I haven't, but I don't think I need to. I don't doubt that knives are effective on other scouts, maybe even more effective considering the eWar and tank that the other scouts bring to the table, but I don't care. I want to go fast and 1 shot 95% of the suits in the game and be a minmatar loyalist, damnit!

Besides, if the knife bonus is inconsequential then why remove it?

We have respected veteran forum warriors saying things like "you need a Gal logi with a focused scanner to put scouts in damp mode and make them fit damps".

If Min lost the knife bonus then I'd drop the suit,
that's literally the only reason I use it, outside my 3x kincat + flux uplink + LP uplink that I start matches in.

The difference in speed is negligible. shields blow. fitting is crap. Low slots are necessary.

1.7 --> 1.8 was a huge buff to the Min-Scout. +1 low slot. Then Hotfix Alpha dropped and they went to a worse place than before.

Now they're back to 1.7 levels. You need 2 complex dampeners to be a Scout. Scanned Scout = Dead Scout. That means The Min-Scout is back to having Dampeners and 1 utility low slot.

Giving the Min-Scouts a Damp bonus, aside from marginalizing the Gal-Scout's skill bonus as it's health is purely based on slot configuration, doesn't change the number of slots it takes to perform at the same level. It just takes away the need for a cloak to get under Amarr Scout precision.

What is the problem with this statement?
Why would you fit more damps than you need to if there are no high powered scanners on field?

Hyperbole with an agenda.

"if you don't run the best-of-the-best counter recon, then scouts don't have to dampen."

rabble rabble rubbish.

Agreed.

If memory serves I think just a Proto scanner without the Gal-Logi Bonus forces scouts to dampen at least a little. Min and Amarr almost certainly.

Edit:
Actually, would have to check the numbers on that.

It's 21 dB which absolutely requires dampening. As does:

* GA/AM Scout +1 cPE
* CA/MN Scout or any Logi +2 cPE

Hyperbole with an agenda.

"if you don't run the best-of-the-best counter recon, then scouts don't have to dampen."

rabble rabble rubbish.

How is this incorrect, though?
You don't need to dampen to counter the best recon when the best recon isn't being fielded.

The point I'm making is that giving Min damps would effectively free up a slot, which is exactly what you're complaing about in that post and others have elsewhere.
I'm trying to give the Min an extra low slot, you know, so even without the knives it's worth running.

And (at least according to the scanning table posted on the first page of the thread and Rattatis Charlie EWAR table) no, Min could actually get under Amarr with 2 damps instead of three with my suggestion.

You're confused about the precision values here.
You don't need cloak to get under Amarr scans, it was Gal Logi scans you needed the cloak for.
Remember Caldari only has 2 low slots and they can get under, because they have the same dampening bonus as the Gal.
If my propsal wouldn't work then Caldari would be screwed (they aren't).
Amarr Precision (Maxed + 2 complex Precision) = 18
Gal logi focused = 15 <- that's the one you need the cloak for.

And this would put them in the same position of Gallente of being able to avoid Gal-Logi scans without a cloak if they stack 3 Damps in the lows (13.5). Or 2 Damps and a cloak (14.1).

As for marginalizing the Gal:
1: Yeah, because the gal has been so put upon, it sure is miserable for us. Somehow... I think we'll manage.
2: Cal already has it. It's not a Gal specific skill. And I don't give a **** about lore, game balance comes first, EVE is thematic inspiration, not the bible.

Rattati has said he's keeping it to two bonuses per suit. So we have to trade something in order to give a reasonable buff.
I'd also be all for a few extra PG/CPU here and there as well for the min, I've done enough theory building to see they're resource deprived.

You could trade the hacking bonus if knives are so important, the knives was just a suggestion. But hacking is always useful and somebody should get that bonus... Amarr perhaps?

What ifGǪ Dampeners were moved to EQ and had an Active time and cool down similar to cloakGǪ

I would biomass

I've been running this fit a lot.

MK.0

2 Cmplx shield
1 Enhc shield

Six Kin CR
Ish Knives

Flux

Viz Uplink
F/45 REs

1 cmplxKincat
2 cmplxdamps

I just... it's too much fun. I gotta be extra cautious against GAL/CAL scouts but that's nothing new. I can out run them majority of the time.

What ifGǪ Dampeners were moved to EQ and had an Active time and cool down similar to cloakGǪ

How is this incorrect, though?
You don't need to dampen to counter the best recon when the best recon isn't being fielded.

The comment implied scouts only have to fit dampeners when Gal logi focussed scanners are employed. Which is far from the truth.

Even if this isn't how the comment was intended, it is how it came across and was interpreted.

This is just an example of the common misconceptions and misinformation prevalent on the forums when it comes to scouts.

Why don't they?
There's no need to fit more dampeners than you need. A single damp will take any scout under even proto scanners - it's only when Gallogis or scanner scouts come on field that you need to bother dampening more than that, and a single damp is far from crippling.

I run 2x Damps 24/7 cause I'm paranoid like hell

I can relate 100% to this, vary rarely do I go down to 1 damp, almost never to 0

Edit: On scouts, but now that I think of it, I should start damping my heavies.

Sometimes I damp just walking around my merc quarters. Because, you never know when someone you though wasn't there will pop out and try to gank you.....

It only happened once Monk
I told you it was the wrong doorGǪ i thought it was my place and you were an intruder

Sorry

This is why we need a doorman.

I am so sneaking into your place and rearranging your fittings