What we do on the battlefield - assumes responsibility.
Fighter who launched equipment, should feel responsible as large as his equipment helps his team.

Otherwise, it will look as if I could die, but my rifle continued to fire at the enemy.
Launched equipment - is also means of combating, like a rifle.

I donGÇÖt mind so much having Bandwidth difference for Logi. Bandwidth will be GÇ£their thingGÇ¥. Someone who wants to play the Logi role will be fine with playing a Logi the whole match. They can still add their gun to the fight.

What it will discourage is people who play other roles having a Logi Uplink fit that they use to seed an area and then switch to their main suit. I do this, and I will miss it, but as long as all suits have the bandwidth for a couple of pieces of equipment you can still deploy a few critical pieces of equipment, if you are not a Logi specialist.

Which leads me back to a point I have been making. All non-logi suits (including Sentinel) should have the same Bandwidth, because Bandwidth is a Logi thing, and it should be kept simple for us non-logi.

Meh, I personally disagree. I could understand having two low profile uplinks deployed behind enemy lines to give your team an advantage but having the ability to remote an objective (or god forbid start blowing up entire squads) on top of that, as well as all the inherent bonuses that a Scout gets to general combat as it is... Doesn't seem very fair. Personally, I think Scouts need to have more of a hard-chosen fitting scheme where they have to consider their options -before- spawning and I think having reduced equipment slots would be a good way of doing that.

I advocated, back in 1.8, that Scouts have two equipment just to try it out. I even said, "They've been under powered for so long, let them be OP for a month". It's been over a year now, so I think it's time we try looking at other avenues to bring them back down in balance.

Meh, I personally disagree. I could understand having two low profile uplinks deployed behind enemy lines to give your team an advantage but having the ability to remote an objective (or god forbid start blowing up entire squads) on top of that, as well as all the inherent bonuses that a Scout gets to general combat as it is... Doesn't seem very fair. Personally, I think Scouts need to have more of a hard-chosen fitting scheme where they have to consider their options -before- spawning and I think having reduced equipment slots would be a good way of doing that.

I advocated, back in 1.8, that Scouts have two equipment just to try it out. I even said, "They've been under powered for so long, let them be OP for a month". It's been over a year now, so I think it's time we try looking at other avenues to bring them back down in balance.

So the roll of a Logi should be to cower in a corner once all their equipment is deployed?

Another idea on top: A module that increases equipment bandwidth, sacrificing a bit of your suit to increase your support powah.

Nono, as long as you respawn in a Logi again, they stay up.

I find it very fitting for scouts to not have as much bandwidth as the Assault or Commando.
We are limited by having 1 equipment slot, scouts having 2 makes them tread dangerously to Logi territory, and as such should have slightly stricter bandwidth.

Nono, as long as you respawn in a Logi again, they stay up.

WouldnGÇÖt giving them the SAME Bandwidth as a suit with only 1 equipment slot already do that?

Why make Bandwidth complicated for non-logi?

Nono, as long as you respawn in a Logi again, they stay up.

Guys, Ratatti, let me explain what is happening now.

In serious fights we have the following scenario:

1. At the beginning of battle HALF fighters planted in logi.
2. Equipment spam, die or refit to assaults/scouts/etc
3. No logi in a fight.

Equipment Bandwidth did not save us from the problems, scenario would be:

1. At the beginning of battle ALL fighters planted with equipment fit variant.
2. Equipment spam, die or refit to simular Bandwidth suit (battle fit variant).
3. No logi in a fight.


I understand that the current scenario is simple and effective.
Just want to remind you that we wanna play not a Mario style game.

I tend to agree, Scouts have been doing everything well for some time now.

This right here is a massive problem. If i want to redploy i can only choose a logi suit, or be penalized for bringing ina logi suit in the first place.

Scenario: Run in with amarr logi. Drop links. Fight some more killed by heavy.

I cannot pick a Scout to out flank it, or a min scout to run around and hack. Can't pick another heavy to defend the spawn area. Can't pick assault or commando to push onward.

My uplinks will be destroyed if I spawn in anything but a logi, thus defeating the initial purpose of bringing uplinks to begin with, so i can respawn with my squad in a good, safe location.

Flexibility will be fine for any other suit, switching an assault to a commando, a scout to heavy, etc. The only suit/players to be penalized for being flexible are amarr and caldari logis to a large extent, to a lessre extent any other logi. The message to them is "you had better not change suits or else your bonus, isk, and SP investment = zero".

Not really, we have more bandwidth than we actually need for one equipment.
Giving scouts the same amount would make them slightly too free with equipment, at least in my opinion.

Nono, as long as you respawn in a Logi again, they stay up.

So drop equipment then change to your slayer logi fit.

Rattati...quick point on this. It does limit the tactical flexibility players have when they get painted into a corner (i.e. perhaps too steep a cost for switching roles in the match). The ability to adapt mid-game between suits / fits ect is at least for me a major positive of the game and this may induce too steep a penalty.

Consider this...quite a few dedicated Logi players also play Sentinel as well. Imagine dropping a couple uplinks and seeding your nanohives and if it looks like the enemy push is gaining momentum you switch to your heavy hmg and poof...the hardpoint you had set up to support your team is gone.

Your suggested solution of having equipment die when the person who places them dies will mean that every member of the team will have to quip Uplinks all the time, just to insure there are always uplinks up. No one would play logi, because the only effective way to keep your Uplinks up after you placed them would be to withdraw from the fight. No team wants to be down a man, so Logi would be useless in PC.

First off, Put the proper time and effort into Fixing Needles.

You have effectively killed it and removed an entire part of the game that could of been great.

I Have spent two years posting about Needles. I Have posts with thousands of likes regarding -1 death from needle use.

Logis are fine with a WP cap over time for reviving, everyone is fine with it.

Removing an entire part of the game instead of building and adding to it... IS going backwards.

I Hate "I Told you So's" But there are hundreds of times now that I have given CCP plenty of forward warning about purposed changes that will hurt the game and they went ahead and screwed themselves anyway.

IS there a point to feedback if a Developers mind is already closed?

Absolutley correct.

Logi has no place in combat, since losing the efficiency over for asault/scout/etc.
Nobody wants to lose better fighter in pursuit of efficiency, it makes logi stupid suit for battlefield preparation.
You can remove his rifle - he does not need. Once equpment drop - play Mario.

Dear Players

Based on a lot of feedback, both from CPM, Community and previous CCP designs, one of the things we are able to conjure up is the much wanted Equipment Bandwidth feature.

* We want to fix Equipment spam to increase framerate
* We want Quality over Quantity Equipment gameplay
* We want a solid Logistics progression at using Equipment
* We want Logistics to excel at using Equipment, and other roles less so
* We want Equipment diversity

Now, we want to get your feedback as early as possible, so chime in. But here are some clarifications of intent.

Equipment Limit
The main design is primarily based off of Drones in EVE.

Every dropsuit has a built-in Equipment Controller, which has a certain Bandwidth Capacity (in MHz). That Controller Bandwidth is used to manage deployed Equipment through constant signaling.

Each piece of deployed Equipment has a different Bandwidth Cost (or Usage). Note that all Equipment still has the same current limitations of GÇPdeployed per typeGÇ£.

Obviously Logistics are made for this purpose, and some Logistics more than others.

In the case of deployed Equipment Bandwidth exceeding the Players current Bandwidth, deployed Equipment self-destructs instantly, in the sequence it was deployed. In the attached spreadsheet, we show an example of such a scenario.

This feature will allow proper Logistics to excel at their deployment role, while keeping Assaults & Commandos relatively useful and Scouts will be diminished in capability as they were never meant to be a king of deployables, the additional slot was added for the Cloak Field.

Quality over Quantity
We want players to use the best Equipment they have at their disposal. ThatGÇÖs why Bandwidth will not increase with item tiers. We also have the capability and intent to reduce Scan Profile with tiers, so Advanced and Complex gear is not as easy to scan. However, this also allows us to increase the carried amount, for rapid redeployment. Spawn first Nanohive and Drop Uplink at point A, redeploy to Objective B, spawn second Nanohive and Drop Uplink, and so on. Stay out of trouble and you wonGÇÖt need to switch or restock for quite some time.

Progression
Logistics will have the, by far, the highest Bandwidth, with Caldari and Amarr the highest. We may need to reword or change some of their role bonuses. Bandwith progression will follow the Equipment slot progression so a Logistics player can almost always use their full allotment of deployable Equipment.

Logistics vs other Dropsuits
One of the key aspects of this proposal is that all Equipment is tied to the active Dropsuit of the Player. Switch from a suit with a high Bandwidth to another suit with lower Bandwidth, and the signal is lost. This means that starting as a Logistics dropsuit, throw down as much cheap Equipment as possible, then switch into another Logistics dropsuit at a Supply Depot, repeat and then finally switch into another role, Sentinel, Scout, Assault or Commando, will not be possible anymore.

Diversity
We can now influence players to use more Proximity Mines for example, as Scan Profile will allow them to be hidden from low Precision Vehicle Players, as well as having a lower Bandwidth Cost, allowing more at the same time, without allowing more Uplinks and Nanohives. Extra damage wouldnGÇÖt hurt either.

Now, to the numbers found in this spreadsheet. Please remember that these numbers are placeholders, and are definitely up for debate so form your arguments for changes into clear and concise statements.

Please read the Example as well, it should explain the whole design clearly.

Again, your feedback and input is appreciated.