I wished but too much development going on right now to get a new class in.

Cotsy, no one cares. You run a cloak just like everyone else. Quit your bullkitten. If you're not going to contribute constructively stay out of the thread.

Fix the glitches. also, why should we go deaf when we have one on? I think it is a cute gimmick, but it's lame and disorienting to lose a sense of hearing. Why would that even happen? Also, the shimmer should be commensurate with your speed.

Once they are fixed, let's talk about changes.


First of all, you can not instantly shoot when you decloak. There is already about a second and a half delay when you switch to a weapon. The stamina like functionality is what makes it useful It is the perfect compromise to not being about to hold a weapon or equipment. This was a smart and elegant compromise, and it works. To have a cool down would mean you couldn't multi-task, and that would be annoying. Scouts are all about multi tasking.

Second, the timers are good. basic is 30s, ADV 60s, proto 80s. Not forever, and just enough to be tactically used. Basic cloak is garbage. Proto is too expensive to fit CPU/PG wise- but you can do it with some sacrifice.

Damage shouldn't screw with it at all. Presumably it is hardened underneath your shield and armor.

I could see a flux taking down a cloak outright based on tier- basic flux kills basic cloak, adv to adv, proto to proto. A basic flux shouldn't take out an ADV or proto cloak and so on.


Cloaks are not impossible to see or spot even at a long distance. Also, your reticle turns red as you sweep across an area. Once people figure this out, the QQ won't be as unfounded. Same goes for scrubs knifing and shooting and tossing REs while cloaked.

The fitting is good right now. Any more severe and it will be useless. As it is now, I can't speed tank and stealth tank my typical fit, It is one or the other.

A lot of this QQ is just for the QQ of it. Cotsy is particularly mock poutraging. Same for paradin(sp?). Both are the champions of nerfing it, yet it is woefully apparent their information is not based on personal usage, misunderstanding mechanics of it, and just missing the old glory days of the UP scout. Knifing, for example, outside of the glitch users, is much more difficult to pull off than shotgunning. I;d rather use knives, but they just aren't as viable.

It's a two fold comeuppance- first, we have competitive suits and EWAR- no one is used to it, and people's K/Ds are making them feel it. They need to adapt. The second part of that is scouts had to deal with UP suits for so long we are now like monsters with the new suits. or most. I am trying to **** around and try shotguns out again.. yikes! one good day and I was in la la land.. now the reality is setting in. so i'm not in beast mode yet, but i will be once I get my suits just right.

PS2 will not affect dust

Not everything has to be the same... A charge shot from a scrambler rifle can be followed by a very fast semi auto onslaught, charge shot on the Ion pistol instantly over heats the weapon, Charge shot on the charge sniper, resets the charge to zero...
I also posted above that the deactivation should be slightly different. You Idea though is typical of the crutches of needing to always see your target, one of those who lost skill due to the map always being lit up for you.
As I said its not a crutch, its the new equipment learn to deal with it.

Luckily for you, between CPM and CCP they nerf the cloak into the ground.. so people with no game can continue to scrub it up.

You can blame takario from red star why I would like to avoid talking about vehicles in general. Most other issues have been talked about just pending action now. Also like I said the devs are in a hot fixing mood might be able to get something squeezed in before we have to wait until next code patch (which nobody has any idea when that will be) So I don't want the new toys with problems to be old toys with long standing problems come around next code integration.

As for generally about cloaks

They're pretty balanced mechanic wise, slightly imperfect but pretty close to it. While this cloak is most similar to planetside 2's I find ours a bit more balanced than theirs consider our scouts CAN have shotguns and thiers can't.

Meta wise they seem broken. I find it okay for a commando to be cloaking but scouts who fit it are nearly as unhampered by it as a scout who does not cloak the only thing they give up is 1 equipment slot and to a scout that is non issue as the cloak replaces a large number of equipment in its own way.

There are rough spots overall just wondering which ones need to be polished up a bit where a simple half second change can literally destroy the cloak or make it op. So this has to be delicate.

My opinion overall at this very moment about cloaks is quite malleable; I don't have any real hard lines to not cross right now outside of just being a bit too outrageous on the idea.

why is this game becoming easy mode? first AA than scanners aka wall hack and now cloaks

No. Just those in agreement get put into queue faster. Those in disagreement takes more evidence, reasoning and time to override my opinion. Most of those I have disagree with have generally failed to meet criteria, such as prototype tanks. Ones meeting criteria, Respecs for 1.8.

You don't think that being able to cloak whenever you feel like for an entire game (by using an advanced or proto) is ridiculous? You don't think that shooting someone in the act of decloaking is unfair?

We're tone deaf, CPM really does not like working with people that most likely equitably harasses them every second, every post, and every thread, and every irc/skype comment. This is why most of the cpm don't even visit the forums anymore.

Yes we tolerate a bunch of crap but we dislike it more when people get while illusions of grandeur of how much power the CPM has (and really doesn't)

Lately I been holding up the critics to the same level of expectancies they put on me. So far they all fail their idea of a CPM.

I rather be able to sit here and sift through this thread and let debating voices influence my range of potential thoughts when asked by CCP; rather than say screw it. burn the forums and let people in irc or skype influence me instead.

And based on current complaints... I am so glad we did convince ccp to not do their version of the cloak; cries for cloak outright removal would be the rage of the forums and not calls for adjustments as current.

Not really sure...I mean, I will play other games but I guess you're asking if I would totally abandon dust? I don't think that I'd totally give it up just yet. Dust has improved tremendously..it's just CCP makes some mistakes on the way but I think the game is much different than it was a year ago with much more to come.

There is no other game like Dust because of the persistence and connection to another game, etc. Now, if someone else does what CCP is doing but better...that's another question.

But I like that I've been here from before the start and I'd like to see where this thing goes and be a part of the process as well.

I remember when it was so much fun for those people who used to be gunners in the dropship pilots before the missile nerf in Codex.

Cloaks are fun with the exception of a certain bug that make them un-fun. Hunting for cloaked enemies adds a new challenge to the game and feels incredibly gratifying when you down a cloaked enemy.

Now some people are of the opinion that the bug that allows you to fire a couple of shots before you begin to decloak isn't a big deal. And they are partially right. If the bug is fixed and a cloaked player sneaks up on a unsuspecting target, the outcome remains unchanged.

But please consider another scenario: The cloaked player has failed at stealth and the enemy is searching for them. To hide from the enemy, the cloaked player stops moving to make themselves as least visible as possible. But it only partially works, the enemy knows that the cloaked player is somewhere in front of them, but not the exact location. The enemy begins scanning the area with their reticule and checking for visual distortions; it's only a matter of time before the cloaked player is located. But wait, what's this?! The enemy is dead, the cloaked player fired a couple of rounds into the enemy before beginning to decloak thanks to a bugged mechanic.

In this scenario, the enemy should have had a sporting chance to fight the cloaked player. But because of the bugged mechanic, the enemy is downed from a virtually invisible source of gunfire in front of them. The bugged mechanic is rewarding the cloaked player who failed at stealth. This bug is not a small issue.

Edit: Corrected the part about cloaked player being invisible to practically invisible.

Hmm I wouldn't say nerf the cloaks via tiered reduction in sensor damps but maybe provide a line of cloaks that offers the bonus (but gains no charge capacity) in the manner proposed and remove the damp bonus from all other cloaks.

I am also seriously honestly believing that making the whole 'cloak match to action' is not going to change people getting shot by people they are not even going to see in the first place typically from the back. Fixing this is more of a consistency issue but will not resolve complaints.

I can't trust a Game Developer community that doesn't read the whole conversation.

Well you're at a constant advantage over me because I know reasons why as t things are not getting done and yet I cannot share.

Just working on what could change; letting CCP figure out when they can change other things at their best convenience. and no yelling at ccp more doesn't make them go any faster if anything it shuts them up even more.