I think my answer to the first paragraph answers this, but because the remainder clones are sold the most a district can have after being taken over with a starter pack of clones is 100 clones. This may even mean that the attacking corporation decides "hey, if we win this right now we will only have like 10 clones at the district. Maybe we should lose and attack again tomorrow with a fresh 100."

Question: In a large clone-count battle, is there any disadvantage to having your MCC destroyed after you've already lost 100 clones?

For example, defender has 500 clones, fights until they lose 100 clones, then sits behind the redline, allowing the attacker to end the match, forcing them to retry tomorrow.

Anything to discourage that, and to encourage actually duking it out further? Because it sounds to me like once the 100 clone mark is hit, the defender has no incentive to fight more if they want to stall.

Why not allow any corp with no districts AND less than 100 clones be able to buy another 100 from Genelution? That way they wont have to throw those 10 clones away.

Can a Corp choose to NOT use all their clones in defense of a district?

Say you have 300 clones when the district is attacked, would it be possible to only fight with 200? And if so, would that mean a loss by cloning out would forfeit the district? And in turn from there, would the surviving unused clones be sold on, or would you be able to move them to another district?

Can you buy/sell single clones? or will they be in batches of 10-100-200?

Can you buy/sell single clones? or will they be in batches of 10-100-200?

Can you buy/sell single clones? or will they be in batches of 10-100-200?

As a defender or holder of a district can you move clones out of your district to another that you own and leave less than 100 clones in the original district?

The only way to buy clones is from Genolution and they only sell packs of 100 for 20 million ISK. Genolution also will only sell to you if you don't own a district. You can sell them from districts you own in whatever quantities you want.

Yes, you can just stop fighting. Just keep in mind that there is a minimum of 100 clones lost.

well, fantastic stuff, it's the start of what I have been waiting for since start of closed beta. It's taken me all day to read throught he thread and I have a couple of Q's

As a defender or holder of a district can you move clones out of your district to another that you own and leave less than 100 clones in the original district?

As I understand it, a corp that does not own a district buys a pack to fight for a district they want. This may take several days of clone attrition to achieve. The attacking side has it's surviving clones sold back at half price after the battle. In order to continue they will have to buy another pack to continue the attack the next day and so on until success. Is it viable to expect that small corps will be able to afford up to a potential 100 mil ISK expense to take a district?

If true this may spark some interesting tactics, such as the attacking side preventing the hacking of null cannons to prevent MCC destruction on either side while attempting to kill as many enemy clones as possible. Mind you, the defending side may exploit this by retreating and making the battle last over an hour so they could reinforce, an unlikely scenario but possible!

Defending side may also know that attacking corp is small so they remain in Mcc and sacrifice 100 clones knowing attackers cant afford to come back, assuming thay had plenty more in storage of course! lol

If you "just stop fighting" in this scenario, what happens? Does the enemy team have to kill your MCC to end the battle? Is there some form of penalty for a "surrender" decision? Or would something else happen?

Wait, does that mean you can buy multiple packs as long as you don't have a district?

I really need to stop having quotes the first thing said in my posts. The dev post thing does not show what is a quote and what is not. :(

If true this may spark some interesting tactics, such as the attacking side preventing the hacking of null cannons to prevent MCC destruction on either side while attempting to kill as many enemy clones as possible. Mind you, the defending side may exploit this by retreating and making the battle last over an hour so they could reinforce, an unlikely scenario but possible!

Also I've done the math on MCC/null cannon damage mechanics, and unless they start to tweak them it is not possible for matches to last that long, UNLESS we can have the single objective map and the mechanics work different on them (I haven't actually tested them on that map).

MCC missiles and null cannons do ~500 damage per second to somebody and MCCs have ~2.3 million HP. That means if you have JUST the enemy MCC on you and ONE Null cannon half of the time ([750 HP/s] & note: it would be splitting its damage with the other MCC) then it would take about 51 minutes for either you or your enemies MCC to go down.

So there is no way to stall and reinforce as far as I know.

So what happens when nobody captures ANY of the cannons?

Also I've done the math on MCC/null cannon damage mechanics, and unless they start to tweak them it is not possible for matches to last that long, UNLESS we can have the single objective map and the mechanics work different on them (I haven't actually tested them on that map).

MCC missiles and null cannons do ~500 damage per second to somebody and MCCs have ~2.3 million HP. That means if you have JUST the enemy MCC on you and ONE Null cannon half of the time ([750 HP/s] & note: it would be splitting its damage with the other MCC) then it would take about 51 minutes for either you or your enemies MCC to go down.

The way to make a match last the longest is completely splitting NC damage. As a result all maps have a maximum and minimum length.

5 objective maps are the shortest because they have the most 'stuff' doing damage.

But basically HP/s damage for longest times on maps is (# of Objectives)/2*500+500.

So 5 objective limit is 22 mins,
4= 26 mins
3= 31 mins
2= 38 mins
1= 51 mins

So there is no way to stall and reinforce as far as I know.

The MCC's shoot each other as well yea?

My point there was that if the attackers control the battle so well they can keep the defenders away from the NULL Cannons and not have to cap any themselves, they could drag out the battle WAY past an hour...

My point there was that if the attackers control the battle so well they can keep the defenders away from the NULL Cannons and not have to cap any themselves, they could drag out the battle WAY past an hour...

I am interested in the jump mechanics, maybe I missed where you have answered this but when moving clones, can you only move clones to attack? Meaning the only way to move them is to move them to a district that is unowned or controlled by someone else?

So is the journey outward (towards low/null sec) a very long journey and if while you moving out, say only taking one district at a time in an effort to go somewhere, not really interested in districts along the way and get destroyed on the move, you have to start all over at the base that we are current set at or what are the plans to allow us to set our HQ?

I guess if they wanted to. If they are controlling it that well though the defenders are probably going to stop fighting at the 100 lost clone count. I kind of expect some of the really good corporations baiting the defenders into fighting so they lose more than 100 clones.

I'm coming back with my projection on the first day.

LetGÇÖs do this properly.

Mother corp = A
Sister corps = B1-B2-B3-B4-B5

A need to provide at least 21.6M ISK to each sister corps nâá 108M ISK, and 3 members each to prepare defenses nâá 15 people.

Day 1 :
Every corps take 1 district on the same planet, A in the middle (just for the style ;))
Reinforcement timer set (for an EU corp as us) EVE time :
A : 20.00
B1 : 21.00
B2 : 22.00
B3 : 23.00
B4 : 0.00
B5 : 1.00
[District are locked, but they can be attack. If they are lock, you canGÇÖt build a SI. So 24h later, each district will have 140 clones (x6 = 840)
Suppose that a corp attack one of the district, we can defend it easily with the ringer system. Just need to count on our tactical and FPS skills. But on day after, just the corp that attacked has a prerogative to attack again. But they canGÇÖt buy another clone set to attack the day after. So youGÇÖll have a window to interact.
Well, just for the example, no one attack us during the first day.]

Day 2 :
A build Production Facility nâá up to 60 clones a day. Attack on B1.
B1 sell 139 clones.
B2-B3-B4-B5 no moves

Day 3 :
A has 2 districts with 100 clones on each (follow me ;)), and build a production facility on the new district.
B2-B3-B4-B5 have now 180 clones
No moves at all (A canGÇÖt empty a district)
If we are attack on others districts, we have enough clones to defend it (suppose ;)) : ringer system

Day 4 :
A attack B2 nâá 60 clones left on the first district, the new one has 160 clones.
B2 sell 219 clones (100,000 ISK each)
B3-B4-B5 no moves.

Etc, etc, etcGǪ

So for each sister corp, itGÇÖs 2 days to capture their district, keeping enough clones on each to defend them, earning ISK for A selling clones, capturing new district without fighting, members of sister corp wait 24h until join mother corp (what else ?).

So ok, this system is weak the 1st day, and maybe the third. After that, itGÇÖs just syncGǪ

Once again, donGÇÖt really know if itGÇÖs realistic (at least, it is to me), but it does need a simulationGǪ


Edit : on day 4, A become A1 and A2... A week or 10 days max to have 6 district without fighting...