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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:44:00 -
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Jak'Saan wrote:Guys I'm needing some clarity. I am proto Min scout. I have been running an adv suit, crg sg, nk, cpx red, adv green, cpx ext, bsc ext apx 30K isk. My games have been amazing! I've been getting 20/7, 30/10, etc and then last night I thought I'd make a cheaper suit for fun. I used dragonfly, basic armour rep, basic reactive plates, dren sg, nk, cpx ext 11K ISK and I was running 20/2 30/5 one match my only death was a redline suicide.
WTF?!?! is gallente way better than min? What am I missing? How did I not know this? Or is there genuinely something I am forgetting which makes min scout as good as I thought it was? I hate gal scout because it is so ugly, but yet, it's like the easy mode of hard mode!!!!!!
Min scouts out there, my faith is wavering. Tell me why min is better than gal.
NK damage is OP.
Better speed w/o modules.
Better general mobility.
Apart from that, it's an acquired taste.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Lucifalic
The Generals
EoN.
152
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:51:00 -
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Sounds to me your just op |
Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
790
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:54:00 -
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Ruthless Lee wrote:Lucifalic wrote:I'll give it a go after work. How are the other changes looking? Heard it's easier to hit with an ar or scram now...if that's even possible I can''t speak for everyone ... and I don't have any idea how it's possible ... but it does seem to me that AR's and ScR's are cutting me down even quicker today. If it keeps going like this, I will start dying when people simply select their AR fit on the spawn-in screen...
Hopefully, with the better HD, this would mean that we would be forced to flank and be even more sneaky now.
At the same time, I would be fine with this if the HD would make it so that I can actually kill my targets before they turn around.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:42:00 -
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Problem, the first: you're bringing a knife to a gun fight.
What I've heard from a few people is that Minmatar suits are better at using AR/Scrambler Rifle while Gallente Suit is better with the shotgun. . . seeing as I've rarely been killed by a Minmatar suit with a shotgun- no, wait. I can't ever remember dying to a Minmatar shotgun Scout, though I've killed plenty of you guys.
Which just makes the Nova Knife skill bonus all the more useless.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
296
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:59:00 -
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Original reasoning for going winmitar was the 10m/s base sprint. U were basically seabiscuit on steroids.
After sprint speed/stamina were nerfed there is far less reason to go winmitar. Also the 5% role bonus doesn't do much unless you are charging your knives and the melee bonus is pointless since....why melee when you can use a knife.
Secondly, I too run BPO dragonfly and do just as well. The reason being that scout suits die in roughly the same amount of time.
@Appia, the best way to kill a scout is not via shotgun or knife (bringing shotgun to easy mode fight). I almost always change to SMG/AR when against another shotgunner and normally come out ahead, which could partially explain the lack of shotgun kills from minmitar. Backpedal = WIN
Secondary reasoning is we normally chose either shotgun OR knife. Its a rare day when I have a shotgun on my loadout over a knife.
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1945
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:27:00 -
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Ruthless Lee wrote:
I can''t speak for everyone ... and I don't have any idea how it's possible ... but it does seem to me that AR's and ScR's are cutting me down even quicker today. If it keeps going like this, I will start dying when people simply select their AR fit on the spawn-in screen...
Same observation. ScRs most notably. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1845
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:58:00 -
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Well expect for more scouts to drop out, this is bloody horrendous.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 1
Tryhard Veteran
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Cass Caul
232
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:11:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Original reasoning for going winmitar was the 10m/s base sprint. U were basically seabiscuit on steroids.
After sprint speed/stamina were nerfed there is far less reason to go winmitar. Also the 5% role bonus doesn't do much unless you are charging your knives and the melee bonus is pointless since....why melee when you can use a knife.
Secondly, I too run BPO dragonfly and do just as well. The reason being that scout suits die in roughly the same amount of time.
@Appia, the best way to kill a scout is not via shotgun or knife (bringing shotgun to easy mode fight). I almost always change to SMG/AR when against another shotgunner and normally come out ahead, which could partially explain the lack of shotgun kills from minmitar. Backpedal = WIN
Secondary reasoning is we normally chose either shotgun OR knife. Its a rare day when I have a shotgun on my loadout over a knife.
you mean 7,8. 10,0 was the shield-scout (type-I, A-series, vk.0) speed.
As an EVE vet, I have to say a dispairity between low and high slots is always better than a even build. But yeah. that F-in' Stamina delay.
My best games are actually in the Dragonfly suit. probably because I play more conservatively in them. lol, yup I play more conservatively in a 9K ISK suit than in my 160K ISK suit.
Yeah, but then you just start playing DDR as I switch to my Scrambler Pistol and avoid all your continuous fire :p
But seriously today was awful. Sentinels and heavies with Ishukone Assault SMGs were just tearing my suit to shreds as they survived longer.
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1949
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:33:00 -
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Preliminary review of 1.6 Shotgun improvements:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1465925 |
Lightning Bolt2
From The Mist
308
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:36:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Lucifalic wrote:I'll give it a go after work. How are the other changes looking? Heard it's easier to hit with an ar or scram now...if that's even possible I can''t speak for everyone ... and I don't have any idea how it's possible ... but it does seem to me that AR's and ScR's are cutting me down even quicker today. If it keeps going like this, I will start dying when people simply select their AR fit on the spawn-in screen... Hopefully, with the better HD, this would mean that we would be forced to flank and be even more sneaky now. At the same time, I would be fine with this if the HD would make it so that I can actually kill my targets before they turn around.
I've done 4 matches today, and I feel like hit detections still broken! I'm not getting blue shields but I've got to a heavy BEHIND HIM sent 2 charged blades to his back (we were both standing still) 1 of the 2 hit then the rest of my knives delt no DMG as
he destroyed me!!!
well, lets see what other games I can find.
remember, when you first see lightning play in a open field!
from the non-existent mist!
forum warrior lvl: pathetic!
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Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
343
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:39:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:
I've done 4 matches today, and I feel like hit detections still broken! I'm not getting blue shields but I've got to a heavy BEHIND HIM sent 2 charged blades to his back (we were both standing still) 1 of the 2 hit then the rest of my knives delt no DMG as
he destroyed me!!!
Oddly, I was finding similar brokenness, the day BEFORE the official update.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Or in this case, Iceland
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1622
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:49:00 -
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Recorded a few matches, going to put up a video regarding knives later today.
This injustice will not stand.
Check out & sub my youtube. Yay!
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1952
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:57:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Recorded a few matches, going to put up a video regarding knives later today.
This injustice will not stand.
* On Hands and Knees *
Please, don't publish the recording of you smashing my face today. Over and over again.
(Jokes)
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Cass Caul
234
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:00:00 -
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Remember guys, it was a shotgun and nova knife improvement. They never promised to fix it completely.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1846
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:02:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Remember guys, it was a shotgun and nova knife improvement. They never promised to fix it completely.
Yup, aparently they were to busy making the ar hit more.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 1
Tryhard Veteran
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1954
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:09:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:
Yup, aparently they were to busy making the ar hit more.
And ScR ... something evil about that gun today.
Imperial's dropping me faster than Duvolle.
Not that there's a big difference between 0.5 and 0.3 seconds :-)
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:12:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:
Yup, aparently they were to busy making the ar hit more.
And ScR ... something evil about that gun today. Imperial's dropping me faster than Duvolle. Not that there's a big difference between 0.5 and 0.3 seconds :-)
That's because the Imperial is 87 base damage per shot (120% against shields) and a charge shot is an insane multiplier on top of 180% headshot damage. Proficiency V and 2 complex damage mods increase that to 120 base 
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VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
14
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:13:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Well expect for more scouts to drop out, this is bloody horrendous.
I have yet to try out the "improvements"..is it that bad?
> Master of the Sniper and rookie NKer
"I'll show you fear and madness"
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1955
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:19:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:That's because the Imperial is 87 base damage per shot (120% against shields) and a charge shot is an insane multiplier on top of 180% headshot damage. Proficiency V and 2 complex damage mods increase that to 120 base
Non-charged. Hip-fired. Reactive.
Scenario played out quite a few times with the same guy today ... Scotty liked putting him on the other team.
I sneak up ... fire first blast.
He turns around as I fire second blast.
I'm dropped from full health to nothing before I could get off 3rd blast.
Granted, I was running Advanced Gear (300-400HP w/standard SG), but again ...
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1847
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:21:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Well expect for more scouts to drop out, this is bloody horrendous. I have yet to try out the "improvements"..is it that bad?
The NK improvement is minimal, haven't tried shotty.
However it's the vastly improved hit detection of the sub and automatic weapons that's the true nut cruncher.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 1
Tryhard Veteran
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Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
707
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:22:00 -
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If I had a pro minnie I would have 3 shield ext. 1 kin and 1 damp. all pro except for damp.
for a combat gk.0 I would like 1 shield ext. 1 armor plate, 2 armor rep, 1 shield regulator. I would engage and disengage quickly. come here respec. |
IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
299
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:23:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Lightning Bolt2 wrote:
I've done 4 matches today, and I feel like hit detections still broken! I'm not getting blue shields but I've got to a heavy BEHIND HIM sent 2 charged blades to his back (we were both standing still) 1 of the 2 hit then the rest of my knives delt no DMG as
he destroyed me!!!
Oddly, I was finding similar brokenness, the day BEFORE the official update. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Or in this case, Iceland
Are you using adv or pro knives?
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
644
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:28:00 -
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Well, after a long night at work I excitedly logged on and downloaded today's patch. I thought today was the day for the scout!!! 1.6 for the win!
I got totally wrecked. Over and over again. Seriously, it felt like AR's were one shotting me.
My best game was 3/2... and that was a grenade kill followed by executing 2 snipers in the back of the head. 
Now I need to adapt *again* and find ANOTHER play style that sort of works. Man, I am eyeing those medium frame/AR users with such jealousy. Why not just go logi / AR, run an active scanner and call it good???
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Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
792
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:28:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Lightning Bolt2 wrote:
I've done 4 matches today, and I feel like hit detections still broken! I'm not getting blue shields but I've got to a heavy BEHIND HIM sent 2 charged blades to his back (we were both standing still) 1 of the 2 hit then the rest of my knives delt no DMG as
he destroyed me!!!
Oddly, I was finding similar brokenness, the day BEFORE the official update. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Or in this case, Iceland Are you using adv or pro knives?
I find that the damage with Pro knives can be the game changer. It can take 2-3 swipes with ADV knives at 3/4 charge to kill a pro heavy. Pro knives on the other hand (with my proficiency 3, and enhanced sidearm damage mod) will DROP a heavy if you connect with charge.
I also one swiped a heavy with full charged PRO Knives yesterday. Prolly made him mad.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Knight Soiaire
R 0 N 1 N
3044
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:31:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Well, after a long night at work I excitedly logged on and downloaded today's patch. I thought today was the day for the scout!!! 1.6 for the win! I got totally wrecked. Over and over again. Seriously, it felt like AR's were one shotting me. My best game was 3/2... and that was a grenade kill followed by executing 2 snipers in the back of the head. Now I need to adapt *again* and find ANOTHER play style that sort of works. Man, I am eyeing those medium frame/AR users with such jealousy. Why not just go logi / AR, run an active scanner and call it good???
I'm going Sniper for now.
As long as I can stay out of their range, I should do fine.
Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
644
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:38:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:
I'm going Sniper for now.
As long as I can stay out of their range, I should do fine.
Seems like the best plan of attack; I may follow suit. Either that or relegate myself to sniper hunting.... either way, heading for the hills seems to be a solid move. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
344
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:42:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:
Oddly, I was finding similar brokenness, the day BEFORE the official update.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Or in this case, Iceland
Are you using adv or pro knives?
ADV.
Ive never noticed problems myself, with stationary targets before. But here's what happened to me, day before patch update.
Went running up behind a sniper on a ledge o rsomething.
Did my charge. Waited a split second to allow for any lag to catch up. Let go the knives. swish-swish.. i think I
saw a blue glow.... but NO DAMAGE on the target! And he did not move!
(and I'm RIGHT behind him)
At least that meant he didnt notice anything, so I charged and swiped again. OHK.
Was wondering what was up that time. Thought maybe I actually "missed". He was crouching, maybe I should have waited until the tac readout showed his suit info, etc
So, on a subsequent battle, I waited that little bit longer... full charge, snuck up behind a completely stationary sniper... got the suit readout, so i KNOW I was on target and in range!... snick-snick... and NO HIT!!
I wasnt moving, he wasnt moving!
I haent had the chance to play much after the patch, so cant comment there. But I'm taking the time to write this up, because I have almost never seen this problem before on stationary targets, even though I've done a fair amount of knife kills.
To have it happen twice in one day... within an hour of each other.... seems extremely odd.
Will have to try for more sniper carving tonight
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Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
344
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:45:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:
I'm going Sniper for now.
As long as I can stay out of their range, I should do fine.
Seems like the best plan of attack; I may follow suit. Either that or relegate myself to sniper hunting.... either way, heading for the hills seems to be a solid move.
I sniper-trolled yesterday. I was in a counter-sniper fit, heading for a position, when I hear.... -that sound-.
I didnt have my usual knives on me, just sniper rifle and pistol.
So I snuck up on him.... and killed him with the sniper rifle :D
Wish I could have seen his face if he looked at the kill data
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Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
794
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:52:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:If I had a pro minnie I would have 3 shield ext. 1 kin and 1 damp. all pro except for damp.
for a combat gk.0 I would like 1 shield ext. 1 armor plate, 2 armor rep, 1 shield regulator. I would engage and disengage quickly. come here respec.
Here is what I will run on my Proto Scout.
Total eHP: 357
Shields: 270
Armor: 87
Speed: 9.35
2x Complex Shields
1x Complex Sidearm Damage Mod
Ishi Knives
Ishi Assault SMG
Core Nades
Boundless RE's
Complex Speed
Complex CPU upgrade
I love Sidearm damage mods. I give up some shields for a much higher DPS, and I find that it really helps the "Hit and Run" style gameplay that I run.
With the Knives, my base slash for each is around 316, and my SMG deals around 560 base DPS.
Explosives are vital to this suit as well, and I really think it fits the Minmatar suit. Stealth, SMG's and EXPLOSIONS.
Now if it weren't for the dang proto scanners. This suit is useless against them.
On the other hand, very few run the Proto Scan in most matches. It's really only good for picking up scouts, and I know logis would hate to drop their other slots to run a Pro scan.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
344
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:17:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:
On the other hand, very few run the Proto Scan in most matches. It's really only good for picking up scouts, and I know logis would hate to drop their other slots to run a Pro scan.
When I get some other priorities out of the way, I'm going to skill into proto scanners.
And run them.
Well, not 'them', really.
'It'.
Yeah, that's right. You know the one.
All. The. Time.
ph33r meh
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