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Varoth Drac wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

@ Varoth

Have you looked at the passive scan stats of a Logi with 3 precision enhancers?

I have. 12/24/31db. Excellent for scanning poorly damped scouts and assaults, though you only really need 2 precision to get excellent anti-assault scans.

Thing is, in PC for example, you are very likely to have a Gallente logi somewhere spewing 21db scans all over whichever socket you find yourself in. A scout with a profile higher than 21db is kind of dead, and so probably pretty rare.

I guess it would protect you from speed hacks (high slot codebreakers please). That's a pretty specific thing to sacrifice all those slots for.

There is the inner ring, which is a pain, but it only takes one precision mod to make that nasty.

So in a meta where scouts are focusing on getting below 21db, I don't see how some 24db logi scans are much of a threat. Whereas the 18db scans from an Amarr scout seem more dangerous.

If we are discussing scanning mediums and heavies, ok, the logi scans are great, though active scanners are better. An Amarr scout can scan assaults at 30m with no module investment, whereas a logi can only scan them at 19m. It takes two precision mods before the logi can beat the Amarr scout, at which point the logi can scan assaults at 38m.

But this is kind of irrelevant. You don't want your Amarr scout sitting in a pack of heavies trying to be a radar dish. You want them out placing links in fun places, destoying enemy links, hacking stuff, flanking, ambushing. All the stuff any other scout does. Passive scans are still useful for these tasks. I do agree however, that the Amarr bonus, compared to other scouts, seems poor. Even though I dispute that it is useless, or redundant due to passive scanning logis.

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J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2794	Posted - 2015.04.27 02:59:00 - [34471] - Quote Going to try playing with kbm like tuesday when they get here. Wish me luck lol. The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD TheYoutube
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2816	Posted - 2015.04.27 04:31:00 - [34472] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: @Mina Longstrike Try and keep the inflammatory rhetoric to a minimum please You're not my dad, you cant tell me what to do. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23512	Posted - 2015.04.27 05:50:00 - [34473] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: despite my avatar I'm about as Gallente as a paper bag You displease me. glares Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
Flaylock Steve Nos Nothi 766	Posted - 2015.04.27 06:03:00 - [34474] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: despite my avatar I'm about as Gallente as a paper bag You displease me. glares My character is Cal, but I only have gal scout and min scout to proto lol. I honestly like both min and gal equally.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2666	Posted - 2015.04.27 06:17:00 - [34475] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: @Mina Longstrike Try and keep the inflammatory rhetoric to a minimum please You're not my dad, you cant tell me what to do. Or am I?n+ên+Çpâ+-¦n+ë Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Dreis Shadowweaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3217	Posted - 2015.04.27 07:32:00 - [34476] - Quote Dreis' Blog - The Road to Redemption Day 10 - Bonus Compensation Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance 2749	Posted - 2015.04.27 11:33:00 - [34477] - Quote Early ninja... wounder how much im going to improve today? If i want to keep up i have no choice. PARKOUR in DUST (MYOS) \m/, Fear the PARKOURing Scouts Mk.0 Gk.0 Snake Eyes>All I wil get good, Determinator inbound
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9232	Posted - 2015.04.27 13:37:00 - [34478] - Quote http://biomassed.net/2015/04/27/episode-51-rattati-returns/ ~ 00:33:20 Q. What things makes you rage? [Paraphrased] A. Nothing p!sses me off right now in the game; nothing specifically. Cloaking used to but doesn't anymore; maybe we nerfed it too much. But I do like the system ... we can tweak that. ~ 00:54:00 Q. There's been alot of discussion about raiding. Your thoughts? [Paraphrased] A. The raiding concept ... for a new corporation, it is prohibitively expensive to save up for clone packs ... what we're trying to do is allow you to get some training in through raiding ... the design is that you can attack a district through command points ... raiding could be an 8v8 battle, for example. The raid would spin up a battle; maybe acquisition or domination; maybe less skirmish. The design would be, if you attack a district with clones and you win, you would sell a percentage immediately and reap the reward. If you lose, you get nothing but the damage you inflicted. ~ 01:33:20 Q. Goals for next hotfix? [Paraphrased] A. Logis are next. Will probably swap Assault and Logistic speeds to keep in line with a hitpoint-per-speed ratio. This might help with the Minmatar Assault issue as well. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Dreis Shadowweaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3244	Posted - 2015.04.27 14:48:00 - [34479] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Dreis' Blog - The Road to Redemption Day 10 - Bonus Compensation BAH! What a terrible title! I was in such a rush that I couldn't think of anything else. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9235	Posted - 2015.04.27 15:00:00 - [34480] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Varoth Have you looked at the passive scan stats of a Logi with 3 precision enhancers? I have. 12/24/31db. Excellent for scanning poorly damped scouts and assaults, though you only really need 2 precision to get excellent anti-assault scans. Thing is, in PC for example, you are very likely to have a Gallente logi somewhere spewing 21db scans all over whichever socket you find yourself in. A scout with a profile higher than 21db is kind of dead, and so probably pretty rare. I guess it would protect you from speed hacks (high slot codebreakers please). That's a pretty specific thing to sacrifice all those slots for. There is the inner ring, which is a pain, but it only takes one precision mod to make that nasty. So in a meta where scouts are focusing on getting below 21db, I don't see how some 24db logi scans are much of a threat. Whereas the 18db scans from an Amarr scout seem more dangerous. If we are discussing scanning mediums and heavies, ok, the logi scans are great, though active scanners are better. An Amarr scout can scan assaults at 30m with no module investment, whereas a logi can only scan them at 19m. It takes two precision mods before the logi can beat the Amarr scout, at which point the logi can scan assaults at 38m. But this is kind of irrelevant. You don't want your Amarr scout sitting in a pack of heavies trying to be a radar dish. You want them out placing links in fun places, destoying enemy links, hacking stuff, flanking, ambushing. All the stuff any other scout does. Passive scans are still useful for these tasks. I do agree however, that the Amarr bonus, compared to other scouts, seems poor. Even though I dispute that it is useless, or redundant due to passive scanning logis. I think we're pretty close to being on the same page here, Varoth. My take: Are the AM Scout and its bonus useless? No. Are the AM Scout and its bonus competitive? No. Are AM Scout Passives better than Logi Passives? Yes. Are AM Scout Passives significantly better than Logi Passives? No. Are AM Scout Passives significantly worse than GalLogi Actives? Yes. Does the AM Scout's bonus presently provide for it a unique and meaningful strength in competitive play? No. Would the AM Scout bonus become more meaningful if Range Extenders and/or Falloff were retooled? Very likely. The question, is it a design goal for Passive Scans to compete with Active Scans? If not, then the AM Scout needs a different bonus, as its passive scans are (and will likely remain) unable to compete with GalLogi Actives. In my mind, there's a gap between "AM Scout passives are useless" and "AM Scout passives are competitive". I believe we're somewhere in between, and I believe that we'll have to better to see racial parity restored within the class. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Dreis Shadowweaver 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 3244	Posted - 2015.04.27 15:00:00 - [34481] - Quote My Blog has been moved to The Locker Room. Time to take my own life. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
Spademan 6401	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:08:00 - [34482] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: My Blog has been moved to The Locker Room. Time to take my own life. Why bother? You'll just end up in a new clone anyway. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9797	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:11:00 - [34483] - Quote Spademan wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: My Blog has been moved to The Locker Room. Time to take my own life. Why bother? You'll just end up in a new clone anyway. I hear suicide in public places gets the death penalty. New Eden PD really frowns on such things. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9797	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:13:00 - [34484] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: http://biomassed.net/2015/04/27/episode-51-rattati-returns/ ~ 00:33:20 Q. What things makes you rage? [Paraphrased] A. Nothing p!sses me off right now in the game; nothing specifically. Cloaking used to but doesn't anymore; maybe we nerfed it too much. But I do like the system ... we can tweak that. ~ 00:54:00 Q. There's been alot of discussion about raiding. Your thoughts? [Paraphrased] A. The raiding concept ... for a new corporation, it is prohibitively expensive to save up for clone packs ... what we're trying to do is allow you to get some training in through raiding ... the design is that you can attack a district through command points ... raiding could be an 8v8 battle, for example. The raid would spin up a battle; maybe acquisition or domination; maybe less skirmish. The design would be, if you attack a district with clones and you win, you would sell a percentage immediately and reap the reward. If you lose, you get nothing but the damage you inflicted. ~ 01:33:20 Q. Goals for next hotfix? [Paraphrased] A. Logis are next. Will probably swap Assault and Logistic speeds to keep in line with a hitpoint-per-speed ratio. This might help with the Minmatar Assault issue as well. All good news. If raiding only entails 8 people, we can totally do multiple raids on a corp during peak hours, and keep up pressure easily at various times. So long as cloak adjustments and assault changes don't happen at the same time, we should be good. Preferably assault changes first. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Spademan 6401	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:16:00 - [34485] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: http://biomassed.net/2015/04/27/episode-51-rattati-returns/ ~ 00:33:20 Q. What things makes you rage? [Paraphrased] A. Nothing p!sses me off right now in the game; nothing specifically. Cloaking used to but doesn't anymore; maybe we nerfed it too much. But I do like the system ... we can tweak that. ~ 00:54:00 Q. There's been alot of discussion about raiding. Your thoughts? [Paraphrased] A. The raiding concept ... for a new corporation, it is prohibitively expensive to save up for clone packs ... what we're trying to do is allow you to get some training in through raiding ... the design is that you can attack a district through command points ... raiding could be an 8v8 battle, for example. The raid would spin up a battle; maybe acquisition or domination; maybe less skirmish. The design would be, if you attack a district with clones and you win, you would sell a percentage immediately and reap the reward. If you lose, you get nothing but the damage you inflicted. ~ 01:33:20 Q. Goals for next hotfix? [Paraphrased] A. Logis are next. Will probably swap Assault and Logistic speeds to keep in line with a hitpoint-per-speed ratio. This might help with the Minmatar Assault issue as well. All good news. If raiding only entails 8 people, we can totally do multiple raids on a corp during peak hours, and keep up pressure easily at various times. So long as cloak adjustments and assault changes don't happen at the same time, we should be good. Preferably assault changes first. Even better if we can find out when other corps are attacking each other so we can plan a raid for a similar time. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Spademan 6401	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:25:00 - [34486] - Quote http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-dust-514-skin-modules/?_ga=1.224489113.240384857.1397159821 No Syndicate colour. ::Sadface What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9237	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:30:00 - [34487] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: http://biomassed.net/2015/04/27/episode-51-rattati-returns/ 1. All good news. If raiding only entails 8 people, we can totally do multiple raids on a corp during peak hours, and keep up pressure easily at various times. 2. So long as cloak adjustments and assault changes don't happen at the same time, we should be good. Preferably assault changes first. 1. Agreed. It sounds like the model he has in mind for Raids will be casual, affordable and right up our alley. I'm thinking Raids are going to be alot of fun and a great place to practice for PC. Absolutely love the idea of 8-man squads for Raids and FW. 2. HP/Mobility seemed specific and imminent. Cloak changes did not. Completely agree that both should not occur at the same time and that HP/Mobility should be the higher priority. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
2Berries Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 814	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:33:00 - [34488] - Quote Did i hear the update is planned for tomorrow? Hard to distinguish gossip from fact. Evening Boys, Hows the water?
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2361	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:33:00 - [34489] - Quote ... I kinda want to raid nos nothi... Not gonna lie I really want to shoot/stab/maul all of you XD I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9237	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:35:00 - [34490] - Quote 2Berries wrote: Did i hear the update is planned for tomorrow? Hard to distinguish gossip from fact. Last we heard, 1.1 hits tomorrow. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

First Prophet Nos Nothi 2857	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:36:00 - [34491] - Quote noob cavman wrote: ... I kinda want to raid nos nothi... Not gonna lie I really want to shoot/stab/maul all of you XD Too bad we don't have anything to raid. :p People find this this review helpful!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9237	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:36:00 - [34492] - Quote Spademan wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-dust-514-skin-modules/?_ga=1.224489113.240384857.1397159821 No Syndicate colour. ::Sadface Whoa! Those look really good. Personal favorites: Thukker, Serpentis, Guristas Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2857	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:37:00 - [34493] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Spademan wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-dust-514-skin-modules/?_ga=1.224489113.240384857.1397159821 No Syndicate colour. ::Sadface Whoa! Those look really good. Personal favorites: Thukker, Serpentis, Guristas Republic marine tho! People find this this review helpful!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9237	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:45:00 - [34494] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Spademan wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-dust-514-skin-modules/?_ga=1.224489113.240384857.1397159821 No Syndicate colour. ::Sadface Whoa! Those look really good. Personal favorites: Thukker, Serpentis, Guristas Republic marine tho! I know! So much awesome! http://imgur.com/KQN5vH5 Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23525	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:45:00 - [34495] - Quote http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.php Usage data. Notes: Minassault is so popular that it alone of all the assault class appears twice in the top ten most used suits. The other ADV assaults also appear. Three scouts are present, excluding the Amarr scout. Two logis are present, excluding the Cal and Gallogi. Rifles are relatively in proportion to one another (no more RRs with 60% of the usage table). The ion pistol is the only sidearm to not be included in the top 10 most used sidearms (which includes the magsec). SMG is top, as has always been. Of the equipment, the only one that doesn't appear is the active scanner. Nanohives, of course, have a majority. Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2362	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:53:00 - [34496] - Quote Bahh! People just need to learn how to use the ion pistol. Wish I could spam the entire clip tho... Also that I wouldn't get overheat glitch... That and the damn thing has terrible hit detection... Very short range.... looks at his ion suspiciously tell me bob why did I sink 2 million sp into you? I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9240	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:53:00 - [34497] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.php Of the equipment, the only one that doesn't appear is the active scanner. Nanohives, of course, have a majority. Proto EQ seldom makes the cut; I'm willing to bet we'd see more Active Scanner usage in that chart if STD and ADV Scanners were worth running. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Spademan 6404	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:56:00 - [34498] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Bahh! People just need to learn how to use the ion pistol. Wish I could spam the entire clip tho... Also that I wouldn't get overheat glitch... That and the damn thing has terrible hit detection... Very short range.... looks at his ion suspiciously tell me bob why did I sink 2 million sp into you? I'll let you in on the most effective way to use the Ion pistol. Go to your fitting. Go to the sidearm slot. Remove the Ion Pistol. Equip a sub machine gun. Job done. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2860	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:57:00 - [34499] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.php Of the equipment, the only one that doesn't appear is the active scanner. Nanohives, of course, have a majority. I'm willing to bet we'd see more Active Scanner usage in that chart if STD and ADV Scanners were of greater value. If Active Scanners were to be overhauled, I'd propose we tighten the precision progressions. Been enjoying the scanner myself. Way better than using a cloak. People find this this review helpful!
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2362	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:58:00 - [34500] - Quote But spaaaaaade How can I have a true gal fit with out bob? I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.



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