This is particularly awesome, as the good outfits can be hired to flip a projection district deep behind enemy lines, allowing attacks on multiple planets. A mechanic that helps combat the inevitable blob conquest by making big empires have a small weakness internally, asides from constant frontier struggles.

Still I think strategic resources are needed. Hoping the EVE link will be a PI boosting one, or even a moon mineral yield boosting one. This would make it worth defending a particular district to the last man, instead of just taking one from some weaklings to replace the lost one.

I'm sure I read somewhere that you can take up to 300 clones for an attack. Also, you don't have to go 2 jumps for an attack. You could just attack districts on the same planet and take 100% of your clones.

so i take it these districts will be like the customs office in eve, to start off with they are owned by an NPC corp, and you have to destroy them to plant your own.

would this mean you will have to fight some NPCs to take over the planet initially ? or would you just have an empty corp battle ?

or did i completly miss read something and jumped to a conclusion?

Sadly my question from p15 was omitted so I doggedly try again

Do you plan any link between PC and FW?

Possible scenario :

Corp A with 100 members split and make 100 corp.
They put in the same alliance.
Each corp take a distric.
Then, they all going back to the 1st corp --> they own 100 district the first day.

I know that districts are own by the corp, and not the alliance. Just to be sure that you thought about this ;) !!!

Possible scenario :

Corp A with 100 members split and make 100 corp.
They put in the same alliance.
Each corp take a distric.
Then, they all going back to the 1st corp --> they own 100 district the first day.

I know that districts are own by the corp, and not the alliance. Just to be sure that you thought about this ;) !!!

You've obviously not read the bit that says unowned districts can be claimed without battle.

Apologies if this has been addressed. My main concern or question is about the income being balanced with EVE Online. I want this balanced so that we can hurry up and allow ISK transfers between the economies!

It seems that there is some sort of built in limit to how much corporations can control (which I think is great in principle!). Let us say that a corporation on average can maintain N districts per player (where very likely N < 1). Number of districts that can be controlled will be limited by at least these two factors, though they are probably the most important:
1. How many fronts the corporation can manage to fight on simultaneously
2. How many clones are produced in order to be able to attack other districts

So what is a reasonable estimate for N? Perhaps you guys have estimated this already, in which case you can plug that value in. Let's say a corporation can manage 1 district per 30 or so players. This is probably optimistic for your average corp, but pessimistic for a very active corp. That is, from 30 or so players, this means you will have enough numbers to be able to form a full defence squad each day, with reasonable quality players. This gives us an estimate of N = 1/30.

Each district produces 40 clones, or 60 with an upgrade, so let's set it optimistically to an average of 50 clones per district per day. Each clone has a sale price (if I understand correctly) of 100,000 ISK, or 0.1 mil ISK.

That gives us a profit per player in the corporation of around (N * 50 * 0.1) in millions. Other sources of income include public battles, though the income here is negligible compared to EVE Online profits. There are also the profits from winning district control battles, but I will exclude these from the estimate for a simple reason -- profits gained in district control battles are taken from other players. This does not represent increased wealth in either ISK injections OR item injections (by contrast, mining in EVE adds minerals to the game, missions add ISK and salvage). It merely shuffles around (with attrition) the wealth in a part of the game. So I think we can reasonably estimate an average income per player by excluding this. In fact, since wealth is removed from the game due to a battle, the estimate I provide will I expect be higher than the actual. That is, the estimate of wealth per player per day is a maximum for a well chosen N.

Now for some incomes:
N = 1/30 = 167k per player per day
N = 1/16 (for your more active corp) = 313k per player per day

Perhaps we need to be more optimistic and estimate a tight knit group of 16 players that's available for two or three battles a day, fighting a defensive war on a few fronts, allowing them to control upwards of 10 districts (since they don't get attacked at all districts at once). In this case:

N = 10/16 = 3.13 mil per player per day

Remember that this is a maximum estimate for the chosen N. Of course, there will be anomalous corporations that do particularly well, but as I mentioned this success will involve wealth transfer rather than creation.

So in summary, it seems to me that these profits are woefully inadequate to compete with EVE Online. Planetary Interaction in EVE Online (pessimistically) can generate perhaps 1 mil per planet in high sec for very minimal work, and let's say 4 planets for a relatively unskilled player. That's 4 mil per day for one character that has no risk involved, and takes nowhere near the skill or effort that district control will take. Have I missed something? Or misunderstood something important?

I want ISK transfer between these games, so if my analysis is right, let's please get the profits higher :)

We are currently thinking PI bonuses, POS fuel reduction, POS manufacturing bonus, and more but only for corporation and alliance members on the planet or the moons of that planet. Would love to hear more suggestions though.

that would only work if you could merge corps, instead you would need to abandon the corp freeing the territory.

If Corp A has 100 * 20,000,000 isk to be able to buy the mercs required for such a feat, fair play. I don't see this being plausible though.

PC is outside FW space.

100 members donating 20M isk. Not a big deal, I have 150M isk currently put aside for donations to PC personally, and I get it from afk farming casually.

Sweet! Now we're lookign at interesting things here.

• PI bonus: scales with nullsec PI scaling, making low truesec planets coveted. This is the best proposed bonus, as it scales with truesec.
• POS fuel reduction: if linked with the clone reserve mod, makes otherwise worthless frontier systems easier to defend on dust side while making them easier to fuel on EVE side.
• POS manufacturing bonus: absolutely lovely link to EVE. This could be related to specific reactions by planet, in order to make some planets coveted reaction POS planets. E.g. the POS manufacturing bonus for a specific reaction could be 500% so, that it makes sense to control that particular planet in order to make that particular reaction.
• Moon mineral yield increaser could be added. This would scale with the moons, becoming very valuable. The percentage should be minimal though, prehaps 5%. This mechanic would also allow for more vivid moon mineral market, as the valuable ones would be pumped with yield increasing planets first, and the next bottleneck would follow afterwards.

If Corp A has 100 * 20,000,000 isk to be able to buy the mercs required for such a feat, fair play. I don't see this being plausible though.

Possible scenario :

Corp A with 100 members split and make 100 corp.
They put in the same alliance.
Each corp take a distric.
Then, they all going back to the 1st corp --> they own 100 district the first day.

I know that districts are own by the corp, and not the alliance. Just to be sure that you thought about this ;) !!!

Edit :

Can be extend :

Corp A with 100 members.
Make 20 corps with 5 members.
Take 20 district in the same system.
Let principal corp attack all the district and make back the original corp.

Is it intended ?

I know, that is why I asked are there any PLANS to connect those two features. We have heard so much talk about FW being the first deployment link between EVE and DUST. So far that link is almost non existent and there is too little incentive for militia to work with us. Especially since targeting specific systems is not easy...

Some of us have been preparing for the FW link with DUST for a while now, engaging in diplomacy etc. Where is it?

I love the PC feature and I hope that something like that will be connected to FW at some point.

One of the things that makes this far more difficult is the EVE bonuses need to be stack-able. The possibility of one corporation, or alliance, owning more than 3 districts on one planet is very high. Each SI bonus for DUST is per district, so no problem, but the EVE bonuses are much broader. If we don't let them stack there is no point, EVE side, for owning more than 3 districts and one of each SI. Any stacking we do though would obviously have stacking penalties just like modules in EVE.

Well, that's true when you add all the ISK you need for SI, management, etc... it's a lot of work and money...

But it looks like an issue. You avoid direct conflicts, you're working on economy without deploying expensive clones/vehicules, easy conquest.

With an active corp and a lots of members, ISK is not really the big deal...

I think this requires some looking into, because the initial boost from this uncontrolled clone amount growth allows for insane expansion speed. If someone does this and others don't, the someone will have all the clones required to defend whatever they please.

I don't follow, what looks like an issue?

A corp splitting into 100 corps to each pick an initial district with player donated clones, then merging into a megacorp starting from day one with a major clone advantage from 100 districts. I think this really is a mechanic that needs to be regulated.