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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Pseudogenesis wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

If you aren't dampening, you're better off in a Min Assault. Keep the jumps, fit better gear, run just as fast, and triple your HP. You'll eventually get tired of being one-shot by mass drivers.

Well if it hasn't happened yet then I doubt it ever will Bear

Point taken. Pirate

On a serious note, the more I play Echo the more I'm anticipating a steep decline in Scout performance this build.

Myofibs are too fun not to fit, so Scouts will keep fitting 'em. And we'll keep getting our arses handed to us, at a greater frequency than before thanks to a lack of shield buffer. Meanwhile, our speedy alpha takedowns -- one of the few things keeping class efficiency in the black -- just got alot less reliable and alot more protracted.

Don't get me wrong; I'm having a blast. Echo's jumps are the most fun I've had since Beta. But I see myself running more Assault than Scout. Here's the fit I'm running at the moment: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1192/11938

Unfortunately, I think you are very correct in your assessment. As much as I don't want to admit it.

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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7576	Posted - 2015.03.13 16:47:00 - [31141] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Anybody test the Packed RE since Echo? I have not But i hope it has been fixed It was on Rattati's Big Board as postponed. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6980	Posted - 2015.03.13 16:49:00 - [31142] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Anybody test the Packed RE since Echo? I have not But i hope it has been fixed It was on Rattati's Big Board as postponed. Llast 326 wrote: Have not tried the ASCR with the buffGÇª Expect it to be insane It's pretty good, but I wouldn't jump straight to insane. Or even broken. Very surprised that 15% didn't break it. @%#$$# MOAR Ladders SpadeGÇª Remember your Warbarge
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22712	Posted - 2015.03.13 16:52:00 - [31143] - Quote Duncan, if you still require a Galscout BPO when trading comes out I will give you a Dragonfly. Gallente Guide
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 622	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:13:00 - [31144] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: If you aren't dampening, you're better off in a Min Assault. Keep the jumps, fit better gear, run just as fast, and triple your HP. You'll eventually get tired of being one-shot by mass drivers. Well if it hasn't happened yet then I doubt it ever will Point taken. On a serious note, the more I play Echo the more I'm anticipating a steep decline in Scout performance this build. Myofibs are too fun not to fit, so Scouts will keep fitting 'em. And we'll keep getting our arses handed to us, at a greater frequency than before thanks to a lack of shield buffer. Meanwhile, our speedy alpha takedowns -- one of the few things keeping class efficiency in the black -- just got alot less reliable and alot more protracted. Don't get me wrong; I'm having a blast. Echo's jumps are the most fun I've had since Beta. But I see myself running more Assault than Scout. Here's the fit I'm running at the moment: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1192/11938 Unfortunately, I think you are very correct in your assessment. As much as I don't want to admit it. Know what cannot be known.
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 1625	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:16:00 - [31145] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: I picked up the Amarr Scout BPO with the 20 decryptor keys. I also have a Quafe Assault Rifle BPO. This is basically a free fit. However: is the Amarr Scout BPO any good without Amarr scout skills? This seems like a pretty nice pick up...can run matches for free after all. [edit] oh this thing also seems to have the readout of an Amarr Logi - weird. I think it might actually be an Amarr Logi. I recall seeing on the forums people complaining about an Amarr Logi fit being called a scout, but really it was a Logi. There was much confusion at first as to whether it was intended to be a scout. Found the thread here. hmm i assumed it was actually a scout coz two equipment slots. but if thats what a STD logi has then...will check that thread out and see what base hp i have in game. thanks!
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 527	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:31:00 - [31146] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Duncan, if you still require a Galscout BPO when trading comes out I will give you a Dragonfly. I'll trade you a Dren Sent Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment, Free BPOs!
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 1634	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:34:00 - [31147] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Duncan, if you still require a Galscout BPO when trading comes out I will give you a Dragonfly. Most kind of you sir! I dont see the merc pack on the market but to be honest i will prolly be ok with the amarr scoutogi BPO. just need an isk making fit really.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7599	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:36:00 - [31148] - Quote Ironyimation Inception wrote: I have the SCR and Bolt Pistol equipped to complement one another ... Yeah, probably going to favor the Bolt over the Flaylock. Still feels more reliable. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 527	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:38:00 - [31149] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Ironyimation Inception wrote: I have the SCR and Bolt Pistol equipped to complement one another ... Yeah, probably going to favor the Bolt over the Flaylock. Still feels more reliable. What?! I love the flaylock! Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment, Free BPOs!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7599	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:39:00 - [31150] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Ironyimation Inception wrote: I have the SCR and Bolt Pistol equipped to complement one another ... Yeah, probably going to favor the Bolt over the Flaylock. Still feels more reliable. What?! I love the flaylock! The flaylock is definitely the more flashy of the two. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7603	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:40:00 - [31151] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: If you aren't dampening, you're better off in a Min Assault. Keep the jumps, fit better gear, run just as fast, and triple your HP. You'll eventually get tired of being one-shot by mass drivers. Well if it hasn't happened yet then I doubt it ever will Point taken. On a serious note, the more I play Echo the more I'm anticipating a steep decline in Scout performance this build. Myofibs are too fun not to fit, so Scouts will keep fitting 'em. And we'll keep getting our arses handed to us, at a greater frequency than before thanks to a lack of shield buffer. Meanwhile, our speedy alpha takedowns -- one of the few things keeping class efficiency in the black -- just got alot less reliable and alot more protracted. Don't get me wrong; I'm having a blast. Echo's jumps are the most fun I've had since Beta. But I see myself running more Assault than Scout. Here's the fit I'm running at the moment: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1192/11938 Unfortunately, I think you are very correct in your assessment. As much as I don't want to admit it. I hope I'm wrong. Been wrong plenty of times before :-) Looks like Rattati might end up tweaking Myofib stacks a 'bit. That could help. Also, the fact that he agreed with this thread seemed promising. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 528	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:40:00 - [31152] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Ironyimation Inception wrote: I have the SCR and Bolt Pistol equipped to complement one another ... Yeah, probably going to favor the Bolt over the Flaylock. Still feels more reliable. What?! I love the flaylock! The flaylock is definitely the more flashy of the two. Core flaylocks are the ****. Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment, Free BPOs!
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 625	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:41:00 - [31153] - Quote I have a list of ideas I want to post in Features, but with the chaos of hotfix echo, and fanfest around the corner, I feel like it's just a horrible idea to suggest anything unless you want it to be buried in time :( On another note, what did you guys think of the Attrition game mode idea? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195526 Know what cannot be known.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 626	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:50:00 - [31154] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: I hope I'm wrong. Been wrong plenty of times before :-) Looks like Rattati might end up tweaking Myofib stacks a 'bit. That could help. Also, this thread looked somewhat promising: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2674903#post2674903 Agreed ! His standing on the issue shows a lot more room for growth. I would love to see more refinement in Dust514. Starting to talk about mass, frame type and jump heights gets me very hopeful for the future !! Maybe even inertia on strafing and walking eventually !! Know what cannot be known.
Spademan Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6089	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:52:00 - [31155] - Quote 2 Myofs with a shotgun is amazing. Not even just for lulz (it's good for that too) but it's genuinely good. Also I put a load of them on a Caldari Assault, equipped a Mass Driver and went on bombing runs. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7604	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:52:00 - [31156] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: I hope I'm wrong. Been wrong plenty of times before :-) Looks like Rattati might end up tweaking Myofib stacks a 'bit. That could help. Also, this thread looked somewhat promising: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2674903#post2674903 Agreed ! His standing on the issue shows a lot more room for growth. I would love to see more refinement in Dust514. Starting to talk about mass, frame type and jump heights gets me very hopeful for the future !! Maybe even inertia on strafing and walking eventually !! All of this! Absolutely! You know he has a mass/movement model already, right!? It's a few hundred pages back ... will dig ... (where's spade ...) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7604	Posted - 2015.03.13 17:55:00 - [31157] - Quote Dev Posts / CCP Rattati / "exponential" ... no results Dev Posts / CCP Rattati / "linear" ... Bingo! CCP Rattati wrote: I want each frame to have mass, each module to have mass, and speed is dynamically related to mass. base speed = 6 at zero mass Scout = 100 (could substitute mass for hp) base speed 100/X = 5.2 plate = 10 1 plate = 10% speed reduction 5 plates = 50% reduction new speed = base speed * penalty Sentinel = 500 base speed = 500/X = 4.5 plate = 10 1 plate = 2% speed reduction 5 plates = 10% reduction new speed = base speed * penalty penalty wouldn't have to be linear I already have some calculations and ideas without a true encumbrance model, I can share that https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2494731#post2494731 Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 628	Posted - 2015.03.13 18:00:00 - [31158] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Dev Posts / CCP Rattati / "exponential" ... no results Dev Posts / CCP Rattati / "linear" ... Bingo! CCP Rattati wrote: I want each frame to have mass, each module to have mass, and speed is dynamically related to mass. base speed = 6 at zero mass Scout = 100 (could substitute mass for hp) base speed 100/X = 5.2 plate = 10 1 plate = 10% speed reduction 5 plates = 50% reduction new speed = base speed * penalty Sentinel = 500 base speed = 500/X = 4.5 plate = 10 1 plate = 2% speed reduction 5 plates = 10% reduction new speed = base speed * penalty penalty wouldn't have to be linear I already have some calculations and ideas without a true encumbrance model, I can share that https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2494731#post2494731 Now here I am fantasizing of the Dust514 that had CCP Rattati at the wheel from day 1, and the god damn #%&(@#$ marketing team gagged and locked up in the closet. Know what cannot be known.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7607	Posted - 2015.03.13 18:03:00 - [31159] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Now here I am fantasizing of the Dust514 that had CCP Rattati at the wheel from day 1 ... One step at a time. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 629	Posted - 2015.03.13 18:36:00 - [31160] - Quote For those who may want to leave a bit of feedback for some mediocre ideas - Factional Warfare Improvement idea: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=196207&find=unread Jump control tuning: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=196202&find=unread Also, please feel free to disagree, not looking for favors, I just want to get people talking about this stuff. Know what cannot be known.

IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 1636	Posted - 2015.03.13 19:11:00 - [31161] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: Other wise I'll just give up and run this instead. Does somebody mind testing that one as well? If I rem when I get home I will spec this up and run it in full scrub glory with the record button pressed. What I don't have is SMG - how would you feel about an Ion Pistol? SMG is the one thing I want to spec into coz I don't seem to do well with IP any more (it used to be awesome) ugh i also only have advanced myofibs. i went out in this...did terrible. its tooooo slow lol. and im a scrub. im way too used to min scout speeds. i just couldnt deal. if i get to pro fibs i might try again but 120k isk a pop...ouch.
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7939	Posted - 2015.03.13 19:40:00 - [31162] - Quote These guys gonna get my Mass Driver nerfed....I swear I'll quit. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 531	Posted - 2015.03.13 19:52:00 - [31163] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: These guys gonna get my Mass Driver nerfed....I swear I'll quit. Who knows where the nerf hammer will swing next? Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment, Free BPOs!
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6990	Posted - 2015.03.13 20:02:00 - [31164] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: These guys gonna get my Mass Driver nerfed....I swear I'll quit. Who knows where the nerf hammer will swing next? Ask not for whom the nerf hammer swings, It swings for thee. Perchance he for whom this hammer nerfs may be so ill, as that he knows not it trolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to troll of me, and I know not that. MOAR Ladders SpadeGÇª Remember your Warbarge
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 531	Posted - 2015.03.13 20:03:00 - [31165] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: These guys gonna get my Mass Driver nerfed....I swear I'll quit. Who knows where the nerf hammer will swing next? Ask not for whom the nerf hammer swings, It swings for thee. Perchance he for whom this hammer nerfs may be so ill, as that he knows not it trolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to troll of me, and I know not that. I can't even....... Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment, Free BPOs!
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2290	Posted - 2015.03.13 20:12:00 - [31166] - Quote Super Duper Rough vid of the first few games from Hotfix Echo Plasma cannon and flaylock medium basic frame. There is no music on the vid, was in hurry get it done and go to bed last night lol. Quality is only 480p because I kinda forgot I don't have a video editor on the new pc yet. Didn't realize till I was getting ready to put stuff together haha This is not the jump around montage. I can make this suit better. No Safety Net. TLDR : XD
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7944	Posted - 2015.03.13 22:14:00 - [31167] - Quote Got my black arse railed in a lagfest against ghost. So many Amarr sentinels I had at least 10 heart attacks. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22716	Posted - 2015.03.13 22:33:00 - [31168] - Quote Jump glitching is proving rather entertaining. We go where man was not meant to go... Gallente Guide
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10585	Posted - 2015.03.14 00:11:00 - [31169] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Got my black arse railed in a lagfest against ghost. So many Amarr sentinels I had at least 10 heart attacks. Serious PC advice for DMG You had 150 clones. Why on earth would you let 4 people die 20+ times? At one point, several of them needed to sit back and think "I'm hurting my team every time I die for no reason" GG Though. Lag wasn't that bad, but I know we had a lot of heavies in city. Didn't even bother chasing kills half the time, just worked on removing links, counter-hacking points and switching to AV or MD as needed. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10585	Posted - 2015.03.14 00:13:00 - [31170] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: These guys gonna get my Mass Driver nerfed....I swear I'll quit. Who knows where the nerf hammer will swing next? Ask not for whom the nerf hammer swings, It swings for thee. Perchance he for whom this hammer nerfs may be so ill, as that he knows not it trolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to troll of me, and I know not that. FOR WHOM THE BEEELLL TOLLLLLLSSSS TIME MARCHES ON! Power Chords Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives



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