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Tebu Gan
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Posted - 2015.04.01 19:29:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:So now my little ego is going to be shattered by being not being put up against the super players...
Leave it to a DUST player to find SOMETHING to cry about! If you are "truly" better and close to the threshold, you will quickly graduate to the upper bracket by winning matches, and vice versa, if you were unluckily good as a new player, you may end up dropping (safely) to the lower bracket.
Sounds a bit like how Starcraft does their matchmaking.
Anyways, matchmaking is cool, and has been desperately needed. But what happens when a top tier player like myself doesn't have the funds or desire to run a proto match. Am I really on the same level as somebody that runs proto, over myself running standard gear.
With the large differences between gear, I would like to also be matched with people running my same level of gear. Now before people uproar, I want to be matched with other players my skill level, but restricted to a tier level of gear, with payouts that reflect this. To me, this would be like the icing on the cake for matchmaking.
Other than that, I'll check this matchmaking out this evening, but from what I've seen of it so far, well done. I'd take a match where at least everyone throws in some effort, over those where they just throw clones at it, or sit in the redline and wait it out. I mean, stomping is fun the first time, but when every match is like that, it get BORING, and the win becomes meaningless.
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Tebu Gan
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Posted - 2015.04.01 20:59:00 -
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ColdBlooded Max wrote:just got to say this game is no fun today
Not looking forward to this matchmaking all of a sudden.
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Tebu Gan
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Posted - 2015.04.01 22:40:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:ColdBlooded Max wrote:just got to say this game is no fun today Not looking forward to this matchmaking all of a sudden. When stomp = fun in people's mentality, they deserve a boring life.
Who said stomping is fun. Sure maybe one time, but it's not fun doing it constantly and the best games are always the ones that come down to just a few ticks/clones.
It's why me and many others enjoy PC so much, very rarely is there anything resembling a stomp. Perfectly match made games those are!
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Tebu Gan
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Posted - 2015.04.02 01:28:00 -
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Wow, just awful. A majority of matches are totally uneven, 16 vs 9 and so on. I've had a total of 2 good matches the rest so utterly boring uneven that I wonder if this is actually an april fools joke.
Please tell me it is, this is just stupid.
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention
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Posted - 2015.04.02 02:12:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:So now my little ego is going to be shattered by being not being put up against the super players...
Leave it to a DUST player to find SOMETHING to cry about! If you are "truly" better and close to the threshold, you will quickly graduate to the upper bracket by winning matches, and vice versa, if you were unluckily good as a new player, you may end up dropping (safely) to the lower bracket. Sounds a bit like how Starcraft does their matchmaking. Anyways, matchmaking is cool, and has been desperately needed. But what happens when a top tier player like myself doesn't have the funds or desire to run a proto match. Am I really on the same level as somebody that runs proto, over myself running standard gear. With the large differences between gear, I would like to also be matched with people running my same level of gear. Now before people uproar, I want to be matched with other players my skill level, but restricted to a tier level of gear, with payouts that reflect this. To me, this would be like the icing on the cake for matchmaking. Other than that, I'll check this matchmaking out this evening, but from what I've seen of it so far, well done. I'd take a match where at least everyone throws in some effort, over those where they just throw clones at it, or sit in the redline and wait it out. I mean, stomping is fun the first time, but when every match is like that, it get BORING, and the win becomes meaningless. Good question and something that has been raised before. Good players don't need proto gear to be good. Proto gear needs to be used in PC to match against other good players, and that's where gear becomes the potential decider, that extra little something. Playing in ADV gear in pubs does not change the fact that you know the maps, you have situational aweareness, you know (even if you can't explain it) where enemies usually pathfind and where to expect them, you know when to switch to sidearm and to cook your grenade, you know when to duck and weave, or when to retreat. All these things are in your advantage as a veteran, and gear is just a tiny part of it. When 6 super soldiers are squading together, they could all be in all miltiia and still win, they just go proto because they can, and that it is likely that they will still turn a profit. When I see one of these veterans, I will spend all the battle just getting a single kill on them, because if they go 20/1, it was me that got that kill.
I will disagree that gear doesn't hold a large advantage. If it was just a minimal advantage, then PC matches would have some mixed in. But they don't and we always joke about those that don't run it.
You don't see people running lesser gear in PC because it IS inferior to the other options out there. A pro vet will beat out a pro in ADV or STD gear most of the time. I do get where you are coming from, because I do it myself in my cheap frontline setup. But when I come against other squads running coordinated with full proto, it really becomes blurred.
A full milita squad of vets WON'T beat out a full proto squad of vets. This is delusional, and PC should be an example of this. Your new matchmaking is placing vets against vets, I'll give it that. But your matches are still very lopsided because when one chooses to run the best of the best while another needs to make a little isk, it should be obvious who will win.
When I run milita or basic gear, I have to play at the top of my game to down a single proto suit. Because often I won't hold the eHP to take that proto weapon, and my basic weapon won't have the damage to down his eHP in a reasonable time. So whats that say about the proto suit playing at the top of it's game?
People may complain about a COD or even Destiny PVP, but at least when you go in, you know you won't be beat out because you choose to run something weaker. You mostly have just as good a chance at killing as your enemy. WIth dust you DO have tiers of power, and I don't think you should be ignoring that fact.
This isn't your run of the mill shooter. This has RPG elements that DO make a difference. You want evenly matched games, then tiering your game mode, same as you do with gear, will make that happen. A STD squad VS a STD squad IS even. A STD squad VS a PRO squad is NOT evenly matched in the least bit.
I'm sure there are many out there that can agree with this. In any case though, I like the effort. I'm sure the newbs are having a MUCH better time of it. Which is a very good thing as those are the lifeblood of this game.
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention
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Posted - 2015.04.02 02:19:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:It's going to take penalties for leaving matches. Put people that leave matches a lot in a queue that throws them into matches already in progress. Two birds, one stone. You guys are looking at this all wrong, and pandering to stompsquads won't earn you any points with the casuals. Most people play games to have fun. There's nothing fun about lopsided matches, so people aren't playing them; trying to force players to play simply won't work. There are better ways to address this. CCP Rattati wrote:When I see one of these veterans, I will spend all the battle just getting a single kill on them, because if they go 20/1, it was me that got that kill. How much does that one kill cost? IDGAS
Some of us don't have unlimited resources, you know.
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Tebu Gan
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Posted - 2015.04.02 19:59:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:
What, you don't have starter loadouts. Better send in a ticket.
Cute. Allow me to explain, since you missed the point. Or choose to ignore it because you still cling to this idea that Skill > Gear.
True, we do have starter suits, and yes I do use them when making money. But why I'm a forced to run them consistently to fund proto. Yes this made perfect sense before, as you would be matched with newbs that lacked this themselves. So it was sort of a balancing factor with the lack of matchmaking.
But now that we have this match making system (which seems to be working quite well), shouldn't you be encouraging the use of proto at higher tiers. You know, since those being matched will no doubt have it. Why do we need to downgrade to lesser gear when you have the ability to run the best of the best and we are facing the best of the best.
Maybe it's time to reevaluate this, eh. Like I said, the reason many of us crave PC battles, is because we know going in that:
.: The match will no doubt incorporate the use of nothing but proto, meaning an even match based on skill and coordination alone.
2. The payout reflects this, allowing us to at least break even or not come out too far in the hole. Unless we lose of course, but corp reimburses for this.
I personally don't have much time in the day to dedicate to this game, so much of my time is spent grinding out isk to fund a game or two of proto. I want to have some fun, and am excited about this new matchmaking (if we only had full teams). Not spend a majority of my time being inferior to play on the same level.
So please, don't be rude about this and consider encouraging more proto play at higher tiers by giving us better payouts to do so. Your matchmaking is working beautifully, so encouraging gear for it's respective tier in matchmaking would be the icing on this delicious cake that is matchmaking.
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Tebu Gan
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Posted - 2015.04.03 04:53:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:
What, you don't have starter loadouts. Better send in a ticket.
Cute. Allow me to explain, since you missed the point. Or choose to ignore it because you still cling to this idea that Skill > Gear. True, we do have starter suits, and yes I do use them when making money. But why I'm a forced to run them consistently to fund proto. Yes this made perfect sense before, as you would be matched with newbs that lacked this themselves. So it was sort of a balancing factor with the lack of matchmaking. But now that we have this match making system (which seems to be working quite well), shouldn't you be encouraging the use of proto at higher tiers. You know, since those being matched will no doubt have it. Why do we need to downgrade to lesser gear when you have the ability to run the best of the best and we are facing the best of the best. Maybe it's time to reevaluate this, eh. Like I said, the reason many of us crave PC battles, is because we know going in that: .: The match will no doubt incorporate the use of nothing but proto, meaning an even match based on skill and coordination alone. 2. The payout reflects this, allowing us to at least break even or not come out too far in the hole. Unless we lose of course, but corp reimburses for this. I personally don't have much time in the day to dedicate to this game, so much of my time is spent grinding out isk to fund a game or two of proto. I want to have some fun, and am excited about this new matchmaking (if we only had full teams). Not spend a majority of my time being inferior to play on the same level. So please, don't be rude about this and consider encouraging more proto play at higher tiers by giving us better payouts to do so. Your matchmaking is working beautifully, so encouraging gear for it's respective tier in matchmaking would be the icing on this delicious cake that is matchmaking. , the payout formula does take into account losses, so if proto players are dying, and everyone is using proto, the rewards go up. We can't fix everything at once, so focusing on getting vets to play vets and keep them from new players. And, not being snide, maybe FW is a safe haven from the pub MM if you want no MM. FW needs a little work, but in the meantime, maybe that's an option. There are so many good ideas, and things that can be done, but there are only so many hours in the day.
Lol, no I don't need a "safe haven" from MM. I do quite well normally, even in a standard loadout or FL suit of my chosen suit path. Just something I notice, games tend to be a lot more intense and fulfilling, when people are running gear similar to my own.
Then you come into matches where you meet a full proto squad and just die constantly. If a majority of the opposition runs proto, and a majority of your own team does not, the balance of power is VERY obvious. And even if I do well, as I'm typically in the top 5(I'm sure you can check this), my payout still yet remains rather low. I average 250K a match. That may pay for an load of standard loadouts, yet proto suits that accounts for 2 at best.
Matchmaking is working beautifully, I've had some VERY good ambush matches, and I've had those "proto stomp" matches where my efforts equal hitting a brick wall. In every match I ran a standard caldari loadout (250 of those things) with maybe one proto suit thrown in. Against proto, I had to really work and die many times to get that one kill. When I had a match where most were running on my level gear wise, the match was very balanced and even.
Anyways, I get it, I know you are busy with this. Just a heads up, as from what I've seen so far, the matchmaking is PERFECT. It's amazing when you get 2 full teams going at it. Ambush used to be a one way street, and now it's a fight that comes down to those last clones. And most incredibly, a team with fewer clones comes out of the hole and makes a win. Had a few of those, just amazing. Now if payouts allowed us to run our tier of power, proto, matches would be even most all of the time.
And as far as getting vet to play vets, man I don't know what's up. But I can tell you, just maybe everyone and your own line of reasoning is a bit off. It's just so unbelievable to me that people leave cause they think there might be a fight involved. It's just too crazy to me, there's gotta be something else going on. I don't know. I personally NEVER check who I'm fighting before hand. A fight's a fight, good players play bad and bad players play good. Never know what you will actually get.
I just can't believe that people are leaving because they are up against a fight. Dom and skirm are the worst, ambush tends to keep pretty even team numbers. Yes, though, get that figured out, then figure out how to encourage using a tier of gear worthy of your skill.
No rush (cough cough, hurry up fool!) Splendid job in any case thus far! You are doing great Mr. Wheaton.
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