If the Assault was not capable of fatsuit HP numbers (which means he will require a full charged shot by IshNoks, and more than one full charged shot from ZN's or lower, I would be fine with the 2.19 second closing time. However, since he will have fatsuit eHP, and I have to blow most of a second to charge my knives or just die anyway, I think the only way I have a fighting chance to kill him once he's aware of me is if the closing time is ~1.5 seconds. Making 85% much more desirable.

Shotguns kill at 6m just fine, in my personal experience (i.e., getting killed from 6-8m by shotguns, often), so I daresay it's us knifers who need this the most.

all about that delta-V

Play nice, Appia :-)

Speaking of Delta values, I've been thinking about firing up the ole' Killboard to see just how hard Charlie hits us. What do you guys think?

Spitballing Backpedal Speed ... with maths!

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Scenario A (Scout chases Heavy)

Given:
* A train leaves the station at noon ...
* Gallente Scout walks toward a backpedaling Gallente Heavy
* Both mercs are traveling at maximum walk speeds along a straight line
* Heavy is reloading his HMG (thank goodness)

Bravo (Current)
* 5.45 m/sec - Scout forward movement speed
* 3.85 m/sec - Heavy backward movement speed
* 5 meters - Starting distance between Scout and Heavy
* 3.13 sec - Time until Scout reaches Heavy

Backpedal at 90%:
* 5.45 m/sec - Scout forward movement speed
* 3.47 m/sec - Heavy backward movement speed
* 5 meters - Starting distance between Scout and Heavy
* 2.52 sec - Time until Scout reaches Heavy

Backpedal at 85%:
* 5.45 m/sec - Scout forward movement speed
* 3.27 m/sec - Heavy backward movement speed
* 5 meters - Starting distance between Scout and Heavy
* 2.30 sec - Time until Scout reaches Heavy

Backpedal at 80%:
* 5.45 m/sec - Scout forward movement speed
* 3.08 m/sec - Heavy backward movement speed
* 5 meters - Starting distance between Scout and Heavy
* 2.11 sec - Time until Scout reaches Heavy

Backpedal at 75%:
* 5.45 m/sec - Scout forward movement speed
* 2.89 m/sec - Heavy backward movement speed
* 5 meters - Starting distance between Scout and Heavy
* 1.95 sec - Time until Scout reaches Heavy

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Scenario B (Scout chases Assault)

Given:
* Swapped out Gallente Heavy for a Gallente Assault
* Everything else above held constant

Bravo (Current)
* 5.45 m/sec - Scout forward movement speed
* 5.00 m/sec - Assault backward movement speed
* 5 meters - Starting distance between Scout and Assault
* 11.11 sec - Time until Scout reaches Assault

Backpedal at 90%:
* 5.45 m/sec - Scout forward movement speed
* 4.50 m/sec - Assault backward movement speed
* 5 meters - Starting distance between Scout and Assault
* 5.26 sec - Time until Scout reaches Assault

Backpedal at 85%:
* 5.45 m/sec - Scout forward movement speed
* 4.25 m/sec - Assault backward movement speed
* 5 meters - Starting distance between Scout and Assault
* 4.16 sec - Time until Scout reaches Assault

Backpedal at 80%:
* 5.45 m/sec - Scout forward movement speed
* 4.00 m/sec - Assault backward movement speed
* 5 meters - Starting distance between Scout and Assault
* 3.45 sec - Time until Scout reaches Assault

Backpedal at 75%:
* 5.45 m/sec - Scout forward movement speed
* 3.75 m/sec - Assault backward movement speed
* 5 meters - Starting distance between Scout and Assault
* 2.94 sec - Time until Scout reaches Assault

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1. Point of clarification. Gêå represents how much time Hakyou "lost" by stacking all those plates. At 90% backpedal, it'd take our scout 3.07 sec to catch him. If he weren't wearing any plates, it'd take scout our scout 5.26 seconds to catch him. I'll remove Gêå ... it is ambiguous.

2. Next time you're running your SG, find a stationary infantry unit (can be friendly) and watch your Efficiency Rating as you move toward and away from him. 5m is the absolute maximum distance you can shoot from for full damage. You deal damage out a 'bit further, but it declines rapidly for each step outside of 5 meters, as your Efficiency Rating drops (i.e. damage penalty per pellet) and the further you're out the fewer pellets will hit your target. Scouts get gibbed at 6-8m because Scouts are squishy :-)

3. Agreed.

Even at the highest penalty I think that means a dead scout. I have a hard time killing backpedaling heavys currently. Which would mean assaults would still be nigh impossible to attain optimal range before you are dead. Shotty would you mind calculating it for minja speeds @ 5.65...

No claims.

CPM Zatara asked us what we believe the ideal backpedal speed would be. Our responses varied. Put these Scenarios together as a point-of-reference, so we could get a feel for how one value compares with the next.

What do you think it should be?

^ Srsly?

You should shed some of plates, Arkena, and run knives for a 'bit then come back and talk to us.

1. Yes, seriously. I have run knives. My scout fits tend to have more kincats than plates on, nowadays.

3. You do not get outrun by someone backpedalling as a scout unless you've done something colossally stupid like fit nothing but complex plates. Hell, you've just spent some time proving that.

2. Knives have hit detection problems on backpedalling targets. This is true. That's not a result of the speed though, is it?

2. Disagreed. I run knives on a GalScout with zero plates. I find myself just-out-of-reach with NKs at least once per match. If a target survives my initial backstab and has presence of mind sufficient to bunnyhop, a protracted pursuit will typically follow. Only the slowest of targets at the moment survive my backstabs (uparmored Heavies and Logis), yet I've insufficient time catch them once they start backpedaling. I can only withstand a fraction of a second under their fire, and it takes much longer than a fraction of a second to catch back up.

3. I think you're right. I'm hoping the 25% blade increase addresses this issue as well as the bunnyhop issue.

Irish, big difference
By the way, you're the guys who changed the language.

Hey folks, I've been meaning to post this for ages.
http://imgur.com/WB7IQc5

Feel free to use this when arguing with Heavies that think the PG/CPU they have is fine.

For context I have Core, Engineering and Electronics at 5.
I have 0 SP in Fitting optimisation or whatever it's called. It's never been worth it.
I just have the extra CPU you get with certain skills that are needed to unlock the weapons.

all about that delta-V

Remember that as the majority of players are Americas, the US is one of the lowest ranked in k-12 education. Simple math, percentages, fractions, and mathematical notation are going to be difficult for them to understand. Liberal Arts departments, Education departments, and Business departments in many US Universities also have low requirements in mathematics courses.

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that and we have plenty of people that can't get into an R-rated film currently posting in the Barbershop

@ NK PG skill
I won't skill it past level 2. I really hate it when you don't get any use out of a skill until you max it out. It really should be 1 PG/level rather than % based.

Mollerz QPLAKs.

We are way down on the rungs of a lot of metrics you'd think, as a society, we'd want to strive for. The USA is a demographic of the brightest and the dimmest. The best and the worst. There are dichotomies everywhere.

Like an Australian boat captain once told me on the high Southern Seas...

We are way down on the rungs of a lot of metrics you'd think, as a society, we'd want to strive for. The USA is a demographic of the brightest and the dimmest. The best and the worst. There are dichotomies everywhere.

Like an Australian boat captain once told me on the high Southern Seas... "Mate, every time I hear of something completely ****** up in the world.. It's from the USA."

English people are terrible at English, both spelling and grammar.

After 7 years of playing Eve, I've just learned to live with it :(

Spitballing Backpedal Speed ... with maths!

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* A train leaves the station at noon ...

#justsaying

The problem you're having isn't their speed. It's that the sudden bunnyhop and ensuing awkwardness in tracking the target (you'll never be able to track perfectly) throws you off enough that you're out of range again. Direct speed comparisons don't help because people can just bunnyhop about.
That's not really so much of a problem for the shotgun because it has a little bit of range to allow it the flexibility it needs. But it is a problem for the knives.

A tweak to backpedalling speed won't make much difference because the target can still bunnyhop unpredictably to throw them away from the knives. It doesn't matter that they might be, say, 40% slower than you, you won't be able to track them perfectly and keep them in your tiny range because you can't predict their motion perfectly.