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Ghost Kaisar
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:25:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:@ Quil
Thanks for the clarification. For the record, I suspect you're trolling us. Again.
I have to agree with you there.
Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
600
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:29:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Quil Evrything wrote: I dont troll. What part of my post do you not take seriously?
If you aren't trolling, I'd recommend running Shotgun Scout more regularly. With all due respect, your perspectives speak to inexperience.
For the benefit of general shotgunnerry, how about getting specific?
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Cass Caul
606
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:33:00 -
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GRIM GEAR wrote:The shot gun proficiency should be changed back to 3% damage per level like it was in Chromosome and the current proficiency 3% faster ROF per level should replace the shot guns current operations skill, which is a reduction to shot gun spread per level. Lets be honest who needs a reduction to spread when your optical range is like 2 f**king meters. This will go a little way in fixing the shot gun.
The best part is, is that the speard at lvl 5 is what was standard on ALL shotguns back in Chomosome, It's why the HK4M was such an amazing weapon. 0 skill pre-reqs for a ADV shotgun. The increased spread- to accommodate the skill- made this whole tree f^cked up. Your idea is really what it should have been from the start.
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Scout Registry
160
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:46:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote: For the benefit of general shotgunnerry, how about getting specific?
I suspect you'd find "hand's on" experience to be much more meaningful than anything I could offer here in writing. |
Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
600
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:01:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Quil Evrything wrote: For the benefit of general shotgunnerry, how about getting specific?
I suspect you'd find "hand's on" experience to be much more meaningful than anything I could offer here in writing.
Sigh....
If you cant concisely describe the problem with what I wrote, and you want to go with the "Feeling" or whatever of playing it for a long time... then I respectfully suggest that your feelings may be getting in the way of objective analysis of the shotgun currently.
I tried shotgun for a while. I did "okay" at it. When I was in the zone, so to speak, I did VERY well. However, speaking of feelings... I did not feel comfortable with the playstyle. It's halfway between pistol and knives. I'd rather have one or the other, most days
By that I mean:
knives: melee range only; very high alpha. pistols; short/medium range, requires player precision to unlock its high DPS potential
shotgun: between knife and pistol range (okay, close to knife range :) high alpha: requires intermediate precision to unlock its highest DPS potential.
shotgun damage is appropriate; it's somewhere between pistols and knives, being fairly close to knife damage. Its so close to knife damage, that you could not legitimately justify increasing shotgun damage, without increasing knife damage. The low-end, is in fact HIGHER than low end knife damage, if I recall correctly.
Do you see an increase in knife damage happening? I sure don't.
Edit: lemme ask you this: would you take an increase in range, for a DECREASE in damage? 'cause that's the only way I see it as fair, and I'm guessing the CCP devs think that way too. SO... petition for an "assault shotgun" |
Cass Caul
607
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:02:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Non-Scouts discuss how to fix Scouts (again): https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1647102#post1647102Tourist ChecklistWas the proposed "fix" posted by someone other than a Scout? Does the proposed "fix" include Shared Squad Sight in some form? Does the proposed "fix" benefit others more than it benefits the Scout? Does the proposed "fix" provide for nerfs to accompany any/all buffs? Does the proposed "fix" receive unanimous support from non-Scouts? Does the proposed "fix" perturb the majority of full-time Scouts?
Can this be on the Front Page? A nice disclaimer for people after the hall of fame for people that wonder why people have left Scout behind.
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Cass Caul
610
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:21:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Non-Scouts discuss how to fix Scouts (again): https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1647102#post1647102Tourist ChecklistWas the proposed "fix" posted by someone other than a Scout? Does the proposed "fix" include Shared Squad Sight in some form? Does the proposed "fix" benefit others more than it benefits the Scout? Does the proposed "fix" provide for nerfs to accompany any/all buffs? Does the proposed "fix" receive unanimous support from non-Scouts? Does the proposed "fix" perturb the majority of full-time Scouts?
Er.Gr.argh. Bojo, aren't you around? Why is this guy being so dumb? I've seen a bunch of posts by Artificer Ghost and they weren't so full of dumb before... what happened? I- no. Too much stupid here. I have to leave.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1427
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:44:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:@ Quil
You acknowledge that the Shotgun's DPS is comparable to that of a rifle (excluding headshots). You acknowledge that the Shotgun's range limitations make it easy to avoid. You oppose improvements to Shotgun range and damage "because of headshots".
I think you'd agree that the challenge of Shotgunning lies in getting into optimal range, preferably alive and undetected. Once within range, you'd then require that shotgunners line up and place headshots to have any real DPS advantage over their opponents. Is this correct?
If the headshot bonus were removed, would you then support an increase to SG range and damage?
You guys encourage this kind of thing
Next thing you know he'll be all over the forums advocating other silly things. I was about to give an example, but didn't want to get him started. |
noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
308
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:47:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Scout Registry wrote:@ Quil
You acknowledge that the Shotgun's DPS is comparable to that of a rifle (excluding headshots). You acknowledge that the Shotgun's range limitations make it easy to avoid. You oppose improvements to Shotgun range and damage "because of headshots".
I think you'd agree that the challenge of Shotgunning lies in getting into optimal range, preferably alive and undetected. Once within range, you'd then require that shotgunners line up and place headshots to have any real DPS advantage over their opponents. Is this correct?
If the headshot bonus were removed, would you then support an increase to SG range and damage? You guys encourage this kind of thing Next thing you know he'll be all over the forums advocating other silly things. I was about to give an example, but didn't want to get him started. XD shhhhhh!!! He will hear youand your supposed to be a scout
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1429
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:49:00 -
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BTw- happy holidaze all you fukers! I hope everyone has a great time with friends and family today/tomorrow/whichever applies.
And remember, don't charge your knives when you slice the turkey or you'll be ordering Chinese food for dinner ! |
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J0LLY R0G3R
Tickle My Null-Sac
268
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:51:00 -
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Your all a buncha lil elves. XD
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
309
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:51:00 -
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mollerz wrote:BTw- happy holidaze all you fukers! I hope everyone has a great time with friends and family today/tomorrow/whichever applies. And remember, don't charge your knives when you slice the turkey or you'll be ordering Chinese food for dinner ! Unless bird is raw then perfectly cooked slices are yours. Happy Christmas ya thieving pirates
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
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One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2013.12.24 22:10:00 -
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Here is a question for you: What do you think the average profile is for the Med frames in the community?
I am trying to figure out how to skill into the profile precision and range areas. As a minja, losing the omniscient installations really hurt my awareness. And there is no point in me increasing my range if my precision is too high to pick up most medium frames. I realize I am shooting the proverbial swarm launcher at a tank with hardeners activated, but I just though someone might have an educated guess on this.
Thanks!
Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
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Scout Registry
166
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Posted - 2013.12.24 22:27:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Here is a question for you: What do you think the average profile is for the Med frames in the community?
I am trying to figure out how to skill into the profile precision and range areas. As a minja, losing the omniscient installations really hurt my awareness. And there is no point in me increasing my range if my precision is too high to pick up most medium frames. I realize I am shooting the proverbial swarm launcher at a tank with hardeners activated, but I just though someone might have an educated guess on this.
Thanks!
Maths: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1349781#post1349781
Guestimate: I'd say you're safe betting on 45 dB. Very few MedFrames (in my experience) run dampeners. |
One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2013.12.24 22:39:00 -
[5655] - Quote
^ Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for!
Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
443
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:50:00 -
[5656] - Quote
Could I make a quick request to have my name unstricken?
I just dont want people to think I gave up
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1433
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:03:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Could I make a quick request to have my name unstricken?
I just dont want people to think I gave up
Sorry- this is closed. and it's xmas.
My name is stricken and my minja knife kill count in is in the double digits within two games today.
Just pretend you are undercover!
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
443
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:07:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Spademan wrote:Could I make a quick request to have my name unstricken?
I just dont want people to think I gave up Sorry- this is closed. and it's xmas. My name is stricken and my minja knife kill count in is in the double digits within two games today. Just pretend you are undercover!
I know, and I tried to fulfill the unstirckening requirments before it did and alas I was unable.
On another note, it's a goddamn forgers paradise out there.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2502
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:23:00 -
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Random 3 page troll thread gets tons of attention and reply from the DEVs.
Yet 283 Page thread gets completely ignored by the DEVs?
Seems Legit.
We finally deployed in the MinFW Match!
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One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Random 3 page troll thread gets tons of attention and reply from the DEVs.
Yet 283 Page thread gets completely ignored by the DEVs?
Seems Legit.
We didn't show up on their active scanners, so we don't exist.
Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
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Scout Registry
169
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:19:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Could I make a quick request to have my name unstricken?
I just dont want people to think I gave up Absolutely, good sir. Will fixxy tomorrow.
(Merry Christmas, Scouts.) |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
1435
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:20:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Random 3 page troll thread gets tons of attention and reply from the DEVs.
Yet 283 Page thread gets completely ignored by the DEVs?
Seems Legit.
ho ho ho! meeeery xmazzzzz!
luv,
CCP
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1438
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:25:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Spademan wrote:Could I make a quick request to have my name unstricken?
I just dont want people to think I gave up Absolutely, good sir. Will fixxy tomorrow. (Merry Christmas, Scouts.)
Well in that case, unstrike me too.
I had to put the logi away. I was yawning so hard my dik fell off. I busted my knives out and it grew back.
I have no choice but to bankrupt myself. If only I could figure out how to run ishnoks with 0isk....
I've been knifing people across the face as I pass (when there's no lag) and it looks so awesome i wish I could record it. I have to say, no other game in history does knife hunting as well as CCP has. It's what brings me back.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
600
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Posted - 2013.12.25 04:28:00 -
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In going back to read the specific thread referenced, I find it ironic, that at the core of Scout Reg's remarks along the lines of "(I think the shotgun is underpowered, but I wont objectively discuss both sides of the issue)", and mollerz's now typical asshattery of "(I dont have anything constructive to say, so I'll just attack someone on a personal level)"...
the thread in question, is started by a long time player remarking that the shotgun is pretty much good as it is, other than hit detection.
TranquilBisquit ofVaLoR wrote: why everyone says that shotguns are useless now. i use them all the time and usually do great. and most of the time it's on a 287 ehp suit. the only problem i have with shotguns is the broke ass hit detection. ccp fixed it 1.6 for the most part, but the flash and no damage on a DIRECT HIT is back and kicking. on top of that is the sprinting bug, which has gotten me killed on more than a few occasions. but overrall it is a really fun and viable weapon to use.
so tell me, how is the shotgun no longer viable?
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Scout Registry
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Posted - 2013.12.25 05:46:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote: ... the thread is no longer a constructive idea/debate hub
Quil Evrything wrote: In going back to read the specific thread referenced, I find it ironic, that at the core of Scout Reg's remarks along the lines of "(I think the shotgun is underpowered, but I wont objectively discuss both sides of the issue)", and mollerz's now typical asshattery of "(I dont have anything constructive to say, so I'll just attack someone on a personal level)"...
@ Oswald Good to know. Thanks for looping me in.
@ Quil I spent six months "educating" folks on this subject. I failed to leave a lasting impression, clearly, but not for lack of effort. You'd have me cover all of this again? Regurgitate six months of feedback? On demand?
@ Scout Vets This thread's gone to sh*t. Apologies. How do we fix? Best we vets leave and let the noobs debate theory amongst themselves? Best we vets stick around to slap noobs about when they say stupid things? |
Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
600
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Posted - 2013.12.25 05:57:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Quil Evrything wrote: For the benefit of general shotgunnerry, how about getting specific?
I suspect you'd find "hand's on" experience to be much more meaningful than anything I could offer here in writing.
fyi: I may not be an uber shotgunner scout. or even a mediocre shotgunner scout.
but that didnt stop me from being #1 on the killboard just now, using nothing... and I mean nothing except a shotgun. A plain ordinary level 1 shotgun.
I didnt even use uplinks or hives. Just a hack or two on top of my kills and assists. Going solo in the city against a full squad. There was a proto suit or two. There was at least one heavy I soloed.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xlTVxXtDWPQ/UrpzQ5vXsZI/AAAAAAAAHns/YjCLE8-go3Q/w1649-h1237-no/IMG_3515.JPG
This was my first game playing shotgun in a month(?) so sadly, my skills were somewhat cold. I only had about a 1/3 of my kills as headshots.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-yHSs6mz6oro/UrpzQ9nKjEI/AAAAAAAAHn0/HIWCYsTKYok/w1649-h1237-no/IMG_3516.JPG |
Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
1312
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Posted - 2013.12.25 06:17:00 -
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I hate to be that guy.....
but 13-18 is TERRIBLE.
Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
1312
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Posted - 2013.12.25 06:20:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Scout Registry wrote:Spademan wrote:Could I make a quick request to have my name unstricken?
I just dont want people to think I gave up Absolutely, good sir. Will fixxy tomorrow. (Merry Christmas, Scouts.) Well in that case, unstrike me too. I had to put the logi away. I was yawning so hard my dik fell off. I busted my knives out and it grew back. I have no choice but to bankrupt myself. If only I could figure out how to run ishnoks with 0isk.... I've been knifing people across the face as I pass (when there's no lag) and it looks so awesome i wish I could record it. I have to say, no other game in history does knife hunting as well as CCP has. It's what brings me back.
Heh, I have a Proto MK.0 assault that I use, but I still can do just as well with my ADV Scout (Kill-wise, It's almost impossible to die in a Proto Assault suit if you are careful)
I do love my SMG/Flaylock kit. Combine with flux for maximum carnage
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Jak'Saan
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
162
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Posted - 2013.12.25 06:35:00 -
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So OP I know you are retired and all, but if you are still around, I never made it onto the list. I wouldn't normally bug you out of retirement, but I did ask way back when. Would like to be some where notable long after I retire (not quite yet). |
Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.12.25 06:39:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:I hate to be that guy..... but 13-18 is TERRIBLE.
lol, "my team was so worthless that even I came on top with a KDR of 0.72" is what those pictures show. I just finished a game going against a partial-scout squad. I was getting eaten alive by heavies that game. I was terrible... I used the scout g-1, basic shield extender, shotgun, mlt scrambler pistol, no EQ, a basic dampener and a basic armor repairer. Terrible game. I went 10/5
I spent months of open beta teaching people that the first rule of DUST 514 is: don't die It is better to go camp on the outskirts of the map than to go negative. Under special circumstances, like playing in high-stakes FW or PC, going negative in clone count is never showing off skills.
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