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sir RAVEN WING
Corrosive Synergy
3200
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Posted - 2015.03.16 19:54:00 -
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Cost Effective Suits:
Gallente: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/12540
Caldari:
Amarr:
Minmatar:
My PLC is named 'God's Wrath'
Why?
It strikes you from the Heavens and sends you to Hell.
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
1936
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Posted - 2015.03.16 19:55:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote: That is strange... There aren't any scanners a Gal Logi could use to get 16 dB is there? I would imagine it going from 20 to 15. Quil, were you also using an Adv or Pro cloak?
no cloak involved in either comparison.
So, I imagine the scanner was 15db.
it's.. rather sad... that 3xmilitia damp can beat 2xcomplex damp somehow.
I guess gallente scout gets extra hidey bonus, if I recall correctly.
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sir RAVEN WING
Corrosive Synergy
3200
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Posted - 2015.03.16 20:04:00 -
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Forced Death wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:These days, I'm running Assault 90% of the time, and Scout 10%. I haven't played a Skirm in weeks...  It's really easy to 'dominate' in Dom: I've got a weekly w/l over 22.00... It's so shiny; I'm afraid of damaging it by running Skirm.  How can I get back to my roots? I wanna be 'Dreis the knifer', not 'Dreis the tryhard'... Quick, before the tryhard in me makes me change my mind!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! You only have a w/l of 22.00 because you protostomp in Doms against blues in militia 
Forced, that means nothing.
We were against a almost full proto Min assault team (Dreis was in there until halftime.) We had mainly STD with a few ADV and we redlined their team in about 5 minutes.
Let us attempt to help Dries return to his NKs instead of shaming him.
My PLC is named 'God's Wrath'
Why?
It strikes you from the Heavens and sends you to Hell.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
22802
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Posted - 2015.03.16 20:09:00 -
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Forced Death wrote:xavier zor wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:These days, I'm running Assault 90% of the time, and Scout 10%. I haven't played a Skirm in weeks... It's really easy to 'dominate' in Dom: I've got a weekly w/l over 22.00... It's so shiny; I'm afraid of damaging it by running Skirm. How can I get back to my roots? I wanna be 'Dreis the knifer', not 'Dreis the tryhard'... Quick, before the tryhard in me makes me change my mind!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! The Scr is fine anyway where it is, it is meant to be the best 1v1 weapon, hence the overheat...the assault Scr on the other hand is doing to much damage But AR is assault rifle which is supposed to be king of 1v1??
You must be joking.
In terms of 1v1, the SCR is far superior.
Gallente Guide
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1284
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Posted - 2015.03.16 20:21:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
Somebody should make a guide on this and update it after every major ewar change ( '-')
MN Scout Scan Profile Progression
32 dB - max skilled, no damps
27 dB - max skilled, basic damp <----- Beats 28dB Scans
23 dB - max skilled, basic damp + basic damp
22 dB - max skilled, basic damp + enhanced damp
21 dB - max skilled, basic damp + complex damp
21 dB - max skilled, enhanced damp + enhanced damp
20 dB - max skilled, enhanced damp + complex damp <----- Beats 21dB Scans
18 dB - max skilled, complex damp + complex damp
17 dB - max skilled, complex damp + complex damp + basic damp
16 dB - max skilled, complex damp + complex damp + enhanced damp
16 dB - max skilled, complex damp + complex damp + complex damp
15 dB - max skilled, complex damp + complex damp + complex damp + advanced cloak:on
14 dB - max skilled, complex damp + complex damp + complex damp + prototype cloak:on <---- Beats 15 dB Scans
Something wrong with that table. Live testing experience: Some yahoos kept whipping out proto scanners in freakin ambush, for the 5m event. Was pissing me off in my (c scout rank 5) caldari scout with 2xcomplex damps. profile @16dB according to fitting screen. Nothing more I could do since even proto gets only two lows So I fell back to my BPO galente valor scout (g.scout rank 1?). Put 3xBPO militia damps in it (AHAHAHAHAHA) fitting screen said it was @15dB profile. dodged the scans. So, now having 15dB on stat screen, lets you dodge 15Db scans, apparently. Kinda pisses me off when my zero-cost all-BPO suit is more stealthy than my 100K all-proto suit  Was you useing a cloak?
Gal logi lvl 4 with focused scans 16db (thats what I have). lvl 5 gal logi focused scans 15db.
noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Fac¦Üion
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Forced Death
Corrosive Synergy
156
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Posted - 2015.03.16 20:24:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Forced Death wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:These days, I'm running Assault 90% of the time, and Scout 10%. I haven't played a Skirm in weeks... It's really easy to 'dominate' in Dom: I've got a weekly w/l over 22.00... It's so shiny; I'm afraid of damaging it by running Skirm. How can I get back to my roots? I wanna be 'Dreis the knifer', not 'Dreis the tryhard'... Quick, before the tryhard in me makes me change my mind!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! You only have a w/l of 22.00 because you protostomp in Doms against blues in militia Forced, that means nothing. We were against a almost full proto Min assault team (Dreis was in there until halftime.) We had mainly STD with a few ADV and we redlined their team in about 5 minutes. Let us attempt to help Dries return to his NKs instead of shaming him.
lol im just saying everytime ive played with Dreis he runs proto
And Arkena, I know that the AR isn't the king of 1v1. But as it is the Assault Rifle, shouldn't it be the king of 1v1?
TritusX
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
667
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Posted - 2015.03.16 21:20:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
[...]Are you having any issues yet with med-frames picking you up on passives and launching away when you get into range?
It's happened to me only twice so far, and both times it happened after I already "missed" once. Therefore I would say- no it's not causing me issues. I just have to learn not to miss !! XD
I plan on recording some instances tonight and hope to share.
OH YEA, I forgot to mention,
Since the removal of the directional arrow, I've been using the quantum scanner on any fit I can. However, since you suggested the proxy to someone several weeks ago, I finally decided to skill into it and use it on my now 'precision enhancement-less' suit. This is kind of a double test as I get a feel for biotics AND substituting precision for a proxy scanner.
I like the Quantum for the 15 second light-up time, works well when going into submarine mode right before entering ennemy territory. The proxy is only 5 seconds shorter, and has more precision. Not as much as I do with 2 Precision Enhancers, but that's meaningless while cloaked. I don't really care about the different angles and ranges, it's fine either way.
Know what cannot be known.
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Ghost Kaisar
Negative-Feedback
10651
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Posted - 2015.03.16 21:23:00 -
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Forced Death wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:These days, I'm running Assault 90% of the time, and Scout 10%. I haven't played a Skirm in weeks... It's really easy to 'dominate' in Dom: I've got a weekly w/l over 22.00... It's so shiny; I'm afraid of damaging it by running Skirm. How can I get back to my roots? I wanna be 'Dreis the knifer', not 'Dreis the tryhard'... Quick, before the tryhard in me makes me change my mind!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! You only have a w/l of 22.00 because you protostomp in Doms against blues in militia
Or maybe its because I know how to win matches?
http://imgur.com/wnneq7b <--- Teams
http://imgur.com/iN7aBMY <--- Tiger Scout FTW
Forgive the Potato quality
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Forced Death
Corrosive Synergy
156
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Posted - 2015.03.16 21:52:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Forced Death wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:These days, I'm running Assault 90% of the time, and Scout 10%. I haven't played a Skirm in weeks... It's really easy to 'dominate' in Dom: I've got a weekly w/l over 22.00... It's so shiny; I'm afraid of damaging it by running Skirm. How can I get back to my roots? I wanna be 'Dreis the knifer', not 'Dreis the tryhard'... Quick, before the tryhard in me makes me change my mind!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! You only have a w/l of 22.00 because you protostomp in Doms against blues in militia Or maybe its because I know how to win matches? http://imgur.com/wnneq7b <--- Teams http://imgur.com/iN7aBMY <--- Tiger Scout FTW Forgive the Potato quality
Ok, great. But I've seen Dreis (or are you him in disguise why are you talking to me when I was talking to Dreis) run proto everytime I play with him. In Doms, he is always running a Proto Min Ass with a Boundless CR or Six Kin ACR. And when he ran scouts, he ran a Scout mk.0
TritusX
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
2644
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:09:00 -
[31420] - Quote
I really need to get a tiger scout. But FW is the literal worst.
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
1939
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:11:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:One Eyed King wrote:That is strange... There aren't any scanners a Gal Logi could use to get 16 dB is there? I would imagine it going from 20 to 15. Quil, were you also using an Adv or Pro cloak? no cloak involved in either comparison. So, I imagine the scanner was 15db. it's.. rather sad... that 3xmilitia damp can beat 2xcomplex damp somehow. I guess gallente scout gets extra hidey bonus, if I recall correctly.
Hmm.. slight correction: i cant be sure I actually used 3xBPO damps. I might have managed to stuff in 3xcomplex.
That would make more sense since i would have less damp bonus on the suit itself, due to lower gallente scout skill.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8591
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:14:00 -
[31422] - Quote
Quil Evrything wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:One Eyed King wrote:That is strange... There aren't any scanners a Gal Logi could use to get 16 dB is there? I would imagine it going from 20 to 15. Quil, were you also using an Adv or Pro cloak? no cloak involved in either comparison. So, I imagine the scanner was 15db. it's.. rather sad... that 3xmilitia damp can beat 2xcomplex damp somehow. I guess gallente scout gets extra hidey bonus, if I recall correctly. Hmm.. slight correction: i cant be sure I actually used 3xBPO damps. I might have managed to stuff in 3xcomplex. That would make more sense since i would have less damp bonus on the suit itself, due to lower gallente scout skill.
Yeah, I think it only really takes Gal level 3 to get below 15 dB with 3 Complex Damps, but I don't know for sure.
Even so, you would think your fittings screen would reflect that.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1285
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:20:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:One Eyed King wrote:That is strange... There aren't any scanners a Gal Logi could use to get 16 dB is there? I would imagine it going from 20 to 15. Quil, were you also using an Adv or Pro cloak? no cloak involved in either comparison. So, I imagine the scanner was 15db. it's.. rather sad... that 3xmilitia damp can beat 2xcomplex damp somehow. I guess gallente scout gets extra hidey bonus, if I recall correctly. Hmm.. slight correction: i cant be sure I actually used 3xBPO damps. I might have managed to stuff in 3xcomplex. That would make more sense since i would have less damp bonus on the suit itself, due to lower gallente scout skill. Yeah, I think it only really takes Gal level 3 to get below 15 dB with 3 Complex Damps, but I don't know for sure. Even so, you would think your fittings screen would reflect that.
3x bpo dampeners is 18db with lvl 5 gal scout so I would say he had complex dampeners.
noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Fac¦Üion
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7769
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:27:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
[Table]
Something wrong with that table.
Certainly possible, but it is also possible that you were dancing with a lower-level GalLogi.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
217
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:29:00 -
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Instead of nerfing scanners (scanners are fine), lets change the gallogi bonus and/or buff dampeners.
BRB, looking for socks
Asslut Rifles OP, anal now
I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7770
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:30:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:[ [A-EU] 6736 - quil evrything (0 / 0 / 0)  erm.. I'm not EU, I'm AMerican servers.
This is meant to indicate your actual geographic region, rather than your battleserver. This is intended to serve logistical purposes down the road; meanwhile, we have a friendly stat rivalry going on between the regions (or at least, we did :P).
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8594
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:31:00 -
[31427] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
[Table]
Something wrong with that table. Certainly possible, but it is also possible that you were dancing with a lower-level GalLogi.
That is a good point too, much the same way a lower level Gal Scout will have different scan profile.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
218
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:33:00 -
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Even better thought for fixing Gal Logi perma scan: only one scanner can bet equipped at a time.
Makes sense too: we can only have one cloak, scanner is the counter to a cloak, therefore there should only be one scanner.
BRB, looking for socks
Asslut Rifles OP, anal now
I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
218
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:37:00 -
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Also, does anyone find it funny that when a scout has squad sharing perma scan out to 60 meters by sacrificing his entire fit, and having 0 combat viability, its "OP and needs to be nerfed into the ground", but when a Logi does it while stacking plates and shields out to 200 meters and shares with the entire team, "its underpowered, skillful, and needed to defend against the OP scouts"?
Even now, people are complaining about scout passives, which are gimmicky to say the best of them.
BRB, looking for socks
Asslut Rifles OP, anal now
I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
218
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:37:00 -
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\end rant about GD sheep
BRB, looking for socks
Asslut Rifles OP, anal now
I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8594
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:39:00 -
[31431] - Quote
Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Also, does anyone find it funny that when a scout has squad sharing perma scan out to 60 meters by sacrificing his entire fit, and having 0 combat viability, its "OP and needs to be nerfed into the ground", but when a Logi does it while stacking plates and shields out to 200 meters and shares with the entire team, "its underpowered, skillful, and needed to defend against the OP scouts"?
Even now, people are complaining about scout passives, which are gimmicky to say the best of them.
As far as many people are concerned, its ok for any other suit to have a mechanic, but its broken if scouts have them.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7772
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:40:00 -
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Forced Death wrote:]
... run proto everytime
There's nothing wrong with running proto gear or having a high W/L ratio. The problem is with matchmaking; Dreis is responsible for the stomp-or-be-stomped meta.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
1285
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:42:00 -
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Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Also, does anyone find it funny that when a scout has squad sharing perma scan out to 60 meters by sacrificing his entire fit, and having 0 combat viability, its "OP and needs to be nerfed into the ground", but when a Logi does it while stacking plates and shields out to 200 meters and shares with the entire team, "its underpowered, skillful, and needed to defend against the OP scouts"?
Even now, people are complaining about scout passives, which are gimmicky to say the best of them.
Active scanner range nerf is on the hotfix backlog.
https://trello.com/b/bfGqdj7S/ccp-rattati-s-big-board-of-things
Not to mention killing my cloaked gal logi fit with removing the logi cloak fitting bonus.
noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Fac¦Üion
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
1943
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:43:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
[Table]
Something wrong with that table. Certainly possible, but it is also possible that you were dancing with a lower-level GalLogi.
It was a full protostomp squad. maybe 2.
So no, I dont think so.
Although it's more likely I misreported the damps I was using.
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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
219
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:43:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Forced Death wrote:]
... run proto everytime There's nothing wrong with running proto gear or having a high W/L ratio. The problem is with matchmaking, and Dreis is not to blame for the stomp-or-be-stomped meta.
^^The number one thing I hate about Dust.
You can't just have a calm, chill match.
It has to be stomp them at the beginning or your blues will go into the redline and not come out again, and you'll end up pointlessly pushing as a squad vs. as a team. Or, when you end up stomping, the entire red team decides its time to be little bitches and set up on high ground for tactical tactical ness and camp with any Caldari or Amarr weaponry.
BRB, looking for socks
Asslut Rifles OP, anal now
I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7772
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:43:00 -
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Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Also, does anyone find it funny that when a scout has squad sharing perma scan out to 60 meters by sacrificing his entire fit, and having 0 combat viability, its "OP and needs to be nerfed into the ground", but when a Logi does it while stacking plates and shields out to 200 meters and shares with the entire team, "its underpowered, skillful, and needed to defend against the OP scouts"?
Absolutely it is. This is a personal hot-button issue. You should ask your CEO about it; I believe was this his intended design and expressed goal.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
219
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:45:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Also, does anyone find it funny that when a scout has squad sharing perma scan out to 60 meters by sacrificing his entire fit, and having 0 combat viability, its "OP and needs to be nerfed into the ground", but when a Logi does it while stacking plates and shields out to 200 meters and shares with the entire team, "its underpowered, skillful, and needed to defend against the OP scouts"?
Even now, people are complaining about scout passives, which are gimmicky to say the best of them.
Active scanner range nerf is on the hotfix backlog. https://trello.com/b/bfGqdj7S/ccp-rattati-s-big-board-of-thingsNot to mention killing my cloaked gal logi fit with removing the logi cloak fitting bonus.
Range nerf wont do it.
Its imperative for any good squad or PC team to have a Gal logi for perma scan because of the HUGE advantage it gives you, not to mention the combat viability it has.
The last time there was a suit like that (Cal Scout), it was nerfed into the ground.
BRB, looking for socks
Asslut Rifles OP, anal now
I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
219
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:46:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Also, does anyone find it funny that when a scout has squad sharing perma scan out to 60 meters by sacrificing his entire fit, and having 0 combat viability, its "OP and needs to be nerfed into the ground", but when a Logi does it while stacking plates and shields out to 200 meters and shares with the entire team, "its underpowered, skillful, and needed to defend against the OP scouts"?
Absolutely it is. You should ask your CEO about it; I believe this was his intended design and expressed goal.
Zat is no longer the CEO actually...the princess has stepped down to play Destiny.
Himiko Kuoronaga is the new CEO of FA.
But yes, for all the good that Zatara tried to do, he made an awful lot of stupid decisions.
BRB, looking for socks
Asslut Rifles OP, anal now
I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
2646
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:51:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Forced Death wrote:]
... run proto everytime There's nothing wrong with running proto gear or having a high W/L ratio. The problem is with matchmaking; Dreis is responsible for the stomp-or-be-stomped meta.
Sure it's not his fault, but that also doesn't mean he's not a piece of sh*t garbage for contributing to it.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
7772
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:52:00 -
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Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Also, does anyone find it funny that when a scout has squad sharing perma scan out to 60 meters by sacrificing his entire fit, and having 0 combat viability, its "OP and needs to be nerfed into the ground", but when a Logi does it while stacking plates and shields out to 200 meters and shares with the entire team, "its underpowered, skillful, and needed to defend against the OP scouts"?
Absolutely it is. You should ask your CEO about it; I believe this was his intended design and expressed goal. Zat is no longer the CEO actually....
The Passive Recon ---> Active Recon switch makes sense from an FC's point-of-view.
1+ units per squad providing squad-wide recon.
1-2 units total providing team-wide recon.
The new system is arguably more reliable and definitely more efficient. It was also an easy sell at the time thanks to Scout overperformance, though I still don't think that EWAR or scans had anything to do with Scouts being OP.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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