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xavier zor II
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Posted - 2015.06.20 03:53:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:VAHZZ wrote:First Prophet wrote:VAHZZ wrote:First Prophet wrote:Strafe nerf is gonna hurt scouts the hardest. It's the only thing that gave us a chance head on. Now it's straight stealth or die. Scout is all about stealth.. Infiltration and reconnaissance. As if I don't know? Sometimes you just need to get in there. That option's lost to us now. Because of strafing? That little dance that has nothing to do with stealth? Stealth on its own works great against straight randoms. Once you get the slightest bit of organization, the dance is our saving grace.
no, stealth works against about anyone.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
10
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:04:00 -
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With the HP/mobility combo being changed a bit with strafing, I think the HP will win out.
As far as brick tanking scouts, it seems to me easier to Dampen Assaults and give them KCs. Bricked tanked scouts have not been FotM for awhile.
If I remember what Shotty was referring to, they fixed it by toning down AA a lot. It used to be much stronger.
Something else to consider is that HP has been buffed a lot since then and DPS not so much. I am thinking this will be a huge scout nerf until the HP/ speed curve is put in. Stafing kept scouts in the game, even though it was broken.
I hope they don't wait long between the strafe nerf and the curve. Normally I don't advocate things being dropped in at once, but this time I think it is necessary.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:12:00 -
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xavier zor II wrote:
no, stealth works against about anyone.
Less so when the missions calls for attacking / defending heavily contested points in competitive play. Especially if the other side is fielding KB/M 360 degree focused scans.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:19:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:With the HP/mobility combo being changed a bit with strafing, I think the HP will win out.
As far as brick tanking scouts, it seems to me easier to Dampen Assaults and give them KCs. Bricked tanked scouts have not been FotM for awhile.
If I remember what Shotty was referring to, they fixed it by toning down AA a lot. It used to be much stronger.
Something else to consider is that HP has been buffed a lot since then and DPS not so much. I am thinking this will be a huge scout nerf until the HP/ speed curve is put in. Stafing kept scouts in the game, even though it was broken.
I hope they don't wait long between the strafe nerf and the curve. Normally I don't advocate things being dropped in at once, but this time I think it is necessary.
That sounds right. Good memory :-) I could see these changes pushing Scouts away from protracted, ranged engagements (excluding sniper play) and toward the high risk quick takedowns afforded SGs and NKs.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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xavier zor II
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:21:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:xavier zor II wrote:
no, stealth works against about anyone.
Less so when the missions calls for attacking / defending heavily contested points in competitive play. Especially if the other side is fielding KB/M 360 degree focused scans.
focused scans last 8 seconds and take 35 to recharge with max skills. You can avoid focused scans using a gal scout
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:38:00 -
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xavier zor II wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:xavier zor II wrote:
no, stealth works against about anyone.
Less so when the mission calls for attacking / defending heavily contested points in competitive play. Especially if the other side is fielding KB/M 360 degree focused scans. focused scans last 8 seconds and take 35 to recharge with max skills.
Assuming your numbers are right (they sound right, but I didn't doublecheck).
@ 0 Seconds - Scanner 1 fires; 360 degrees illuminated at 15dB for 8 seconds
Seconds (9,10) - Scans down.
@ 11 Seconds - Scanner 2 fires; 360 degrees illuminated at 15dB for 8 seconds
Seconds (19,20) - Scans down.
@ 21 Seconds - Scanner 3 fires; 360 degrees illuminated at 15dB for 8 seconds
Seconds (29,30) - Scans down.
@ 31 Seconds - Scanner 4 fires; 360 degrees illuminated at 15dB for 8 seconds
@ 35 Seconds - Scanner 1 is ready
^ In this scenario, your sneak-in-and-clear-the-point-with-stealth window is roughly 2 to 3 seconds. Good luck :-)
xavier zor II wrote:You can avoid focused scans using a gal scout
And if your GalScout is running the required 3 damps, how much HP will he have handy to clear sentinel(s) off the point?
TL;DR - KB/M Scannerinas are broken.
Note: If you're shotgunning/knifing point defenders, their passive scans are more likely than not painting your position to squad TacNet. Even if you're super damped and shotgunning as quietly as possible, there's still a really good chance nearby hostiles will be alerted to your presence. Point being, Focused Scans aren't the only thing working against your stealth argument.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:07:00 -
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I would love to biomass right now...
Instead, Imma eat cake
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
My Minja Blog
Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:11:00 -
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I keep getting worse, but I don't know what I can do about it...
Meanwhile, there's always that one person that seems to get the better of you every single time... 
I'm scared: rather than feeling blind rage, I only feel bland apathy. Am I gonna be ok?
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
My Minja Blog
Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:12:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I would love to biomass right now...
mollerz wrote:
walk it off, princess
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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xavier zor II
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:12:00 -
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@Adipem nothi focused scanners don't have a 360 degree radius, and unless they changed the scanning mechanic within the last week that doesn't happen. No one is going to run 4 focused scans with pathetic stats to counter someone.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
4
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:13:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I would love to biomass right now...
mollerz wrote:
walk it off, princess
I was waiting for that...
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
My Minja Blog
Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
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xavier zor II
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:14:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I keep getting worse, but I don't know what I can do about it... Meanwhile, there's always that one person that seems to get the better of you every single time... I'm scared: rather than feeling blind rage, I only feel bland apathy. Am I gonna be ok?
practice flying ADS...always makes me feel better when i get some kills on my recruit alt in a python...i can only imagine what the enemy team is thinking; 'How the hell did a noob figure out how to use a python!?!?'
xavier zor's alt
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
4
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:14:00 -
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Oh look, I found a little bit of rage.
There is life in me.
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
My Minja Blog
Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:17:00 -
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xavier zor II wrote:@Adipem nothi focused scanners don't have a 360 degree radius, and unless they changed the scanning mechanic within the last week that doesn't happen.
360 spin scanning was fixed for DS3, but is still possible via KB/M. Check out that spin scan at 0:42:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxhOgpwIeI4&feature=youtu.be
xavier zor II wrote:No one is going to run 4 focused scans with pathetic stats to counter someone.
We can't know what other people run. If I were being raided by a large number of Scouts, you better believe I'd field a KB/M GalLogi or two. If people pull out Focused Scanners in pubs (which they do often), then of course they'd do the same in PC.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:18:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:With the HP/mobility combo being changed a bit with strafing, I think the HP will win out.
As far as brick tanking scouts, it seems to me easier to Dampen Assaults and give them KCs. Bricked tanked scouts have not been FotM for awhile.
If I remember what Shotty was referring to, they fixed it by toning down AA a lot. It used to be much stronger.
Something else to consider is that HP has been buffed a lot since then and DPS not so much. I am thinking this will be a huge scout nerf until the HP/ speed curve is put in. Stafing kept scouts in the game, even though it was broken.
I hope they don't wait long between the strafe nerf and the curve. Normally I don't advocate things being dropped in at once, but this time I think it is necessary. That sounds right. Good memory :-) I could see these changes pushing Scouts away from protracted, ranged engagements (excluding sniper play) and toward the high risk quick takedowns afforded SGs and NKs. Centering back-to-back blasts and slashes should be a 'bit more reliable. The trick will be getting away.
I don't do the danceGǪ I suck at it for one. Two, my preferred weapons do not benefit from the dance.
When I hit an objective it goes a few ways.
Lightly defended 2-3 suits at the Letter. I take em out, bait them, pick em off using the socket to my advantage as best I can. Some sockets are art pieces to work in.
Meatgrinder objectives, 5-6 suits often a few Heavies. (yeah the ones that usually are Dom Letters). I'm not likely to take these, not alone. I'm hitting these and moving through. I probably die once or twice, take a few with me, hit it from different angles. Ultimately I'm sowing confusion and keeping them watching for me while I buy time for the HP suits to come in. I hit the opposite side that my team is rushing at that point. Take attention off the main push. The entrenched Reds have less of an advantage if they have to watch for that suicidal Minja coming from damn near anywhere.
When I defend a pointGǪ that's my homeGǪ you do not come in my socket without suffering casualties. Same as hitting a lightly defended letter. I'm moving popping in and out of the control points and cover other areas with RE.
Bottom lineGǪ I have to use hit and run tactics because I suck at wiggle wiggle, and AA does not help a Breach Flaylock. I think we will see more of this play in the scout field. This is the kind of play I believe Ratati is talking about when he say "tactical Shooter" I wonder if Min Ass will do it better? Will Sentinels go back to sitting on the stairs covering the door with massive HP tank? Maybe.
Personally I want to see more tactual choices and strategies be at play. I think that may happenGǪ I also think that if Wiggle stops working a percentage of the player base will adapt by going back to stacking HPGǪ We'll see.
Now that is how I run my MinjaGǪ and that is what I run the most.
My GalGǪ well it trolls around with a PLC most of the timeGǪ I don't expect to have to adapt that style to much. Though When I am being a bit more seriousGǪ I run a Tac AR for shots of opportunity and keep a amped up Ion Pistol for my dirty work. I can still see that working effectively, perhaps more so since wiggling will not be a near perfect defence from my TAC.
My CalGǪ RR and NK combo is most common. RR is used for ranged flanking hits. I'm not engaging with them if they can see me and I have cover to pop in and out of. It works well and I can see that holding as a style right now. NK well we all know what those are for 
Amarr scoutGǪ I use the SCR lots of charged shots followed by quick bursts. Close range or short, I almost never pull a sidearm when running this. SCR at close range surprise shot to the head Might as well be a NK in the back. Dancing does not save this suit, range or stealth is what makes it work. Having enough tank to get away helps. a bit more speed would be nice  ) Note I early hold an Objective with this suit as Hit and Run in closed sockets is not as effective. I'll usually just abandon the objective for a brief timeGǪ Go hack back that CRU they took over there and come back when the assault team has left to find more kills and a couple of books are left to defend.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:27:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:
When I defend a pointGǪ that's my homeGǪ you do not come in my socket without suffering casualties.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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xavier zor II
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:27:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:xavier zor II wrote:@Adipem nothi focused scanners don't have a 360 degree radius, and unless they changed the scanning mechanic within the last week that doesn't happen. 360 spin scanning was fixed for DS3, but is still possible via KB/M. Check out that spin scan at 0:42: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxhOgpwIeI4&feature=youtu.bexavier zor II wrote:No one is going to run 4 focused scans with pathetic stats to counter someone. If people pull out Focused Scanners in pubs (which they do often), I imagine they'd do the same in PC. If I were FC'ing a defense against a large number of Scouts, you better believe I'd field a KB/M GalLogi or two. These units remove the stealth option from the enemy's arsenal; if the Logi is sufficiently dug in, there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
that wasn't a glitch in the video. The scan covered where it was supposed to, i'm watching the rest to see for myself.
Unless your Lightning, Marauder or musturd no one is going to run 4 focused scanners of course unless it is in a PC
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:32:00 -
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In all honesty, it depends on the group. I've seen squads do it in FW and Pubs.
They sacrifice 1 unit in the squad for complete battlefield control. In a Dom or an Ambush, this is epic.
Know what cannot be known.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:33:00 -
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xavier zor II wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:xavier zor II wrote:@Adipem nothi focused scanners don't have a 360 degree radius, and unless they changed the scanning mechanic within the last week that doesn't happen. 360 spin scanning was fixed for DS3, but is still possible via KB/M. Check out that spin scan at 0:42: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxhOgpwIeI4&feature=youtu.bexavier zor II wrote:No one is going to run 4 focused scans with pathetic stats to counter someone. If people pull out Focused Scanners in pubs (which they do often), I imagine they'd do the same in PC. If I were FC'ing a defense against a large number of Scouts, you better believe I'd field a KB/M GalLogi or two. These units remove the stealth option from the enemy's arsenal; if the Logi is sufficiently dug in, there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. that wasn't a glitch in the video. The scan covered where it was supposed to, i'm watching the rest to see for myself. Unless your Lightning, Marauder or musturd no one is going to run 4 focused scanners of course unless it is in a PC
I guess I get to feel special 
I've actually had someone run multiple Blip Scans on me in pubs beforeGǪ more than once. It does not happen all the time, but it does happen.
Less frequent when I run EU serverGǪ I think the americas (NA and SA) just enjoy scanning more 
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VAHZZ
Liquid.Hound
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:33:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Oh look, I found a little bit of rage.
There is life in me.
When I specc into CalAss because of this lovely Seperatis CalBPO, I will be getting some tears.
In my cake..
GÖ¢ Soon, we shall meet again, in a galaxy far, far away. GÖ¢
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VAHZZ
Liquid.Hound
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:36:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:
When I defend a pointGǪ that's my homeGǪ you do not come in my socket without suffering casualties.
Back when I was a heavy, and still to this day when I am an Ass/Scout. This rings true. When I defend a point, you better be sure if i go down, i am taking an army with me.
GÖ¢ Soon, we shall meet again, in a galaxy far, far away. GÖ¢
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:37:00 -
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xavier zor II wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:xavier zor II wrote:@Adipem nothi focused scanners don't have a 360 degree radius, and unless they changed the scanning mechanic within the last week that doesn't happen. 360 spin scanning was fixed for DS3, but is still possible via KB/M. Check out that spin scan at 0:42: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxhOgpwIeI4&feature=youtu.bexavier zor II wrote:No one is going to run 4 focused scans with pathetic stats to counter someone. If people pull out Focused Scanners in pubs (which they do often), I imagine they'd do the same in PC. If I were FC'ing a defense against a large number of Scouts, you better believe I'd field a KB/M GalLogi or two. These units remove the stealth option from the enemy's arsenal; if the Logi is sufficiently dug in, there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. that wasn't a glitch in the video. The scan covered where it was supposed to, i'm watching the rest to see for myself. Unless your Lightning, Marauder or musturd no one is going to run 4 focused scanners of course unless it is in a PC edit: i was wrong, 30 seconds later he does it and it DOES s 360!! What a bummer :/
Bummer indeed. Prior to this video, both Arkena and Kaeru tested/confirmed that spinscanning via KB/M still works.
We can't know what other players will run, but assume let's assume they didn't run 4. Even at 2 or 3, the downtime between scans isn't very long. Certainly not long enough for a Scout to get into position and get the job done. The point is, 360 degree scans shouldn't be a thing.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:37:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I keep getting worse, but I don't know what I can do about it... Meanwhile, there's always that one person that seems to get the better of you every single time... I'm scared: rather than feeling blind rage, I only feel bland apathy. Am I gonna be ok?
You will be fineGǪ Bland apathy can be turned into Embracing the DeathGǪ join us Dreis. There is a certain Zen to it that makes the game fun
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:39:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:I've actually had someone run multiple Blip Scans on me in pubs beforeGǪ more than once. It does not happen all the time, but it does happen. Less frequent when I run EU serverGǪ I think the americas (NA and SA) just enjoy scanning more
Happens to me somewhat often in Ambush. Hit the same proto squad a few times. Out pop the Focused Scans. I take it as a compliment. Lol.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:46:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Llast 326 wrote:I've actually had someone run multiple Blip Scans on me in pubs beforeGǪ more than once. It does not happen all the time, but it does happen. Less frequent when I run EU serverGǪ I think the americas (NA and SA) just enjoy scanning more Happens to me somewhat often in Ambush. Hit the same proto squad a few times. Out pop the Focused Scans.
AmbushGǪ. GAHGǪ I could see that happening in there. I get it in DOM and SkirmGǪ mostly Dom.
I suck at ambush
You've seen
You know
I can't go back there man
I just can't
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VAHZZ
Liquid.Hound
3
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:48:00 -
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Ambush is truly hell..
It is too shiny in there, so much damn swag and bling, it blinds you.
And then it is like 14 ganging up against just little ol me.
I get the firing squad everytime...
GÖ¢ Soon, we shall meet again, in a galaxy far, far away. GÖ¢
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.06.20 05:54:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Ambush is truly hell.. It is too shiny in there, so much damn swag and bling, it blinds you. And then it is like 14 ganging up against just little ol me. I get the firing squad everytime...
You and me both 
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SpadeGǪ Remember your Warbarge
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.20 07:24:00 -
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Exams are over and I slept in until 8:20 today!
Good times. I also ate so much Chinese food yesterday that I still feel like Mr Creosote.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.20 07:39:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
Spitballed Slayer Rankings (Pubs)
CA Assault > GA Assault > MN/AM Assault > Heavies >= Scouts > Commandos > Logis
I know there was a data blip a while back where Calassaults became immensely popular, but that really was a data blip caused by something weird going on in the data pull. I don't think they're actually that great.
Is the SCR getting nerfed? I haven't been keeping up, but if it isn't the Amarr assault is certainly not a contender for the worst assault post-strafe speed nerf. Indeed, it's likely to be the least affected by a strafe speed nerf given that it relies on heavy HP tanking rather than strafe anyway.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.20 07:42:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
Match Quality
* Ambush, Dom & Acq support Fireteams (4)
* Skirmish supports Squads (6)
* FW & PC supports Platoons (8)
* Changes to EOM pay structure
Again, I've not been keeping up, but are there sources on these? Because these changes alone would make me super excited.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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