I want an under barrel swarm launcher for my forge gun that fires tanks.
Nothing counters tanks like 6 flying heat seeking tanks. (Not invisible though for balance).
Well call it the tankception-forge-swarm.

I'd settle for a powerful single-shot swarm launcher that you could carry as a secondary. This game is getting to the point that so many custom fits are required that if a decent tank or two spawn in, better hope there's a supply depot around so you can change to your AV fit and if there isn't or you can't, wait for the next game.

A single-shot launcher that packs enough punch and if a squad of 6 fitted with them as a secondary can get them all on target, it might be enough to take down a tank. But the odds would still be in favor of the tank. I would think it would be a fair tradeoff. No one gets caught with their pants down. In order for it to work a squad has to work together and coordinate the action (just like CCP wants in their games). It's not OP because it's a single-shot and there's reload time. If the CPU/PG numbers are low enough it doesn't nerf all the other gear you'd want to carry that you typically need in a match, so you aren't spending either the entire match running away from a tank or trying to get to the supply depot.

Sounds like it could work.

I ask again: does the combat rifle will have a 3 round or 7 round burst?

How about a petition to change the name of the current "Assault Rifle" to "Plasma Rifle"? It seems more fitting to the tech and less confusing since all of these weapons are technically part of the Assault Rifle class.

~All In Favor~

This isn't Star Wars.

It's a war in the stars,

but it still isn't Star Wars.

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Because to improve the base power of all suits is easy - spec into core upgrades. If we want to increase the power of the starter weapon we have to spec into a different races gear - which we won't really have access to with the FW->LP->Market scheme.

I know it has a lower ROF, but it dishes out damage just as fast as the AR. About 450 DPS at standard. This worries me. Here's hoping it has some sort of downside to make up for its range.

I'm not reading through the threadnaught to find out if this has been addressed:

Why the MASSIVE nerf to swarms? I skilled into those to take out tanks and the only thing I can take out solo is a terribly fit tank or a very stupid/overconfident madrugar or suriya, and even then they often have forge gunners and militia swarms all over them.

This is the first and last time I will ever say this: respec on AV please.

It's not about the speech level, it's about how much honeyed lamb you have.

Any news on the Combat Rifle Operation skill and Rail Rifle Operation skills and what they will actually have an effect on ?

Rail Rifle Operation = 5% reduction to charge time per level ?
Combat Rifle Operation = 5% reduction to combat rifle kick per level ?

also will they have a sharpshooter skill for each ???? and if so what will that affect ?

So you mean to tell me it shouldn't take teamwork to destroy one massive game changing force multiplier?

seeing how all the races will now have there own rifle can they now be used in the starter fits? like min get combat, cal get rail and so on ?

I think as tanks now GODs on fields, give me a reason for my team to hunt them. Have a HUGE bonus in WAR point like 1000, and Additional SP for destroying a tank. SO that way there is bounty on why people should just start HUNTING for tanks. I will personally by 3 PS3 play them with both arms and feet to HUNT down tanks.

Also reduce SP and ISK earned playing those TANKS. That will balance how many TANKS there are on field.

Make AV nades that requires to approach a tank at 0 distance and takes 2 to 3 seconds to apply charge and make that thing 1 hit 1 kill on tanks. That way Tanks ALSO have to stick to squad and require TEAM WORK, not solo bad ass.

Hi guys,

ItGÇÖs time for some stats! Before you dive in to them let me remind you these are still a work in progress

First off there has been a fair bit of speculation surrounding the upcoming Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle. Speculate no more, for here are their current stats:

[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65248/1/riflestats17.jpg[/img]

As a part of their introduction to the game we also plan to rejig the rifle range profiles in line with the weapon type. Rail Rifles are hybrid GÇô railgun tech and are therefore the longest range weapons in the game, followed by laser weapons, projectile weapons and then hybrid GÇô blaster weapons. In the chart below you can see how they stack up Vs one another:

[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65234/1/rifleranges17.jpg[/img]

Lastly, as part of the ongoing vehicle work I can confirm we are also making changes to AV. So far weGÇÖve touched the AV Grenades and Swarm Launcher, we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun. These are the current numbers we are testing:

- Reduced AV grenade damage (STD: 1050 -> 725; ADV: 1260 -> 870; PRO: 1470->1015 )
- Reduced swarm launcher damage (330 -> 220)
- Reduced Swarm Launcher lock-on range from 400m to 175m

WeGÇÖre looking forward to hearing your feedback!

CCP Wolfman

Lastly, as part of the ongoing vehicle work I can confirm we are also making changes to AV. So far weGÇÖve touched the AV Grenades and Swarm Launcher, we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun.

Did you actually read the post? Like, this part (emphasis mine):



For the record, AV grenade/Swarm changes are equal to the vehicle changes that are also coming in 1.7. So I don't think that it's out of line, that both vehicles and AV weapons are being changed to bring general balance between the two.

Yeah, no. The range nerfing will gimp the swarm launchers. You'll need to be on the top of a building to lock a dropship, and you will need to jump off to lock random LAVs and HAVs. Forge guns will be our only option.

Is the charge up for each shot or charge then burst?

Will the Laser Rifle still serve a purpose when competing with the Rail Rifle?

Watch this first, and then come back to me.

Done? Okay, first off, I am not JudgeRhadamanthus, but he is very obviously a skilled dropship pilot and I'd say he has at least a good, if not excellent, grasp of what he's talking about.

Further, Iron Wolf Saber (you know, our most talkative CPM dude?) has confirmed (link not handy, unfortunately), that only lock range is being nerfed- if you lock&fire, but they then fly/drive out of lock-range, then your missiles still pursue effectively. So, that leaves us with two options for your opinion:

1. You do not understand that we want balance, and it's broken for a single dork with a Swarm to be able to lock down every objective from a dropship, while also being death incarnate to HAVs, without having to sacrifice anything.

2. You don't care that we want balance and are whining that you are going to actually have to engage your brain and make decisions, like "Which objective is most critical to my team, and needs me to defend it from vehicles?", instead of having easymode fire-and-forget Swarms that kill all the things.



The RR will be charge-then-bullet-hose; it's listed as having an automatic firemode and a charge time, so unlike the Scrambler rifle or the Forge Gun, which are single-fire, it'll just charge and then saw things in half. Figuratively speaking.

As for the LR, well.... the LR is close to my heart- it was probably my favorite gun in Chrome, and I still love it and occasionally drop it. But as-is, I think that the RR will temporarily obsolete the LR. But it has been confirmed by the devs (sadly, again, link not handy) that the LR will be iterated on further. Unfortunately, it was also confirmed that this iteration won't be in 1.7, so Lasers will temporarily be worthless compared to the RR.

Unless you run Amarr Assault in which case you will burninate all the things.

My KDR sucks because I spend my time chasing away drop ships to protect the team. I sometimes have to follow tanks to swarm them, I have to lock on to Lav's while they are trying to run me over. If I am lucky emough to get a kill because some guy forgot to abandon ship, yeah for me. AV doesn't fit every battle or location, so I have to be skilled with another weapon. Give me 4 shots to a clip for my swarm, make it so tanks and lav's can't be recalled because they are about to blow up, make it so dropships can't fly so high, you can't see them, give them less range. We not only have to be skilled with a swarm, but also have to have speed and stamina to chase vehicles. Give a dedicated AV suite an extra slot for shielding or hardeners like a tamk. NO...your answer is to nerf. I can still spit farther than 175 m.

Not everyone is going to train up the other races rifles up.