You are wrong. Yes supporting for AV is good, but It's really the domain of the Commando and the Assault for a reason. However if you want to still do it as a logi, it is possible. Just skill into the Amar Logi suit and carry your swarms with a sidearm and still have plenty of equipment slots... There done.

Logi's are not used right now because SCOUTS are able to be slayers, assault, AND logis too with their second equipment slot. By adding a limited bandwidth to the scout, you effectively remove them from the logi role without having to remove that extra pesky equipment slot. BW will only make logi's more valued and prized and once players realize that, they will also start PROTECTING THEIR LOGI'S!!!! Hell I can see non-logis like assaults or commandos even carrying a needle just so that they can ensure that their logi can get back up and continue to support the squad. Cuz', you know, that scout's gonna kill that logi with a shotgun in two hits, but then die to the rest of the squad and then the rest of the squad revives the logi and problem solved...

Dust 514 v1.9 - Rant on Solo Gameplay: http://youtu.be/eNqtvTc1_UE

I won't be able to play like this with equipment bandwidth

From another thread that echos some of your sentiments I think...

#252Posted: 2014.11.26 16:04 | Report | Edited by: Jaysyn Larrisen
i think there are several areas that need to be addressed with the logi role and the racial suits. Removing tactical flexibility and adaptability...two of the few shining areas of positive play in Dust in an attempt to attack the singular problem of equipment spam is just not a well thought out idea at this point.

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I just think this entire idea takes away freedom for a player so it can nicely fit into some predefined idea that some one else ahs on how the battles should unfold.

Unfortunately easily exploitive behavior eradication and overall game balance needs to take precedence.

On the less objective note, I think the whole "Drop equipment and swap suits" Bypasses one of the wewaknesses of a non-logi suit and diminishes the value of said logistics in the field. I firmly believe that that kind of play hurts the dedicated logistics role more than it helps.

Dust 514 v1.9 - Rant on Solo Gameplay: http://youtu.be/eNqtvTc1_UE

I won't be able to play like this with equipment bandwidth

For your Information Breakin, Jet Canning was considered at one time to be a exploit. It was proposed for removal.

Some of my logi suits cost upwards for 100k a spawn in and get killed off very easily. Also I pay the price of not having my heavy pushing objectives and slaying on the field. Just seams like a case where people are looking to hard to fix something for the sake of fixing something.

Unfortunately easily exploitive behavior eradication and overall game balance needs to take precedence.

On the less objective note, I think the whole "Drop equipment and swap suits" Bypasses one of the wewaknesses of a non-logi suit and diminishes the value of said logistics in the field. I firmly believe that that kind of play hurts the dedicated logistics role more than it helps.

Equipment spam is a necessary evil and it isn't as common as other exploits. Move the supply depot at the gallente research facilty and BAM, 90% of all cases of equipment spam are gone. The gallente lag facility is the only place i consistently see people do this.

Meanwhile I see frisbee REs all the time.

cloaked shotgun scouts literally every match.

Suit switching at supply depots frequently.

and Spawn camping.

All of these could be fixed. We even had a client side update in which none of these things where fixed, in fact the things that where supposed to be fixed weren't fixed!

Anyway, particularly with uplinks quantity is far superior to quality. Here is why:

1. scouts infest the map: there are no clear battle lines because scouts can be invisible on the radar of most suits permanently and relatively unnoticeable due to cloaks (especially in the heat of battle with visible enemies) for extended periods of time. They sneak and destroy equipment that would otherwise survive. The most undetectable suits in the game are also the fastest, equipment is easy to see and easy to scan. All it takes is a single melee hit to destroy it.

2. Logi suits suck to the point they cannot defend their own equipment. If by some miracle a logi wins a fight in which they cannot run away and likely had to reload their gun all that their opponent needs to do is throw a grenade or RE and the equipment is indefensible. So really an enemy hardly needs to engage a logi at all if their goal is only to destroy equipment.

3. Large quantities of uplinks are the only way for a logi prevent a speedy redline if your team isn't as capable competitively. You like the sort of matches where neither team can gain any ground on the other and everyone fights really hard? Thank equipment spam for that. Keeping player's ammo full and allowing a team to respawn in time that all the links aren't destroyed.

Really if one wants to reduce the necessity of uplink spam, reduce spawn time.

also equipment spam doesn't cause lag, so can someone answer? What is the reason to implement this? Just cuz? The maps too blue for people? Do scouts need another edge over logistics suits? Did someone put an uplink by Rattati's uplink while he was shotgun scouting? What is it?

Which is why you use them as a trap and then drive them into it via AV nades/Forge/Swarms.

You chase them off into your field which is what kills the softened vehicle (if they even need softened).

#63Posted: 2014.11.27 21:43 | Report
True Adamance wrote:

However you have yet to suggest why the logistics player should gain the benefit of using their suit, switching to another, and continuing to have personal and team wide benefits despite being a completely different role.


My response:

Every suit has this ability to varying degrees already...the uplinks you placed in the perfect spot as a scout remain, correct? Even with bandwidth applied those uplinks will likely still be active when that scout switches to his Six Kin HMG fit then back to his cloak shotgunner fit a few minutes later. Effectively every suit can enjoy the benefits you describe while being in a different role and switch roles with near impunity. I for one actually think that is a strength of the game.

The issue is the scale or capacity for spam that logi suits have seem to be the point of contention you bring up. There is no way to impact that without a negative impact on Logi suits short of a dramatic revision of how equipment works in the game. Perhaps the idea of squad bandwidth might level things out...it's honestly difficult to tell.

There are numerous variables that are difficult to sort through to try and find an optimal solution in regards to equipment spam. Logi suits desperately need significant redesign already and perhaps bandwidth can be a positive factor but it can't simply be another constraint that they carry the lionshare of the consequences on.

One thing i do know about Dust is that nothing scales well. Two scouts add flavor and variety to a team and added tactical challenge to an opponent but 13 of them on one team is broken. The same can be said for heavies, vehicles, and apparently equipment.

Switching to a suit with no equipment slots should not allow you to retain equipment.

Sentinel bandwidth should be zero.

Squad bandwidth makes no sense.

Heavies im LAVS are an annoyance that just bug people. Legit reasons but they're more likely to just aggravate you than affect the battle more than marginally.

Unrestricted equipment spam has encouraged certain obnoxious behavior that doesn't assist the team (hives on a depot), forces atype of play (spawn as many uplinks on the objective as possible and then everyone spawn heavy or scout), and it diminishes dedicated logi players because once the spam is in place the only reason to get In a logi suit is to...

Re-drop lost equipment. Then swap back to a slayer.

The only other reason to deploy a logi is so you can polin a rep tool on the fatty.

Bandwidth should have been a thing from release. People don't need to think about how they are using equipment right now and that is a major problem.

Uplink spam substitutes for tactics.

Hive spam substitutes for ammo conservation via good aim.

The only ones whi I feel might have a legit gripe are people doing combat engineer things like mines but you can guard those in a logi suit.

1. Agreed...but you can keep your deployables if you do have bandwidth right? One or two slots worth depending on suit. The cost of switching to suits is exorbitantly higher for the logi with no upside. Losing one or two ammo hives does not in anyway equate to losing a full rack of proto uplinks, ammo hives and triage hives.

2. Agreed.

3. Never said that it did. I heard some folks kicking that around as an alternative and mentioned it, thats all.

Also, there is no getting around that if you want to address equipment spam you have to apply hard nerfs to logi suits....which then further undercut a role already being left behind in the dust.

My biggest concern is that BW width will go in and we still won't have a rework for the logi suits in hand. If BW (which i still think is a poor idea) goes in...or rather when it goes in, it MUST be either after the logi suit rework or in conjunction with it.

Nerf?
What nerf?

As a pure logistics player i actually consider this a major buff,and a big FU to omni soldiers.
This will in no way negatively effect dedicated logistics players.

It will however destroy those that spam equipment just to switch suits.
This IMHO will actually add value to those dedicated logistics players,seeing as how everyone can see how much of a death trap the suit is.
They wouldn't want to run the suit themselves (because they'll die easier) so they might actually start covering those brave enough to do so.