Possible scenario :

Corp A with 100 members split and make 100 corp.
They put in the same alliance.
Each corp take a distric.
Then, they all going back to the 1st corp --> they own 100 district the first day.

I know that districts are own by the corp, and not the alliance. Just to be sure that you thought about this ;) !!!

A corp splitting into 100 corps to each pick an initial district with player donated clones, then merging into a megacorp starting from day one with a major clone advantage from 100 districts. I think this really is a mechanic that needs to be regulated.

Doesn't matter, as a CEO/director you can choose to produce or not clones... And it would takes 2 days to split 20 corps to 10. Another 2 days from 10 to 5 ...

Well, one week and you get it.

Absolutely, this is why there should not be a limit in place on how many clones a corporation can buy from day1 - otherwise it can be circumvented by making many small corps, which feels dull.

Day1) Alliance makes ton of small crops and flips a few regions.
Day2) Small corps move to bottleneck systems and merge by dropping slowly to 1 member corps that are left holding planets in deep region fortresses.
Day3) Merged big corps slowly take over the 1 member corp planets, while the small corps sell clones to make isk and ease the planet flip.
Day4) Alliance holds a few regions bastion by bottleneck systems and massive clone production from fastly flipped planets.

Bit excaggerated, but definitely better than having one corp slowly expand.

Or need a delay when you leave a corp, join another, and be able to engage in PC.

Don't really know, but it looks like an exploit (not an issue, sorry ;))

Okay, you're getting more realistic now - yes a 16 man corp may be able to adequately defend a planet every single day. However, that is still a separate corp. You couldn't count all the clones of 10 separate corps as one total for the big corp because you'd have 10 * 100 clones, not 1 * 1000. That's not a corporation, that's effectively an alliance.

In order to eventually become one big corp again, the main corp would have to attack 9 districts - in order to produce that many clones you're talking probably 18 days, depending on attrition for how spread out all those districts are. In that time you may also lose many clones from being attacked by other corps and your fake corps may also lose their districts too.

Your numbers are slowly wittling down and eventually you will see that what you are concerned about isn't realistic.

You are missing the obvious scenario of taking a 10x lead start in clone production by splitting into 10 corps, as opposed to slowly growing. This is a massive advantage, and there is no reason to start off 10x slower than you could by splitting. Corp mergers will happen by moving mercs between corps, selling clones off district and attacking with time frame play, giving easy access to the planets.

Now the thing gets viable by bottleneck systems allowing holding of these fortress regions from the external boundary. Give a month, and split corps will have taken a region, are sitting in bottlenecks making it impossible for external attack, and are slowly flipping over the planets inside deep region protection to form the megacorp.

Splitting is an artificial and utterly stupid mechanic, opposed to just doign the same thing with one corporation like intended. It still gives such a huge speed advantage to alliances it will be the way to expand, if this goes through as is. If you play a game of production and expansion, and have the choise to 10x your first weeks production speed and initial resources, you either take it or lose.

10x is of course just an arbitrary number.

And remember your split corps can remove their clones the day before the main corp expands into that district. Allowing no loss to the alt corp and no loss to the main corp cause all they have to do is put 100 clones in there to claim it.
If another coro tries to swoop in and take it the battle in sues.

This makes having your 10 smaller corps the advanced conquerers, then each day the main corp comes in behind the smaller corps as they abondon the district and keep advancing. The main coro is just acquiring each district that was left abondoned the day before.

And the corps would require 3 mercs so they could pull in the rest from the main corp as battles are required

There is only an hour window to attack, each day, and all those corps have to save up clones to attack too

The corps that start getting large clone numbers are going to start steam rolling the little guys

It wont be even, some districts will be missed, some corp will get ahead and then out produce the others.

It is only an advantage on day one where you can buy lots of starter packs and try and take a bunch of unowned districts. Once things get past that initial flash point it will be far better to be in one corporation and having the ability to transfer clones between districts.

I'm coming back with my projection on the first day.

LetGÇÖs do this properly.

Mother corp = A
Sister corps = B1-B2-B3-B4-B5

A need to provide at least 21.6M ISK to each sister corps nâá 108M ISK, and 3 members each to prepare defenses nâá 15 people.

Day 1 :
Every corps take 1 district on the same planet, A in the middle (just for the style ;))
Reinforcement timer set (for an EU corp as us) EVE time :
A : 20.00
B1 : 21.00
B2 : 22.00
B3 : 23.00
B4 : 0.00
B5 : 1.00
[District are locked, but they can be attack. If they are lock, you canGÇÖt build a SI. So 24h later, each district will have 140 clones (x6 = 840)
Suppose that a corp attack one of the district, we can defend it easily with the ringer system. Just need to count on our tactical and FPS skills. But on day after, just the corp that attacked has a prerogative to attack again. But they canGÇÖt buy another clone set to attack the day after. So youGÇÖll have a window to interact.
Well, just for the example, no one attack us during the first day.]

Day 2 :
A build Production Facility nâá up to 60 clones a day. Attack on B1.
B1 sell 139 clones.
B2-B3-B4-B5 no moves

Day 3 :
A has 2 districts with 100 clones on each (follow me ;)), and build a production facility on the new district.
B2-B3-B4-B5 have now 180 clones
No moves at all (A canGÇÖt empty a district)
If we are attack on others districts, we have enough clones to defend it (suppose ;)) : ringer system

Day 4 :
A attack B2 nâá 60 clones left on the first district, the new one has 160 clones.
B2 sell 219 clones (100,000 ISK each)
B3-B4-B5 no moves.

Etc, etc, etcGǪ

So for each sister corp, itGÇÖs 2 days to capture their district, keeping enough clones on each to defend them, earning ISK for A selling clones, capturing new district without fighting, members of sister corp wait 24h until join mother corp (what else ?).

So ok, this system is weak the 1st day, and maybe the third. After that, itGÇÖs just syncGǪ

Once again, donGÇÖt really know if itGÇÖs realistic (at least, it is to me), but it does need a simulationGǪ


Edit : on day 4, A become A1 and A2... A week or 10 days max to have 6 district without fighting...

Your description works as well for 1 corp = 1 district... So why not multiply the chances, the battles per day, the "fake" production clones for the MOTHER corp (even if you can't share the clones between all the corps), possibility to lock districts from other attack with your own corps (if you have good sync, other corps won't be able to attack you !!!)

Organization, management, logistic, but still a kind of "exploit" in my mind...

Invulnerable, by all means nope. Just bigger and capable of attacking multiple targets.

What is "constant attack"? An 1 hour timeframe, when you can be attacked. 1 hour daily. How does a big corp utilize numbers in this 1 hour timeframe? By having many districts to multiply the usage of numbers.

There is no circle exploit or such, just plain and simple:
GÇó put placeholders on districts and play them as normal corps
GÇó instead of fighting for expansion, you remove placeholders and will not lose the attack clones
GÇó the above fortifies one corp in relation to the same corp fighting for districts and losing clones on hard attack

Again, think of the corps in relation to same corp not split placeholder expanding. The 1 hour daily fight goes for the good players that put the clones to best use. If you have a ton of members, you can just do many corps and feed the strongest child. Players are same - they just join as ringers.

To me, from the given info it follows that split expand is vastly easier and moresustainable than trying to eek out clones to exp.

You will increase the splits corp "issue" ... If you stil need a minimum of 100 clones to attack...

Damn no !!!

You will increase the splits corp "issue" ... If you stil need a minimum of 100 clones to attack...

Or it could be a real big war on day 1 !!! Well, we had rest enough, let's do some sport !!!

Day 1

Take one district with main corp.
x districts with sisters.
1 sister attack a district (empty or not ?) with 199 clones, is that possible ?
Main attack the 1st sister with 100 clones.

It could be 3 districts for main on day 1.

Or as I said, a damn war ....

Yea, that last paragraph is what I was wondering (I've read the wiki multiple times). I sort of changed the terminology to easily distinguish between Setting an Attack (deciding you want to attack a district and waiting the 24 hours) and Launching an Attack (when you're actually doing the fighting itself).

The 1-hour exclusivity means you get to Set an Attack, but have to wait those 24 hours again to actually fight the battle--okay I get it. Thanks.

How does the Reinforcement timer on the first day work? If I set it for the next full hour after taking my first district, would I get those clones that same day?

Question :

Still a minimum of 100 clones loss ?

Cause with a 200 stack, what happen if game ends at MCC destruction and not clone depletion ? Does the attacker get any refund or something ?

So, another question : We will be able to choose a district for his localisation, his default SI and a default RT ?

Or the RT will be randomly seeded after the capture ?

The question is for empty districts...

Question :

What will happen if defenders stay all the time in the MCC without fighting ?

Take a 300 clones district being attack.
The attacker send the minimum : 150 clones.
Defenders dont want to fight
Attackers win by MCC destruction, and lost 150 clones.
Defenders loose 20% of their clones --> 240 clones still on the district.

Attack day 2 : 240 - 48 = 192
Attack day 3 : 154
Attack day 4 : 124
Attack day 5 : 100
etc...
etc...

It cost 75M to the attackers in clone value (150 clones per attack, 5 attack, 100,000 ISK per clone) on day 5, and they still don't have the district.
So ok, defenders don't win any ISK or loots, but they don't loose district, and it's impossible for attackers to sustain this with a 100 clones production per day with a SI (and it's fu*king boring...)

We need a way to FORCE people to play the game, and not just reward them for playing it. A redline countdown ? Need to be enough, and Bolas stop drinking ;) I don't have the solution for this, but it needs to be adress.

No, because you have a MINIMUM loose of 150 clones, whatever happen.