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CCP Rattati wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Bremen van Equis wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Should the range nerf go through, I do not expect Swarms will see much use in the weeks and months following Foxfour. High risk and negligible reward will be to blame.

High risk and negligible reward... area denial of a force multiplier is a negligible reward? Are you talking about WP for kills, or usefulness to the team? Maybe I'm wrong but aren't you guys wracking up +75's every time you get more than one volley off?

High risk and negligible reward is what current ADS is all about, except maybe in the hands of the most adept pilots. Swarms on a basic Min commando (now Caldari after hotfix) seem to be low risk for lots of points.

Are you trying to solo an ADS with swarms, or deny them access to clear a bunch of rooftop spawn points?

Hi there. You must've confused me with Soraya; please re-read the very first line of my feedback on the topic:

I agree that swarms are too good against dropships.

Unfortunately for Swarmers, there's more at play with Swarms than their oppression of dropships. Take Swarms vs HAVs, for example. Why even bother? To answer your question, Swarmers are not being paid +75WP per volley. Swarming is not at all a WP-intensive activity. It is, however, a very high-risk activity. Swarmers tend to die alot. They just do. If you don't care to take my word for it, try it sometime for yourself. Better yet, ask Rattati for Swarm Launcher kill/spawn efficiency numbers.

which is why swarms are also included in the weak spot increase for HAVs


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Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 709	Posted - 2015.09.26 19:25:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Bremen van Equis wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Should the range nerf go through, I do not expect Swarms will see much use in the weeks and months following Foxfour. High risk and negligible reward will be to blame. High risk and negligible reward... area denial of a force multiplier is a negligible reward? Are you talking about WP for kills, or usefulness to the team? Maybe I'm wrong but aren't you guys wracking up +75's every time you get more than one volley off? High risk and negligible reward is what current ADS is all about, except maybe in the hands of the most adept pilots. Swarms on a basic Min commando (now Caldari after hotfix) seem to be low risk for lots of points. Are you trying to solo an ADS with swarms, or deny them access to clear a bunch of rooftop spawn points? Hi there. You must've confused me with Soraya; please re-read the very first line of my feedback on the topic: I agree that swarms are too good against dropships. Unfortunately for Swarmers, there's more at play with Swarms than their oppression of dropships. Take Swarms vs HAVs, for example. Why even bother? To answer your question, Swarmers are not being paid +75WP per volley. Swarming is not at all a WP-intensive activity. It is, however, a very high-risk activity. Swarmers tend to die alot. They just do. If you don't care to take my word for it, try it sometime for yourself. Better yet, ask Rattati for Swarm Launcher kill/spawn efficiency numbers. which is why swarms are also included in the weak spot increase for HAVs Question: Can you add some kind of feedback to hitting a weak spot? Headshot kills give a sound effect and increased WP. Maybe there could be a "fuell cell/bottom/etc. vehicle damage" WP reward instead of the ordinary "vehicle damage" reward upon hitting the weakspot? The weakpoints of vehicles are one of those mechanics that the game really doesn't go out of its way to explain, and this kind of feedback would really help in learning the interaction without constantly lurking the forums. Also, I'm not a dedicated AV guy, but I kind of wonder how likely it is to accurately heat the weak spot of an HAV with a swarmer. In my experience, the hills are an important piece of cover in that matchup and indirect fire is king. Then again, it wouldn't be easy with a forge gun, either, unless the HAV is retreating.