OB's now - they are that scared of us?

@ Quil

On Shotgun Range
* The Shotgun's Optimal Range is roughly 5 meters.
* Outside of 5 meters, damage / pellet plummets exponentially.
* A merc can bunny hop -- without sprinting -- roughly 5 meters.
* A merc can backpedal in excess of 5 meters between a SG's 1st and 2nd blast.

On Shotgun Damage
* A Prototype Shotgun can OHK a merc, if and only if he has no more than 500 HP.
* MedFrame HP routinely exceeds 500 HP in pubs, generally requiring 2-3 blasts.
* MedFrame HP routinely exceeds 1000 HP in PC, generally requiring 3-4 blasts.
* Following initial alpha, Rifles (all of them) out-DPS a Shotgun (even in SG range).

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Can you explain for us why you oppose improvements to Shotgun Range and Damage?
Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131282&find=unread

If you Wer'nt A noob with onLy 150 likes I wuld think u mAke centz but obviously u don;t know what you are talking aboot.
You almost sound like someone though

@ Quil

On Shotgun Damage
* A Prototype Shotgun can OHK a merc, if and only if he has no more than 500 HP.
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Can you explain for us why you oppose improvements to Shotgun Range and Damage?
Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131282&find=unread

Has anyone ever tried 4 Complex Kin Cats on a Proto Gallente Light Frame or Scout Suit?

Are you including headshot damage in that? I do not think you are.

Give the damage limits for one shot kill for headshots.
That, I think explains my stance for the rest of it.

Please explain to me why on earth I need to get headshots to OHK with a shotgun

Well it's because you are playing dust?

Please explain to me why on earth I need to get headshots to OHK with a shotgun

Right after you explain to me how it is that a shot to the head with a sniper rifle, doesnt kill EVERYTHING.

As grim gear put it: "Because DUST".



The point is, the shotgun is already capable of doing.. what, 750? 800? instant damage.
*instant*, mind you.

To offset that, requires some serious limitations, for game balance.
Range limit, and "must get headshot for full damage", seem reasonable in that reguard, to me.

As it is, a single body shot will still kill MOST enemies, I think? ("most" defined as 50.1%), and if you're semi-decent, with a specialist shotgun, you should be able to land at least two shots.

That being said, if you can't get a headshot when you're up as close as 4 meters.... seems like you need to "git gud"

if I can do it 50% of the time.. and I'm NOT a regular shotgun player.... then seems like regular shotgun players should be able to do better.

If you want "guaranteed instakill anywhere on the body, any dropsuit"....
we already have a weapon for that. It's called a plasma cannon?

But of course, since it has even greater damage, it has greater limitations.

That's fairly reasonable game balance.

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@ Quil

You acknowledge that the Shotgun's DPS is comparable to that of a rifle (excluding headshots).
You acknowledge that the Shotgun's range limitations make it easy to avoid.
You oppose improvements to Shotgun range and damage "because of headshots".

If the headshot bonus were removed, would you then support an increase to SG range and damage?

Non-Scouts discuss how to fix Scouts (again):
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1647102#post1647102

Did they includeShared Squad Sight? Absolutely.
Did they propose that any buff have a corresponding nerf? Absolutely.
Did all non-Scouts agree? Absolutely.

Non-Scouts discuss how to fix Scouts (again):
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1647102#post1647102

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Does the proposed "fix" include Shared Squad Sight?
Does the proposed "fix" include buffs w/corresponding nerfs?
Do most Scouts disagree with the proposed "fix"?
Do most non-Scouts agree with the proposed "fix"?

And going for headshots with spread weapon is ridiculous. Center mass should always be a shotgunner's target and encouraging otherwise with bad mechanics is silly.

@ Quil

Thanks for the clarification. For the record, I suspect you're trolling us. Again.

Edit; Krom's comments on headshots make sense.
That aside, however you play with the numbers, I still hold to my "full proto should take more than one shot" stance.

And apparently, Krom takes an even more extreme view

I dont troll. What part of my post do you not take seriously?