I'm very, very much in favour of this.

That's an interesting dilema too.

I love a good fight. And I love a good fight for the Amarr Empire even more. I don't really care how much ISK I lose or if I lose the battle if the fight was close and engaging in the manner FW used to be.

But in a Public Match? I'll straight up look at the other team [and am usually playing solo] and determine how well I think I can function on the given map given the composition of the enemy team. If it's squadded up to high hell over there then why risk a several thousand ISK investment in the game for a reward that doesn't even cover my deployment costs in a meaningless battle against people I don't even care to face.

Hell in Dust I am a business not a charity.

Dear players,

I want to give a short update on what's happening with Matchmaking.

TLDR; it's working, and it's definitely pitting similar players together. We will share more data once we have collected a full 24 hour cycle from DT to DT.

There is a slight increase in queue time, but that was intended as we are certain players will want to wait up to 120 seconds for a good match, instead of 45 for a bad one. Compared to competitors and ladder/ranked gameplay games like BF/LoL, waiting time can be up to 10 minutes in the higher brackets. Again something we can tune, from now on.

We have been messing around with settings all day and none of them have broken anything, the logic is very stable and issue-free.

We are tuning the minimum teamsize to start games, and also the status of a running game, and whether to refill or simply let it die since it is already lost. There is an unresolved issue of big strong squads leaving battles. If this continues, we may have to figure out a way to "stop" that behaviour.

A few reports of uneven sides, which is to be expected.

Complaints of redlining are 1) anecdotal, if we trust our metrics, and 2) will continue to happen, just not as often against new players. The logic uses a Mu_threshold to split the playerbase into two queues, above and below that Mu_threshold. Players below should NOT be fighting players above, unless in extreme cases such as absolutely no other players can be found to start a new battle, or no eligible refill battle can be found.

I look forward to sharing more data, such as average Mu variation per battle, showing that more similar Mu players are fighting each other, and hopefully, that the winning margins are overall getting lower. That is the real indicator of more balanced matches, that the winning Ambush team was on average less clones than before, and the winning Skirm/Dom team, has less MCC health remaining, indicating that the match was closer than before.

Happy hunting

Compsognathus

On smaller maps (that don't exist) maybe. Maybe on a single "outpost" socket map, yes, not so bad. But running around huge maps across 3-5 objectives trying to find the occasional firefight does not equate to fun IMO - which some people complained about in full 16v16 skirmishes before the new matchmaking.

When stomp = fun in people's mentality, they deserve a boring life.

What I'm guessing here is that we're likely seeing people who are quivering at the first sign of resistance and then leave. If this was happening only on the tunnel map, I would understand. But this is happening on every map so it can't be because of bad map design.

You run the gear you can afford! you can make an effective fit for about 15K ISK (less if you have BPO's).

For example if i enter a match where I am clearly outgunned I put on my Dragonfly scout, avoid engagements, seek out enemy equipment, and hack points.

Because your avoiding engagements you wont die much and will make a decent amount of WP.

First match I played today was quite lopsided, 9v14 (or so).
Yet, I still came out with the most WP based on some knife kills for protofag campers on my sniping perch coupled with a few dropped uplinks. We still lost though.

Second match Scotty takes a dump as I'm climbing back up to my perch. Decided to wait it out until the wrinkles are ironed.

P.S.
Has the payout increased? I made almost 300k isk and almost 9k sp in my one match.

Well due to the matchmaking changes we are also fighting people in higher cost suits so that might be pushing up the isk at least

Still, I look forward to when everything has settled down and we have some good even(-ish) matches.
Protobabbys finally getting what they deserve.

We totally need that new stat.

Sounds a bit like how Starcraft does their matchmaking.

Anyways, matchmaking is cool, and has been desperately needed. But what happens when a top tier player like myself doesn't have the funds or desire to run a proto match. Am I really on the same level as somebody that runs proto, over myself running standard gear.

With the large differences between gear, I would like to also be matched with people running my same level of gear. Now before people uproar, I want to be matched with other players my skill level, but restricted to a tier level of gear, with payouts that reflect this. To me, this would be like the icing on the cake for matchmaking.

Other than that, I'll check this matchmaking out this evening, but from what I've seen of it so far, well done. I'd take a match where at least everyone throws in some effort, over those where they just throw clones at it, or sit in the redline and wait it out. I mean, stomping is fun the first time, but when every match is like that, it get BORING, and the win becomes meaningless.

Did you seriously expect that people wouldnt do this? There is nothing that stops you from creating new accounts. High skilled players do not want to constantly play vs their own kind. They do not want to play in a 24/7 competetive enviroment. And before the alt actually gets deleted they will transfer all the ISK to their main account. Its all about chilling and killing n00bs. Sorry if this answer sounds harsh but thats what the general FPS player wants to do.

Ofcourse alot of people will disagree with me now on that point but on the other hand alot of people will just moan when they go up vs the same guys again that beat them on the previous match.




Wont stop them cause you can create unlimited PSN accounts. And each new PSN= a new char for acedemy. Its one of the most basic things dust vets know. New PSN=1 new dust toon that can receive passive SP and in the future this will have aswell the benefit of getting into acedemy. So instead of queing a char for biomass they will just get rid of the PSN account and make a new one within 2 minutes.

I think its even easier to make sub PSN accounts from your main account. You are fighting the windmills Ratatti but im curious how you will fix this.

Might be an extreme case, but this still happens.

There WAS a squad on the other end.

It's going to take penalties for leaving matches. Put people that leave matches a lot in a queue that throws them into matches already in progress. Two birds, one stone.

When I see one of these veterans, I will spend all the battle just getting a single kill on them, because if they go 20/1, it was me that got that kill.

That is hilarious... just look at the PC corps on the side that stayed.

You guys are looking at this all wrong, and pandering to stompsquads won't earn you any points with the casuals. Most people play games to have fun. There's nothing fun about lopsided matches, so people aren't playing them; trying to force players to play them simply won't work. There are better ways to address this.


How much does that one kill cost?

Something has to give. This just wouldn't have happened a year ago. I don't understand why droves of players just derp around solo and expect it to be easy. Does Dust attract entitled personalities?