If I hear this from you one more time ...

We've no proof that a "speed cap" exists, and to add one would require a client-side update. Further, a "cap" defies precedent in that "caps" don't exist among other modules. Even further, there is no precedent for an obscenely large bonus like the one you've proposed. 35% per level!? That's 175% at Level 5.

The idea won't work and even if it did, we couldn't sell it if we tried a thousand different ways. You've gotta come back down to earth, Gav. Put that creative mind to use on something not bad. Help us out here ...

I think that sprint speed should be something that the min scout gets a bonus to, and the 4% seems good, but I would settle for the 2% plan if need be.

Im not in the mood for math right now, but what would be the estimated nerf on kin cats so that 4% to sprint speed as well wouldn't break the game?

EDIT: DPLAK

Yes. Breaks game > 12 m/s.
Can't even do 2% without reducing KinCats from +12% to +11%.

Mobility bonus thereby will not apply to sprint and likely won't to strafe (because breaks game). Instead, you'll be 20% better at walking and jumping, which will vastly knife play much more fun / effective ... all the while sticking to our narrative of "ninja".

hmm....i honestly don't think that 10% to strafe speed on the lowest HP suit in the game would be imbalanced, especially as there is really strong aim assist, but I might be wrong and i don't want to overpower minmitar scouts at all....(seriously, i don't)

I think that if we reduced kin cats to 10% and gave the 2% bonus, that might be good, but that also brings up speed tanking on other scout races. Perhaps a steeper stacking penalty?

The idea is to localize the impact of our changes such that they not p*ss off and/or harm anyone else. Appia says we shouldn't be downgrading KinCats (even by small degree) to benefit a single suit's racial bonus. She's 100% correct which is why the original change was removed.

The innate bonus of 4% translates to 20% at level. 20% (not 10%) buff to strafe speed is roughly 1 m/s. Haerr points out that any buff to strafe speed is bad news. Strafe speeds are arguably too high as is (for all frames). We don't want to propose anything which might do harm to balance or gameplay.

so you propose to buff cal shared vision range back to pre alpha and remove gal 1% range bonus, lol
you have a Cal (squad) bonus vs a Gal (solo) bonus
its amazing how we backtrack over and over forgetting why so many wanted the cal range bonus removed or nerfed in the first place. (SHARED VISION)
I guess it don't matter everything you keep proposing only keeps my 2 proto scouts on the top of the food chain.
me or my squad will either see you coming in my Cal
or you wont see me in my Gal.

I'm understanding that your unhappy, but I'm not understanding your basis.
Did you click through each tab in the proposal?

yes I like the NK idea > good
moving codebreakers to high slots would help min alot > good
and the gal repair is to high > but that is not all bad i guess loosing 5m range for 2 more HP/s
It all falls on the Cal shared vision that breaks everything.
the cal scout. boosting there range back to pre alpha with shared vision is a step backwards. unless i missed the removal of shared vision somewhere.
You can run fast, hack fast or run forever but when the cal (squad bonus) sees you it means nothing with 6 guns aiming for you.

Thoughts?

On Stacking Penalty change
* We're still affecting other suits to benefit one suit's racial bonus.
* We're still ignoring precedent; stacking penalties are fixed and universal; they're likely coded accordingly.

On Strafe / Sprint
* All things held constant a 1% bonus per level would keep us within bounds.
* I see no harm adding 1% bonus to strafe/sprint alongside the 4% to movement/jump.

How's this look, guys?
Scout Polish v2.3
* Updated Minmatar tables.

Guys, I'm going to add a sheet for "endorsements" so we can keep better tabs on who's happy with what ....

If you like one of the sheets, let me know!

A few thoughts

Gal ~ The rep bonus concerns me. I believe the 3hp/sec was a large contributing factor to the move to FOTM, granting a 5hp/sec at Proto does not reduce the problem. On the original proposal for 1.8 I thought a 2hp/sec on the suit would be good.

Cal ~ Precision and range has shown to be a problem combination, not sure if this should be a thing. Moving the range bonus to the Amarr seems to me as a nice choice for adding a valid scout role to the Amarr scout.

Min ~ Strafe speed but I think that has been addressed. Anything about fitting so many PG intensive modules? GǪ also I see no nerf to armour/shields that hp still to high

You can add me as the only one to the list dissatisfied about the fact that the lore and fiction of DUST is as neglected as it can ever be. EVE has gained numerous new chronicles to explain the story behind the new expansion, and last time we got even a hint of lore was in a chronicle published almost a year ago.

Seriously, the Intergalactic Summit was an afterthought done by CCP after endless pleading and requests, and it has descended into a pit of noobs who have no clue how to actually RP(that's not really CCP's fault, but still).

RP in DUST is pretty much pointless and not supported by CCP, and that makes me upset.

1) Gal Rep Bonus in v1 was replaced by a small range bonus in v2.2.
2) Cal Precision is tied to Enhancers and has been nerfed at lower commitment. Range also nerfed.
3) Hoping to let Cal/Gal fight over ewar; while Amarr makes use of light-armor improvements.
4) We're lobbying to have PG Extenders moved to high slots.

I'm getting the impression that the my chosen format is difficult to follow. I'll try to work on it.
What do you think about the knives?

Don't touch my Knives

You can add me as the only one to the list dissatisfied about the fact that the lore and fiction of DUST is as neglected as it can ever be. EVE has gained numerous new chronicles to explain the story behind the new expansion, and last time we got even a hint of lore was in a chronicle published almost a year ago.

Seriously, the Intergalactic Summit was an afterthought done by CCP after endless pleading and requests, and it has descended into a pit of noobs who have no clue how to actually RP(that's not really CCP's fault, but still).

RP in DUST is pretty much pointless and not supported by CCP, and that makes me upset.

Will comment on data after I get off work.

General Impression: I really like the Minja changes. Haven't looked at the rest yet

Have you met Jace yet?

This Jace? I saw him a few times in The Summit when I was around, but I haven't exactly "met" him.

If it's not that Jace, then I don't know.

Don't know if it's the same lad
Jaceon Pale Eye around the scout parts he's the newest Bastard and is an Eve RPer
Good people as Bastards go