite EVERYONE having an opinion, nobody actually bothers to inform themselves. They just read enough to confirm their biases and then trumpet them as loudly as they can. It defeats the entire purpose of the judiciary system if a person who is found to be innocent is forced to fear for their safety for the rest of their lives because a bloodthirsty mob decided that the courts were wrong. Nobody but the courts, subjects and immediate families of those involved should interact with the case, period. Until we see some laws prohibiting the media's sensationalization of court cases (yeah right), this is going to keep happening. Well put. This is why I didn't bother forming an opinion about what happened until they released those documents. Read those documents myself. Formed my own damn opinion, not one that was force fed to me a by a media who is in no doubt, biased. People will believe what they want to believe, they see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. Even if they read those documents the would only see what they wanted too. The sad but true reality The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 693	Posted - 2014.11.26 17:33:00 - [25674] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: People will believe what they want to believe, they see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. The sad but true reality. ^ Precisely why I become furious at Zatara every time he talks about Scouts. He may something totally benign and innocent: "Scouts should eat less cake so they can be thin and healthy like a Logi." But what I see is something sinister: "Nerf Scout scan profile. Make them swap Precision with the Logi."
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19402	Posted - 2014.11.26 18:14:00 - [25675] - Quote Shotty, you are being absurd. That is a blatant suggestion to remove scouts from the game via starvation. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Glorious pink victory has been achieved.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4631	Posted - 2014.11.26 18:37:00 - [25676] - Quote Studying Graphic Design/Web Design/Game Design/Film Production/Animation/Audio Production. Or something like that, I'll find out as the course progresses. Oh, I'm also a qualified Photographer. Funfact: I wanted to be a lawyer. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Cass Caul 1733	Posted - 2014.11.26 19:51:00 - [25677] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Someone is sounding more like a lawyer than a biologist. Have you changed your major, Ghost? I'm still a Chem Major. Start Organic and Physics II next semester. Ah organic chem. The "specialisation" that covers 90% of all named chemical compounds. Not that I'm one to criticise. Trained Ecologist working as an Environmental Scientist, currently working in the field of Hydrography, so... yeah. Trained environmental scientist. . . currently not working because life sucks. Whatshisface should have been using non-leathal weapons to begin with. I'm strictly of the opinion that anyone that takes the life of another human is not fit to be a part of society, be it gang member, police officer, or military employee. Murder is murder no matter how you pretend to justify it.
Cass Caul 1733	Posted - 2014.11.26 19:53:00 - [25678] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I hate genorousity... I makes me poor... For about a week... You should see what happens when I play drunk. a few hundred million ISK disappears from my wallet every time as I through ISK at people so they stop running STD/ADV gear in FW
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 700	Posted - 2014.11.26 19:54:00 - [25679] - Quote World War Appia
Cass Caul 1733	Posted - 2014.11.26 20:14:00 - [25680] - Quote that Swedish woman was hot



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