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Templar 514 wrote:

Luk Manag wrote:

Yeah, no. The range nerfing will gimp the swarm launchers. You'll need to be on the top of a building to lock a dropship, and you will need to jump off to lock random LAVs and HAVs. Forge guns will be our only option.

Watch this first, and then come back to me.

Done? Okay, first off, I am not JudgeRhadamanthus, but he is very obviously a skilled dropship pilot and I'd say he has at least a good, if not excellent, grasp of what he's talking about.

Further, Iron Wolf Saber (you know, our most talkative CPM dude?) has confirmed (link not handy, unfortunately), that only lock range is being nerfed- if you lock&fire, but they then fly/drive out of lock-range, then your missiles still pursue effectively. So, that leaves us with two options for your opinion:

1. You do not understand that we want balance, and it's broken for a single dork with a Swarm to be able to lock down every objective from a dropship, while also being death incarnate to HAVs, without having to sacrifice anything.

2. You don't care that we want balance and are whining that you are going to actually have to engage your brain and make decisions, like "Which objective is most critical to my team, and needs me to defend it from vehicles?", instead of having easymode fire-and-forget Swarms that kill all the things.

Kharga Lum wrote:

Is the charge up for each shot or charge then burst?

Will the Laser Rifle still serve a purpose when competing with the Rail Rifle?

The RR will be charge-then-bullet-hose; it's listed as having an automatic firemode and a charge time, so unlike the Scrambler rifle or the Forge Gun, which are single-fire, it'll just charge and then saw things in half. Figuratively speaking.

As for the LR, well.... the LR is close to my heart- it was probably my favorite gun in Chrome, and I still love it and occasionally drop it. But as-is, I think that the RR will temporarily obsolete the LR. But it has been confirmed by the devs (sadly, again, link not handy) that the LR will be iterated on further. Unfortunately, it was also confirmed that this iteration won't be in 1.7, so Lasers will temporarily be worthless compared to the RR.

Unless you run Amarr Assault in which case you will burninate all the things.

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Her Nibs Pradox One Proficiency V. 68	Posted - 2013.11.04 16:39:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi guys, ItGÇÖs time for some stats! Before you dive in to them let me remind you these are still a work in progress First off there has been a fair bit of speculation surrounding the upcoming Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle. Speculate no more, for here are their current stats: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65248/1/riflestats17.jpg[/img] As a part of their introduction to the game we also plan to rejig the rifle range profiles in line with the weapon type. Rail Rifles are hybrid GÇô railgun tech and are therefore the longest range weapons in the game, followed by laser weapons, projectile weapons and then hybrid GÇô blaster weapons. In the chart below you can see how they stack up Vs one another: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65234/1/rifleranges17.jpg[/img] Lastly, as part of the ongoing vehicle work I can confirm we are also making changes to AV. So far weGÇÖve touched the AV Grenades and Swarm Launcher, we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun. These are the current numbers we are testing: - Reduced AV grenade damage (STD: 1050 -> 725; ADV: 1260 -> 870; PRO: 1470->1015 ) - Reduced swarm launcher damage (330 -> 220) - Reduced Swarm Launcher lock-on range from 400m to 175m WeGÇÖre looking forward to hearing your feedback! CCP Wolfman That's a bit drastic on the swarm launcher...maybe have a look at the range on EC Mass Drivers. Not even Proto Swarms can take out all tanks. Some I have to stand on a Nano and keep firing. We have to deal with many obstructions...eg. hiding behind mountains and rocks and buildings. The tank is moving, I am running to get a better lock on. As for Dropships, any decent one can outrun a swarm....so why such a drastic change. I can spit farther than 175m. Make it 300m....at least ease us in slowly. What about Forge guns........they take tanks out in 1 or shots. Think what it does to a clone. I have been specing into being pure AV for months and months. I hope you are going to give me my SP's back, because what I purchased is not what I will have. It's like buying a new car and 3 months later they come and take the the side mirrors and bumpers cause someone didn't like them sticking out. Plz rethink this decision.
Her Nibs Pradox One Proficiency V. 73	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:52:00 - [2] - Quote Templar 514 wrote: Luk Manag wrote: Yeah, no. The range nerfing will gimp the swarm launchers. You'll need to be on the top of a building to lock a dropship, and you will need to jump off to lock random LAVs and HAVs. Forge guns will be our only option. Watch this first, and then come back to me. Done? Okay, first off, I am not JudgeRhadamanthus, but he is very obviously a skilled dropship pilot and I'd say he has at least a good, if not excellent, grasp of what he's talking about. Further, Iron Wolf Saber (you know, our most talkative CPM dude?) has confirmed (link not handy, unfortunately), that only lock range is being nerfed- if you lock&fire, but they then fly/drive out of lock-range, then your missiles still pursue effectively. So, that leaves us with two options for your opinion: 1. You do not understand that we want balance, and it's broken for a single dork with a Swarm to be able to lock down every objective from a dropship, while also being death incarnate to HAVs, without having to sacrifice anything. 2. You don't care that we want balance and are whining that you are going to actually have to engage your brain and make decisions, like "Which objective is most critical to my team, and needs me to defend it from vehicles?", instead of having easymode fire-and-forget Swarms that kill all the things. Kharga Lum wrote: Is the charge up for each shot or charge then burst? Will the Laser Rifle still serve a purpose when competing with the Rail Rifle? The RR will be charge-then-bullet-hose; it's listed as having an automatic firemode and a charge time, so unlike the Scrambler rifle or the Forge Gun, which are single-fire, it'll just charge and then saw things in half. Figuratively speaking. As for the LR, well.... the LR is close to my heart- it was probably my favorite gun in Chrome, and I still love it and occasionally drop it. But as-is, I think that the RR will temporarily obsolete the LR. But it has been confirmed by the devs (sadly, again, link not handy) that the LR will be iterated on further. Unfortunately, it was also confirmed that this iteration won't be in 1.7, so Lasers will temporarily be worthless compared to the RR. Unless you run Amarr Assault in which case you will burninate all the things. My KDR sucks because I spend my time chasing away drop ships to protect the team. I sometimes have to follow tanks to swarm them, I have to lock on to Lav's while they are trying to run me over. If I am lucky emough to get a kill because some guy forgot to abandon ship, yeah for me. AV doesn't fit every battle or location, so I have to be skilled with another weapon. Give me 4 shots to a clip for my swarm, make it so tanks and lav's can't be recalled because they are about to blow up, make it so dropships can't fly so high, you can't see them, give them less range. We not only have to be skilled with a swarm, but also have to have speed and stamina to chase vehicles. Give a dedicated AV suite an extra slot for shielding or hardeners like a tamk. NO...your answer is to nerf. I can still spit farther than 175 m.