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iKILLu osborne
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2014.12.02 00:27:00 -
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hmm i approve, this will definitely change the pc landscape
if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
367
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Posted - 2014.12.02 01:11:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Stefan Stahl wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:The result will probs be the following, deploy EQ suit, put stuff down, change to slayer logi with basic stuff on as backup... This appears like a valid concern. You don't in fact have to equip a deployable item to keep it on the field. A 950 ehp slayer-logi will do that just fine (as just configured at protofits.com). That's definitely a weakness of the current design proposal. ... Of course that is a weakness it shares with the currently implemented design, but a weakness still. The much simpler "if you don't have it equipped on your suit it goes pop"-rule would solve that and the EQ-spam without the whole EQ bandwidth design... That would be entirely too restrictive. And expensive. And disproportionately hammer the Caldari and Amarr logi's. Not totally sure it would be that much "simpler" either, considering bandwidth is something the servers already know how to deal with. People throw terms like "easier" and "simpler" around way too often around here....
The simple version would have been, to charge everyone for switching suits or loadouts.
So as soon as you switch suits, everything that's not part of the new loadout gets dropped on the Battlefield and is taken from your assets.
EQ Spam would still be possible but at a price in isk.
To prevent role switching, just treat every role change at supply depot as suicide. I would be perfectly fine with that, but every spammer would not!
Cheers
Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4772
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Posted - 2014.12.02 03:42:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Stefan Stahl wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:The result will probs be the following, deploy EQ suit, put stuff down, change to slayer logi with basic stuff on as backup... This appears like a valid concern. You don't in fact have to equip a deployable item to keep it on the field. A 950 ehp slayer-logi will do that just fine (as just configured at protofits.com). That's definitely a weakness of the current design proposal. ... Of course that is a weakness it shares with the currently implemented design, but a weakness still. The much simpler "if you don't have it equipped on your suit it goes pop"-rule would solve that and the EQ-spam without the whole EQ bandwidth design... That would be entirely too restrictive. And expensive. And disproportionately hammer the Caldari and Amarr logi's. Not totally sure it would be that much "simpler" either, considering bandwidth is something the servers already know how to deal with. People throw terms like "easier" and "simpler" around way too often around here.... The simple version would have been, to charge everyone for switching suits or loadouts. So as soon as you switch suits, everything that's not part of the new loadout gets dropped on the Battlefield and is taken from your assets. EQ Spam would still be possible but at a price in isk. To prevent role switching, just treat every role change at supply depot as suicide. I would be perfectly fine with that, but every spammerAmarr and Caldari logi would not! Cheers
FTFY
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
5581
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:21:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:It will reinforce each suit having advantages and disadvantages.
Players bypass logi weaknesses by changing suits while enjoying the benefit of equipment spam.
It makes dedicated logis utterly unnecessary and largely superfluous. This needs to change. I completley disagree with you here. Hives and uplinks are only two of the 4 things a logi takes responsibility for. Though i use the amarr and cal logi for deployables, I carry other equipment on them because the suits need staying power beyond just drop and forget. The "weakness" may be in direct 1 v 1 combat, but if that's your primary usage of a logi then you're doing it wrong. There has never been a match where a dedicated logi was made superflous by equipment spammed around a supply depot. the point. It has flown over your head. Warpoint spam from uplinks and hives IS a benefit from logi suits. crap them out, swap suits, trash stays, warpoints free of effort or concern flow in. No risk, since you swapped back, you're in no danger of losing an expensive logistics fit. and since you can drop asstons of hives, why not make two fits? one to spam hives, another to cover 75% of your team's uplink limit by yourself, then swap to a useful suit and go kill people? THAT'S what I'm talking about when I say bypassing logi weaknesses. It's not tactical flexibility. it's farming. Your reflexes were too slow. All I said was equipment spam does not make dedicated logis superflous as you claimed. The entire scenario you bring up relies solely on control of the supply depot. You have proto forge guns, exactly what stopping you from popping that supply depot? The only one out of reach from ranged weapons in all of dust is the gallente research facillity, where this entire spam, lagfest, fiasco started. PC corps figured they could break the game doing it and here we are today. And even in there, without a dedicated logi keeping those heavies standing its extremely difficult to hold. You're a dedicated heavy, do you always ask for nanohive "trash", uplinks "spam" from logis that you don't bring in, pay for or invest SP into? I'm sure out of principle you walk from the redline rather than to spawn in on that garbage. I am equally sure you call in a lav and drive to nearest supply depot rather than touch a spammers nanohive. Be sure not to after this drops, make sure you don't help those guys farm WP.
You make an incredible number of assumptions about how I play.
Supply depots on the enemy team are beneath my notice except as a target.
Lack of hives and uplinks has never decided whether I achieve an objective.
That is determined by the fact that I'm relentless, not risk averse, and while I am dedicated heavy, I am not above swapping into another role as needed. Including swapping to logistics to help resupply.
My favorite role is blowing up your tank.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
12547
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:41:00 -
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Thanks everyone, this was quite a ride.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1036
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:57:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks everyone, this was quite a ride.
CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior")
Learning Coalition & RTG
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