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Ares 514 wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Quil Evrything wrote:

Ares 514 wrote:

A better way of wording that is that SP/ISK should be calculated by WP/sec instead of WP. This way it wouldn't matter when you joined a battle, I.e start, mid way through or end.

Waitwhut?

i would think having it more strongly go DIRECTLY with WP, rather than the current
(WP + time spent in battle)
should be much better.

To put it another way:

someone who spends 5 minutes in a battle, but does 3 hacks, 5 kills, and 2 assists, should get more SP than someone who sat in the warbarge for the entire 15 minutes of the battle.

Yeah okay maybe your WP/sec also has that effect...

but I also think that someone who just comes in and gets lucky in the last 5 minutes, thus having a skewed WP/sec, should NOT get some miraculously high SP payout either.
I think there should be linear WP payouts combined with some baseline participation bonus. but the WP=> SP payout should be higher than it currently is.

Agreed.

And they should also have some minimum you get if you spawn in at the end of a match. Just to soften the blow.

I actually disagree. If you get screwed over waiting 2+ minutes and the loadscreen to get in to a half done battle (usually on the worse side) and then perform as well as everyone else for that time your in why not reward you as if you fought the whole match? It would be a great reward for getting screwed over on not getting a full game and make players try there hardest when put into battles mid way through since they would get better pay out for each min spent.

If this was done it would change everyone's attitude towards being deployed to games already underway and no one would leave when deployed to them making a better experience for everyone.

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Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23289	Posted - 2015.04.20 17:38:00 - [33751] - Quote Bah, PC master race. xD Is there a way to carry over my PC stuff to PS4? Gallente Guide one day i may leave the basement but that day is not today
Spademan 6315	Posted - 2015.04.20 17:40:00 - [33752] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: random brag: ohai, forum posting level 2 ! Scrub. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2281	Posted - 2015.04.20 17:43:00 - [33753] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Bah, PC master race. xD Is there a way to carry over my PC stuff to PS4? You can but it's a one time no going back kind of deal. Founder's pack will not cross over nore some other stuff. But your pc profile will still be there. Infact info here I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2200	Posted - 2015.04.20 17:56:00 - [33754] - Quote There's a new PLAKKER in the town down the road... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2733405#post2733405
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9000	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:00:00 - [33755] - Quote @ Spademan Do you want me to add you to this? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Spademan 6316	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:26:00 - [33756] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Spademan Do you want me to add you to this? If you wish, though I won't be able to provide you with info beyond 30-ish million sp and LR 2 What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23291	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:28:00 - [33757] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Founder's pack will not cross over Screw that then. Glorious Excalibur Prime FTW. Gallente Guide one day i may leave the basement but that day is not today
Spademan 6316	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:37:00 - [33758] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: There's a new PLAKKER in the town down the road... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2733405#post2733405 For the record, that'd be a duodecapost. But I'm not sure, it seems like pure spam. Anyone else want to weigh in? What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4424	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:46:00 - [33759] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I think that I'm thoroughly sick of matchmaking and everything related to it. Maybe in the 31940832th iteration of matchmaking it'll be decent. Maybe then. I wish they just went back to the last version. I almost can't stand to play currently. I hate the numerically unbalanced matches. I don't want to play with only 12 guys on each side +/-4 for one side. All i want is 16vs16 so the maps are full and the battles aren't boring. Domination is HORRIBLE currently, and I can't for the life of me get another map except that damn train one 90% of the time. In summary, I agree :) Based on my observations and testing that mach disparity is much more about player behavior than match making. Within the sample of games I played ~60 for the testing only 2 had a team disparity of greater than +/-2 before players began to leave match. Within that same sample there were 4 matches that had less than 14 on each side. Now this weekend has been an exception to all of that, the internal errors and server issues have rendered the game nearly unplayable at times and the matches lopsided and largely empty. All of that is a mess to be sure, but isn't due to the MM logic. I agree with you on Dom however, it is a mess even without the server errors going on. It's a strange twist but the nature of Dom has made it so that the more evenly balanced the teams the more lopsided the majority of the match tends to be. Granted part of that is just players leaving, but part of that is simply how Dom is built with a single static point as the center of the action. Hopefully the new acquisition mode will not fall prey to these shortcomings. CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23291	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:58:00 - [33760] - Quote Spademan wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: There's a new PLAKKER in the town down the road... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2733405#post2733405 For the record, that'd be a duodecapost. But I'm not sure, it seems like pure spam. Anyone else want to weigh in? Yes, I do want to weigh in. The whole 'PLAK' thing is basically just spam. Look at that Luther fellow. Why on earth would you make that 12 different posts when you could get it all in one? That's not even individual quoting, which is more forgivable as laziness because there's an easy quote button. Taking up half a page when you could have fit it in 1/20th is spam. Gallente Guide one day i may leave the basement but that day is not today

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9002	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:23:00 - [33761] - Quote Spademan wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Spademan Do you want me to add you to this? If you wish, though I won't be able to provide you with info beyond 30-ish million sp and LR 2 Birthdate: 2013.01.24 You've been around even longer than Nestil, but I'm afraid your case is less compelling than his. You've only collected 815k warpoints! What have you been doing all this time, Spade!? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Ernest McRooney Nos Nothi 23	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:43:00 - [33762] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Spademan wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Spademan Do you want me to add you to this? If you wish, though I won't be able to provide you with info beyond 30-ish million sp and LR 2 Birthdate: 2013.01.24 You've been around even longer than Nestil, but I'm afraid your case is less compelling than his. You've only collected 815k warpoints! What have you been doing all this time, Spade!? :: Dons a Stingy Brim Tinfoil Hat :: Spade is an ALT! An ALT I tell you! :: Puts away the Tinfoil Hat ::
Spademan 6317	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:44:00 - [33763] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Birthdate: 2013.01.24 You've been around even longer than Nestil, but I'm afraid your case is less compelling than his. You've only collected 815k warpoints! What have you been doing all this time, Spade!? Well, I've always been a rather casual player. Only ever capped twice, both during events. My most played streak was uprising 1.0 to some time afterwards, and that probably peaked at like 15 games a week. Afterwards I probably went back to an average of 7-ish games a week. Then there was my long 1.7 break until the update came. Nowadays it's probably 5 games a week. Edit: I'd also think 800'000 warpoints would be plenty to be considered loyal enough to be able to send a fecking item and receive some isk. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9566	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:47:00 - [33764] - Quote noob cavman wrote: After playing some dust today with its current match making being highly obnoxious I've decided.Im going back to warframe to talk with moody about food and how terrible American coke a cola is. That and dominoes is not terrible in the uk(blew his mind) I just cant deal with matches like this that are even more lopsided than they were before. Stomps I can deal with but empty halfassed matches that feel like 20/30 minute's of wasted time. Nahhh so shall only pop on occasionally from now on I thinks. How is Warframe? I have heard lots of back and forth on it, with some of it good, and some of it bad. What are your observations? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10915	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:51:00 - [33765] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Spademan wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: There's a new PLAKKER in the town down the road... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2733405#post2733405 For the record, that'd be a duodecapost. But I'm not sure, it seems like pure spam. Anyone else want to weigh in? Yes, I do want to weigh in. The whole 'PLAK' thing is basically just spam. Look at that Luther fellow. Why on earth would you make that 12 different posts when you could get it all in one? That's not even individual quoting, which is more forgivable as laziness because there's an easy quote button. Taking up half a page when you could have fit it in 1/20th is spam. My name has been sullied Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2282	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:05:00 - [33766] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: noob cavman wrote: After playing some dust today with its current match making being highly obnoxious I've decided.Im going back to warframe to talk with moody about food and how terrible American coke a cola is. That and dominoes is not terrible in the uk(blew his mind) I just cant deal with matches like this that are even more lopsided than they were before. Stomps I can deal with but empty halfassed matches that feel like 20/30 minute's of wasted time. Nahhh so shall only pop on occasionally from now on I thinks. How is Warframe? I have heard lots of back and forth on it, with some of it good, and some of it bad. What are your observations? Bout 200 hours in atm Space ninja which is cool. Rng is not cruel but you need to know what your looking for. All frames are viable. You don't need to put money in but by god it helps with the starting grind curve. After rank 4 ish its starts to get really interesting. Net builds are a thing but only at the very tip of endgame stuff. Play with people you know cause pubs make you wish death on all. Solo is fun and a healthy challenge. Got an eye for economics then you can make good plat on trading. Combat is nice and fluid. Some gamemodes are relatively boring whilst others are fun as hell. lots of different pew pews and stabbers. Good update flow from de even if ps4 is a month behind.( we get to streamline our Tactics for stuff thanks to it) Nice variety of enemies Good tile sets Alot of content there be tentacles.... Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle. I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1464	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:10:00 - [33767] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I think that I'm thoroughly sick of matchmaking and everything related to it. Maybe in the 31940832th iteration of matchmaking it'll be decent. Maybe then. I wish they just went back to the last version. I almost can't stand to play currently. I hate the numerically unbalanced matches. I don't want to play with only 12 guys on each side +/-4 for one side. All i want is 16vs16 so the maps are full and the battles aren't boring. Domination is HORRIBLE currently, and I can't for the life of me get another map except that damn train one 90% of the time. In summary, I agree :) Based on my observations and testing that mach disparity is much more about player behavior than match making. Within the sample of games I played ~60 for the testing only 2 had a team disparity of greater than +/-2 before players began to leave match. Within that same sample there were 4 matches that had less than 14 on each side. Now this weekend has been an exception to all of that, the internal errors and server issues have rendered the game nearly unplayable at times and the matches lopsided and largely empty. All of that is a mess to be sure, but isn't due to the MM logic. I agree with you on Dom however, it is a mess even without the server errors going on. It's a strange twist but the nature of Dom has made it so that the more evenly balanced the teams the more lopsided the majority of the match tends to be. Granted part of that is just players leaving, but part of that is simply how Dom is built with a single static point as the center of the action. Hopefully the new acquisition mode will not fall prey to these shortcomings. In my experience battles start out unbalanced by more then 2 players all the time (not to count the number of times you get put into battles mid-way through). If players leave battle then the MM needs to fill them up quickly at the beginning. I honestly can't remember the last pub i deployed to with 16vs16 at the start, that to me is a HUGE issue. In my mind they need to first fix payouts/SP for when you are deployed mid battle (happens a ton, and i'd fight no problem if i knew i'd get paid what i should instead of shafted regardless of my contribution). In my mind if you are deployed mid way through a battle it should determine your WP for that % of the battle and award SP as if you had earned that same amount of WP/sec say for the entire battle. Then just give more ISK perhaps in a similar way. Imagine if you get deployed mid battle and you were like sweet, i'll go work my ass off and get paid a bunch. Incentivize players to stay and work hard. The other key issue that needs fixing ASAP is map rotation. That ******* train map needs to DIE! They need to give equal chance for all maps instead of the same map time and again. This causes players to leave when they keep getting a map they hate. Overlord of Broman
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1464	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:17:00 - [33768] - Quote Quick point to the above post. I think one issue with battles is after they start and they're not full CCP is still trying to balance new players coming in. IMO they should just get bodies in at that point and not worry so much about the skill of the people being filled in. The reason i think this is me and a squad buddy were added to a battle about 45seconds after the start and we got put on the 13 man team (making it 15) vs the 9 man team (I think, might have been 10 or 11). That to me made no sense, we should have been put on the other side. Overlord of Broman
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9003	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:21:00 - [33769] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: In my mind they need to first fix payouts/SP for when you are deployed mid battle (happens a ton, and i'd fight no problem if i knew i'd get paid what i should instead of shafted regardless of my contribution). In my mind if you are deployed mid way through a battle it should determine your WP for that % of the battle and award SP as if you had earned that same amount of WP/sec say for the entire battle. Then just give more ISK perhaps in a similar way. Imagine if you get deployed mid battle and you were like sweet, i'll go work my ass off and get paid a bunch. Incentivize players to stay and work hard. Yes, please! Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23296	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:28:00 - [33770] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: My name has been sullied You don't need to worry about that. Gallente Guide one day i may leave the basement but that day is not today

Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1464	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:35:00 - [33771] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Ares 514 wrote: In my mind they need to first fix payouts/SP for when you are deployed mid battle (happens a ton, and i'd fight no problem if i knew i'd get paid what i should instead of shafted regardless of my contribution). In my mind if you are deployed mid way through a battle it should determine your WP for that % of the battle and award SP as if you had earned that same amount of WP/sec say for the entire battle. Then just give more ISK perhaps in a similar way. Imagine if you get deployed mid battle and you were like sweet, i'll go work my ass off and get paid a bunch. Incentivize players to stay and work hard. Yes, please! A better way of wording that is that SP/ISK should be calculated by WP/sec instead of WP. This way it wouldn't matter when you joined a battle, I.e start, mid way through or end. Overlord of Broman
Quil Evrything Nos Nothi 2020	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:45:00 - [33772] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: A better way of wording that is that SP/ISK should be calculated by WP/sec instead of WP. This way it wouldn't matter when you joined a battle, I.e start, mid way through or end. Waitwhut? i would think having it more strongly go DIRECTLY with WP, rather than the current (WP + time spent in battle) should be much better. To put it another way: someone who spends 5 minutes in a battle, but does 3 hacks, 5 kills, and 2 assists, should get more SP than someone who sat in the warbarge for the entire 15 minutes of the battle. Yeah okay maybe your WP/sec also has that effect... but I also think that someone who just comes in and gets lucky in the last 5 minutes, thus having a skewed WP/sec, should NOT get some miraculously high SP payout either. I think there should be linear WP payouts combined with some baseline participation bonus. but the WP=> SP payout should be higher than it currently is.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9566	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:47:00 - [33773] - Quote noob cavman wrote: One Eyed King wrote: noob cavman wrote: After playing some dust today with its current match making being highly obnoxious I've decided.Im going back to warframe to talk with moody about food and how terrible American coke a cola is. That and dominoes is not terrible in the uk(blew his mind) I just cant deal with matches like this that are even more lopsided than they were before. Stomps I can deal with but empty halfassed matches that feel like 20/30 minute's of wasted time. Nahhh so shall only pop on occasionally from now on I thinks. How is Warframe? I have heard lots of back and forth on it, with some of it good, and some of it bad. What are your observations? Stuffs Is NPE a problem? Should I not consider it if my schedule is erratic and I will be playing pubs solo? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9567	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:53:00 - [33774] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Ares 514 wrote: A better way of wording that is that SP/ISK should be calculated by WP/sec instead of WP. This way it wouldn't matter when you joined a battle, I.e start, mid way through or end. Waitwhut? i would think having it more strongly go DIRECTLY with WP, rather than the current (WP + time spent in battle) should be much better. To put it another way: someone who spends 5 minutes in a battle, but does 3 hacks, 5 kills, and 2 assists, should get more SP than someone who sat in the warbarge for the entire 15 minutes of the battle. Yeah okay maybe your WP/sec also has that effect... but I also think that someone who just comes in and gets lucky in the last 5 minutes, thus having a skewed WP/sec, should NOT get some miraculously high SP payout either. I think there should be linear WP payouts combined with some baseline participation bonus. but the WP=> SP payout should be higher than it currently is. Agreed. And they should also have some minimum you get if you spawn in at the end of a match. Just to soften the blow. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2283	Posted - 2015.04.20 21:04:00 - [33775] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: noob cavman wrote: One Eyed King wrote: noob cavman wrote: After playing some dust today with its current match making being highly obnoxious I've decided.Im going back to warframe to talk with moody about food and how terrible American coke a cola is. That and dominoes is not terrible in the uk(blew his mind) I just cant deal with matches like this that are even more lopsided than they were before. Stomps I can deal with but empty halfassed matches that feel like 20/30 minute's of wasted time. Nahhh so shall only pop on occasionally from now on I thinks. How is Warframe? I have heard lots of back and forth on it, with some of it good, and some of it bad. What are your observations? Stuffs Is NPE a problem? Should I not consider it if my schedule is erratic and I will be playing pubs solo? Npe is actually pretty great. Its the middle ish area where it can be grindy. The galaxy map is pretty decent playing with randoms. All I can say is do some research on which frame,wepons and mods will fit your playstyle. Maybe put a lil money in to buy unranked catds from the market that are commonly used (say heavy caliber/serration for example) the game can seem very relatively samey at the beginning. Get your most commonly used cards, max out a weapon or two and max a frame. After that it becomes alot easier to get new wrapons and mods. I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23296	Posted - 2015.04.20 21:27:00 - [33776] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Npe is actually pretty great. Gallente Guide one day i may leave the basement but that day is not today
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2285	Posted - 2015.04.20 22:02:00 - [33777] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: noob cavman wrote: Npe is actually pretty great. Well it is now. I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9568	Posted - 2015.04.20 22:16:00 - [33778] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: noob cavman wrote: Npe is actually pretty great. Well it is now. Does he know we are talking about a different game? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1465	Posted - 2015.04.20 22:59:00 - [33779] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Ares 514 wrote: A better way of wording that is that SP/ISK should be calculated by WP/sec instead of WP. This way it wouldn't matter when you joined a battle, I.e start, mid way through or end. Waitwhut? i would think having it more strongly go DIRECTLY with WP, rather than the current (WP + time spent in battle) should be much better. To put it another way: someone who spends 5 minutes in a battle, but does 3 hacks, 5 kills, and 2 assists, should get more SP than someone who sat in the warbarge for the entire 15 minutes of the battle. Yeah okay maybe your WP/sec also has that effect... but I also think that someone who just comes in and gets lucky in the last 5 minutes, thus having a skewed WP/sec, should NOT get some miraculously high SP payout either. I think there should be linear WP payouts combined with some baseline participation bonus. but the WP=> SP payout should be higher than it currently is. Agreed. And they should also have some minimum you get if you spawn in at the end of a match. Just to soften the blow. I actually disagree. If you get screwed over waiting 2+ minutes and the loadscreen to get in to a half done battle (usually on the worse side) and then perform as well as everyone else for that time your in why not reward you as if you fought the whole match? It would be a great reward for getting screwed over on not getting a full game and make players try there hardest when put into battles mid way through since they would get better pay out for each min spent. If this was done it would change everyone's attitude towards being deployed to games already underway and no one would leave when deployed to them making a better experience for everyone. Overlord of Broman
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9571	Posted - 2015.04.20 23:03:00 - [33780] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Ares 514 wrote: A better way of wording that is that SP/ISK should be calculated by WP/sec instead of WP. This way it wouldn't matter when you joined a battle, I.e start, mid way through or end. Waitwhut? i would think having it more strongly go DIRECTLY with WP, rather than the current (WP + time spent in battle) should be much better. To put it another way: someone who spends 5 minutes in a battle, but does 3 hacks, 5 kills, and 2 assists, should get more SP than someone who sat in the warbarge for the entire 15 minutes of the battle. Yeah okay maybe your WP/sec also has that effect... but I also think that someone who just comes in and gets lucky in the last 5 minutes, thus having a skewed WP/sec, should NOT get some miraculously high SP payout either. I think there should be linear WP payouts combined with some baseline participation bonus. but the WP=> SP payout should be higher than it currently is. Agreed. And they should also have some minimum you get if you spawn in at the end of a match. Just to soften the blow. I actually disagree. If you get screwed over waiting 2+ minutes and the loadscreen to get in to a half done battle (usually on the worse side) and then perform as well as everyone else for that time your in why not reward you as if you fought the whole match? It would be a great reward for getting screwed over on not getting a full game and make players try there hardest when put into battles mid way through since they would get better pay out for each min spent. If this was done it would change everyone's attitude towards being deployed to games already underway and no one would leave when deployed to them making a better experience for everyone. I should clarify. I meant a ISK minimum for being deployed at the end of a game, not a WP minimum. So if you wait those 2 minutes, spawn, and then the game ends, you at least get some ISK for your trouble. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.



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