So now my little ego is going to be shattered by being not being put up against the super players...

Leave it to a DUST player to find SOMETHING to cry about!

Allow the academy to only be visited once per ACCOUNT instead of based on character age.

Sure, you can make a second PSN account, but that is more difficult and requires a separate sign-in. That might discourage this kind of behavior.

Make the academy account based rather than character based? sure they could still just use another PSN account but constantly making alternate psns will get old for them after awhile. who has more than 3 emails?

Sounds a bit like how Starcraft does their matchmaking.

Anyways, matchmaking is cool, and has been desperately needed. But what happens when a top tier player like myself doesn't have the funds or desire to run a proto match. Am I really on the same level as somebody that runs proto, over myself running standard gear.

With the large differences between gear, I would like to also be matched with people running my same level of gear. Now before people uproar, I want to be matched with other players my skill level, but restricted to a tier level of gear, with payouts that reflect this. To me, this would be like the icing on the cake for matchmaking.

Other than that, I'll check this matchmaking out this evening, but from what I've seen of it so far, well done. I'd take a match where at least everyone throws in some effort, over those where they just throw clones at it, or sit in the redline and wait it out. I mean, stomping is fun the first time, but when every match is like that, it get BORING, and the win becomes meaningless.

Did you seriously expect that people wouldnt do this? There is nothing that stops you from creating new accounts. High skilled players do not want to constantly play vs their own kind. They do not want to play in a 24/7 competetive enviroment. And before the alt actually gets deleted they will transfer all the ISK to their main account. Its all about chilling and killing n00bs. Sorry if this answer sounds harsh but thats what the general FPS player wants to do.

Ofcourse alot of people will disagree with me now on that point but on the other hand alot of people will just moan when they go up vs the same guys again that beat them on the previous match.




Wont stop them cause you can create unlimited PSN accounts. And each new PSN= a new char for acedemy. Its one of the most basic things dust vets know. New PSN=1 new dust toon that can receive passive SP and in the future this will have aswell the benefit of getting into acedemy. So instead of queing a char for biomass they will just get rid of the PSN account and make a new one within 2 minutes.

I think its even easier to make sub PSN accounts from your main account. You are fighting the windmills Ratatti but im curious how you will fix this.

You guys are looking at this all wrong, and pandering to stompsquads won't earn you any points with the casuals. Most people play games to have fun. There's nothing fun about lopsided matches, so people aren't playing them; trying to force players to play simply won't work. There are better ways to address this.


How much does that one kill cost?

Some of us don't have unlimited resources, you know.

Just spent the night working on missions on many accounts.

One account has 600,000sp and was fighting against veteran players for some reason.

Apparently the small time I played on it I must have done pretty well.

Aside from that, all the other accounts seemed to be pitted against groups that were on paper equally skilled.

The high SP accounts (20mil SP +) saw most matches ending with 6-10 players on either side.

The mid and low SP accounts saw most matches ending with 12+ players on each side and not one instance of redlining.

That is not to say that some matches ended up with clone counts of 20 vs 100 ect, but that was usually due to a few guys that obviously were in the wrong weight class.

Most of my waits for battles were under 3 minutes which is fine for me, as a MAG veteran I used to wait 30-35 minutes for a domination match.

I am willing to wait up to 5-7 minutes if that allows the queue to set up full evenly balanced teams.

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From a New Player Experience perspective this change will definitely help the new player attrition rate and grow our playerbase.

As a veteran, I can say that the longer wait times and squads backing out of almost every match is a pain in the ass.

Until word spreads that they are not going to be able to dodge other proto squads and stomp on new players all day... the long waits and low player count at the end of match won't change.

Sure, we can... there has to be some sort of a cut off line though
Frankly, replacing a squad (or more) that left at the very beginning of a battle =/= putting people into a match that is already over.
Furthermore, I don't consider, say a dom, where one MCC is barely into armour and the other has most of its shields to be "almost over" or "lost", there is still time to turn it around, if the team is willing to try (assuming no catastrophic clone losses on either side). I do consider a dom where the blue MCC has 2 ticks of armour and the objective is red to be more than over. There is quite a difference between putting new players into the two, yes?

That latter scenario seems to primarily happen if queued solo... is the matchmaker simply more easygoing with putting solo players where ever they fit, than whole squads?

Also, is it possible to tweak the matchmaker so, that once a battle has started, it would be less strict? As in, if a battle loses players at the very beginning, it would primarily try to find a squad (or squads) of roughly appropriate size to replace those players, maybe on a widened "scope" so to speak? Or, at the very least, try to put more players in at least within the first few minutes of the battle, length depending on the game mode, obviously.

Cute. Allow me to explain, since you missed the point. Or choose to ignore it because you still cling to this idea that Skill > Gear.

True, we do have starter suits, and yes I do use them when making money. But why I'm a forced to run them consistently to fund proto. Yes this made perfect sense before, as you would be matched with newbs that lacked this themselves. So it was sort of a balancing factor with the lack of matchmaking.

But now that we have this match making system (which seems to be working quite well), shouldn't you be encouraging the use of proto at higher tiers. You know, since those being matched will no doubt have it. Why do we need to downgrade to lesser gear when you have the ability to run the best of the best and we are facing the best of the best.

Maybe it's time to reevaluate this, eh. Like I said, the reason many of us crave PC battles, is because we know going in that:

.: The match will no doubt incorporate the use of nothing but proto, meaning an even match based on skill and coordination alone.

2. The payout reflects this, allowing us to at least break even or not come out too far in the hole. Unless we lose of course, but corp reimburses for this.

I personally don't have much time in the day to dedicate to this game, so much of my time is spent grinding out isk to fund a game or two of proto. I want to have some fun, and am excited about this new matchmaking (if we only had full teams). Not spend a majority of my time being inferior to play on the same level.

So please, don't be rude about this and consider encouraging more proto play at higher tiers by giving us better payouts to do so. Your matchmaking is working beautifully, so encouraging gear for it's respective tier in matchmaking would be the icing on this delicious cake that is matchmaking.

I've always wondered why WP's value weren't given out on a tiered basis.

50 WP for MLT/STD, 100 WP for ADV, 150 for PRO. Would shrink protoplayers' payouts/SP if they grab mainly easy kills, and would reward other players for taking a stand and trying to deal losses to the stompers instead of cowering to save ISK, since more WP = more ISK of course.

Allow me to explain: When playing is no longer worthwhile nor cost effective, you stop playing.
That simple.
Some of us genuinely don't have an ego to bruise in a match, but we do care about isk.

There are two factors I look at.
1. Can we win? At what costs?
2. If we can't, how much is victory going to cost the enemy? Can we inflict enough damage to make their victory empty and meaningless?

If an enemy player goes 20/1 that 1 is meaningless.
You need to make it 20/5, 20/9, or 20/20 with him using an ADV or PRO suit for it to matter.

The past 12 hours have been a blast. Ran lots of matches solo. Ran lots of matches in a small squad and a few in a full squad. A few stomps here and there, but matches were largely full and fun. The "proto standard" from yesterday seems to have given way to advanced gear today.

Ran 80% advanced suits and BPO guns today. Ended the day with more Isk than I began, and had fun pretty much every match.

(Wonder if I got demoted to a lower tier. )