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2Berries wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

2Berries wrote:

Communication in any for is an asset. I was once told "if you can't dazzle them with diagrams, then baffle them with bullsh*t".

Sad, but it works.

I think either one by itself is no good. Anyone who has ever sat through a presentation with too much jargon knows what I am talking about. You can get lost in the details, and then its no good.

At the same time, too much BS will result in wasted time and/or poor consequences.

Alan Alda actually funds a science program at a college out west somewhere (heard it on Science Friday, but can't remember the name of the program or college) that teaches people involved in STEM (the epitome of jargon and info) how to better communicate ideas so that people don't get lost with too much technicality or get bored by poor presentation.

Essentially that is what you want, for there to be the right mix of knowledge presented in a clear and concise manner.

I remember Alan Alda hosted a challenge - explain fire to a child. The goal was to be able to explain complex concepts in general terms and achieve understanding from your audience.

Work like this is sorely needed!

I never heard so many bs concepts in my work, it's the sad ones that seem to stick. Maybe because i can mentally recall the physical pain associated with it (facepalm).

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voidfaction Nos Nothi 960	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:00:00 - [27451] - Quote @ Vitantur Nothus I sure wish I could word things like you do. I hate that I can not express myself the way most of you do here. I was never good in english. Had to take english 9, 10, and 11 all year my junior year of high school. Good thing for me I lived in Kentucky that year and passed English with a's and b's only to return to Indiana and pass English 12 with a d- I can fix about anything but don't make me write about it. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1766	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:07:00 - [27452] - Quote LeGoose wrote: Did you guys see this!? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2567688#post2567688 Looks pretty awesome if you ask me. I just hope it's not Aur dependent. Flotilla... makes me want mexican food. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7168	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:15:00 - [27453] - Quote voidfaction wrote: @ Vitantur Nothus I sure wish I could word things like you do. I hate that I can not express myself the way most of you do here. I was never good in english. Had to take english 9, 10, and 11 all year my junior year of high school. Good thing for me I lived in Kentucky that year and passed English with a's and b's only to return to Indiana and pass English 12 with a d- I can fix about anything but don't make me write about it. The best thing you can do to improve how you express yourself is to read. Even if it is news/entertainment. I wasn't good at English in HS either, mostly because of bad teachers and some notion that those good at math can't be good at English. Somewhere along the line, I started to improve, and I always found that the more I read, the better I could express my thoughts. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
voidfaction Nos Nothi 962	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:23:00 - [27454] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: voidfaction wrote: @ Vitantur Nothus I sure wish I could word things like you do. I hate that I can not express myself the way most of you do here. I was never good in english. Had to take english 9, 10, and 11 all year my junior year of high school. Good thing for me I lived in Kentucky that year and passed English with a's and b's only to return to Indiana and pass English 12 with a d- I can fix about anything but don't make me write about it. The best thing you can do to improve how you express yourself is to read. Even if it is news/entertainment. I wasn't good at English in HS either, mostly because of bad teachers and some notion that those good at math can't be good at English. Somewhere along the line, I started to improve, and I always found that the more I read, the better I could express my thoughts. That could very well help. I only read programming or other how to books and that just teaches me to be direct and to the point. I can not remember ever reading a actual story book. Really love the Game of Thrones and thought about reading the books A Song of Ice and Fire to get ahead of the series. Thank you for the idea. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 550	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:25:00 - [27455] - Quote LeGoose wrote: Did you guys see this!? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2567688#post2567688 Looks pretty awesome if you ask me. I just hope it's not Aur dependent. Yup, looking awesome indeed. I hope the bonuses are to support & not directly to battle. I die fast enough, don't need mobile offices providing additional damage. It's great having things to look forward too. The feeling of hope around Dust was quashed pretty hard after the rouge wedding, but they seem to be suprising me here & there. When i see QQ posts & habe nothing to say, i troll/whine about being bored in my quarters. Since holo-honey & I don't feel confortable making eye contact anymore, opening the doors to a new space is going to be sweet! Adding value to my corp beside just a tax fund source is pretty cool too. I may be a tool, but i get sad when I'm not useful. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5482	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:27:00 - [27456] - Quote Heads up. This looks pretty good, skill point changes. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 550	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:28:00 - [27457] - Quote voidfaction wrote: One Eyed King wrote: voidfaction wrote: @ Vitantur Nothus I sure wish I could word things like you do. I hate that I can not express myself the way most of you do here. I was never good in english. Had to take english 9, 10, and 11 all year my junior year of high school. Good thing for me I lived in Kentucky that year and passed English with a's and b's only to return to Indiana and pass English 12 with a d- I can fix about anything but don't make me write about it. The best thing you can do to improve how you express yourself is to read. Even if it is news/entertainment. I wasn't good at English in HS either, mostly because of bad teachers and some notion that those good at math can't be good at English. Somewhere along the line, I started to improve, and I always found that the more I read, the better I could express my thoughts. That could very well help. I only read programming or other how to books and that just teaches me to be direct and to the point. I can not remember ever reading a actual story book. Really love the Game of Thrones and thought about reading the books A Song of Ice and Fire to get ahead of the series. Thank you for the idea. Communication in any for is an asset. I was once told "if you can't dazzle them with diagrams, then baffle them with bullsh*t". Sad, but it works. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
voidfaction Nos Nothi 963	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:34:00 - [27458] - Quote Spademan wrote: Heads up. This looks pretty good, skill point changes. GRRRRRr This one has my mind going in circles. I don't know if I love it or hate it. I can not find a middle. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 553	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:51:00 - [27459] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Spademan wrote: Heads up. This looks pretty good, skill point changes. GRRRRRr This one has my mind going in circles. I don't know if I love it or hate it. I can not find a middle. Just be glad that development is an iterative process, if it doesn't work as intended it can be changed. Bigger issues have seen changes outside of hotfixes (1k rpm Duovolles), so if it starts hurting too bad they may address it quickly. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 553	Posted - 2015.01.13 21:05:00 - [27460] - Quote One Eye King- So, after we posted yesterday re: cal scouts, i busted out my standard radar suit for s&g's. C-1 w/ complex range amp & 3 complex precision mods. Ganked @ 27m by an adv min assault that never popped up on tacnet. Think i'll stick to dampening, scans are too unreliable. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?

Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1283	Posted - 2015.01.13 21:10:00 - [27461] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: voidfaction wrote: @ Vitantur Nothus I sure wish I could word things like you do. I hate that I can not express myself the way most of you do here. I was never good in english. Had to take english 9, 10, and 11 all year my junior year of high school. Good thing for me I lived in Kentucky that year and passed English with a's and b's only to return to Indiana and pass English 12 with a d- I can fix about anything but don't make me write about it. The best thing you can do to improve how you express yourself is to read. Even if it is news/entertainment. I wasn't good at English in HS either, mostly because of bad teachers and some notion that those good at math can't be good at English. Somewhere along the line, I started to improve, and I always found that the more I read, the better I could express my thoughts. This 100%. The ONLY reason I ever excelled at English was the fact that I listened to Harry Potter audiobooks while I fell asleep as a kid. I didn't realize it at the time but looking back now it was fantastic practice. I got to absorb a whole series worth of writer's vocabulary and syntax at a really early age without any effort. Now if only there were something like that for math. That's the number 1 tip I give to people who struggle with english though, just read a ton. If Harry Potter audiobooks don't do it for you (Though they are fantastic... get the Jim Dale version), try reading some modern classics. My favorite book by far right now is The Things They Carried, it's a really weighty and thoughtful collection of stories about Vietnam. At least try reading the first chapter. The first chapter is practically self contained as a short story so it doesn't really matter if you stop there. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7169	Posted - 2015.01.13 21:25:00 - [27462] - Quote [quote=2Berries Communication in any for is an asset. I was once told "if you can't dazzle them with diagrams, then baffle them with bullsh*t". Sad, but it works.[/quote] I think either one by itself is no good. Anyone who has ever sat through a presentation with too much jargon knows what I am talking about. You can get lost in the details, and then its no good. At the same time, too much BS will result in wasted time and/or poor consequences. Alan Alda actually funds a science program at a college out west somewhere (heard it on Science Friday, but can't remember the name of the program or college) that teaches people involved in STEM (the epitome of jargon and info) how to better communicate ideas so that people don't get lost with too much technicality or get bored by poor presentation. Essentially that is what you want, for there to be the right mix of knowledge presented in a clear and concise manner. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7170	Posted - 2015.01.13 21:43:00 - [27463] - Quote @ Void I have watched 2 seasons of GoT, after I read all the books. I think you would be better off reading all of the books and getting some of the details that aren't in the show. They are all rather good. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 555	Posted - 2015.01.13 21:47:00 - [27464] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: 2Berries wrote: Communication in any for is an asset. I was once told "if you can't dazzle them with diagrams, then baffle them with bullsh*t". Sad, but it works. I think either one by itself is no good. Anyone who has ever sat through a presentation with too much jargon knows what I am talking about. You can get lost in the details, and then its no good. At the same time, too much BS will result in wasted time and/or poor consequences. Alan Alda actually funds a science program at a college out west somewhere (heard it on Science Friday, but can't remember the name of the program or college) that teaches people involved in STEM (the epitome of jargon and info) how to better communicate ideas so that people don't get lost with too much technicality or get bored by poor presentation. Essentially that is what you want, for there to be the right mix of knowledge presented in a clear and concise manner. I remember Alan Alda hosted a challenge - explain fire to a child. The goal was to be able to explain complex concepts in general terms and achieve understanding from your audience. Work like this is sorely needed! I never heard so many bs concepts in my work, it's the sad ones that seem to stick. Maybe because i can mentally recall the physical pain associated with it (facepalm). Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7171	Posted - 2015.01.13 21:57:00 - [27465] - Quote 2Berries wrote: One Eyed King wrote: 2Berries wrote: Communication in any for is an asset. I was once told "if you can't dazzle them with diagrams, then baffle them with bullsh*t". Sad, but it works. I think either one by itself is no good. Anyone who has ever sat through a presentation with too much jargon knows what I am talking about. You can get lost in the details, and then its no good. At the same time, too much BS will result in wasted time and/or poor consequences. Alan Alda actually funds a science program at a college out west somewhere (heard it on Science Friday, but can't remember the name of the program or college) that teaches people involved in STEM (the epitome of jargon and info) how to better communicate ideas so that people don't get lost with too much technicality or get bored by poor presentation. Essentially that is what you want, for there to be the right mix of knowledge presented in a clear and concise manner. I remember Alan Alda hosted a challenge - explain fire to a child. The goal was to be able to explain complex concepts in general terms and achieve understanding from your audience. Work like this is sorely needed! I never heard so many bs concepts in my work, it's the sad ones that seem to stick. Maybe because i can mentally recall the physical pain associated with it (facepalm). Sometimes its a matter of what people want to believe (You really can lose weight with just a pill and no exercise,diet changes, or side effects!). Other times, its a matter of just how we work as humans and the flaws in the way we take in, interpret, and process information. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5486	Posted - 2015.01.13 22:18:00 - [27466] - Quote 2Berries wrote: I remember Alan Alda hosted a challenge - explain fire to a child. The goal was to be able to explain complex concepts in general terms and achieve understanding from your audience. Work like this is sorely needed! I never heard so many bs concepts in my work, it's the sad ones that seem to stick. Maybe because i can mentally recall the physical pain associated with it (facepalm). I remember in secondary school we were given the task to explain water pollution to children from the primary school. It was actually a great experience. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2144	Posted - 2015.01.13 22:26:00 - [27467] - Quote On communication: I'm noticing people saying to read a lot. While that's useful, writing a lot is, IMHO even more important. So while in college one of my tricks for studying was taking a break in reading to then talk to myself like I was giving a presentation on the matter like some kind of expert. Dont do it in the study hall, people will think you're crazy. Sometimes half way through a sentence I'd realise I was missing some critical fact or concept. Then go look it up and go on talking. I hate public speaking but even now (5 years later) if you shoved a microphone in my face and said "explain endosymbiotic theory" I could do it by rote. Also: grammar is not your enemy. While some rules are arbitrary many are tools to help you communicate, take the time to learn them. Another suggesstion is to pick up a Philosophy of Logic text book. I did a general ed paper in it during my undergrad and it changed the way I even thought about how I communicate on a fundamental level. I should imagine to a programmer it would be actually pretty easy as it's quite mathematical in nature. Sometimes I hang around the ELI5 threads on Reddit helping out where I can to keep myself in mental shape and stop me forgetting science things I don't use anymore in my life/career. We'll bang, OK?
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5487	Posted - 2015.01.13 22:46:00 - [27468] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Dont do it in the study hall, people will think you're crazy. Study halls do exist? Sonofabitch, I'm out 20 euro now. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1697	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:13:00 - [27469] - Quote ^ What Mal said! If you college kiddies get the chance, put together a pre-exam study group for the underperformers in your class. The act of presenting material and answering questions imprints on the brain unlike anything else. You'll be doing yourself as much a favor as you're doing your classmates. As far as books go, absolutely agree with OEK and Pseudo. If a helicopter is out of your budget, audio books are the next best way to conquer the morning commute and traffic jams. PS: Thank you for the compliment, Void :-)
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5490	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:28:00 - [27470] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: ^ What Mal said! If you college kiddies get the chance, put together a pre-exam study group for the underperformers in your class. The act of presenting material and answering questions imprints on the brain unlike anything else. You'll be doing yourself as much a favor as you're doing your classmates. I'm good, we already do like a presentation each week on college related assignments, and while I actually love being up on a stage and having a whole room focused on me (and trying to keep them focused ) I'm not so sure anyone else in my course is. Quote: As far as books go, absolutely agree with OEK and Pseudo. If a helicopter is out of your budget, audio books are the next best way to conquer the morning commute and traffic jams. I rent mine for free from the local library. The bookstore took me for $40 on two different occasions with "best sellers" which turned out to be complete garbage. Real books > Audio books. #BusLife. Out of interest, how does one rent an audio book from a library? Regular books I get, but not audio. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7178	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:42:00 - [27471] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Audiobooks: There's an entire wall of them at each public library branch here, though I don't recall seeing any at the college library. At my local library, we have access to almost every kind of media in the state. I often get movies and books as well. They even do video games now. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1285	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:44:00 - [27472] - Quote Podcasts are amazing too, especially educational ones. I haven't tried them for commuting but I listen to them pretty frequently whenever I'm doing something that doesn't require my full attention and they're awesome. Psychology podcasts were my focus a few weeks ago, I really should get back into that... Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5491	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:47:00 - [27473] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Audiobooks: There's an entire wall of them at each public library branch here, though I don't recall seeing any at the college library. On....a cd? Do audiobooks come on cd's? What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6518	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:49:00 - [27474] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Audiobooks: There's an entire wall of them at each public library branch here, though I don't recall seeing any at the college library. My Uni has a pile of audio available for download, very nice to have access to. I believe they implemented it when they started to expand their online course selection. MOAR Ladders
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6520	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:51:00 - [27475] - Quote Spademan wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Audiobooks: There's an entire wall of them at each public library branch here, though I don't recall seeing any at the college library. On....a cd? Do audiobooks come on cd's? Yes they do, also on cassette Occurs to me that Spade may never have seen a cassette MOAR Ladders
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 565	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:53:00 - [27476] - Quote Spademan wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Audiobooks: There's an entire wall of them at each public library branch here, though I don't recall seeing any at the college library. On....a cd? Do audiobooks come on cd's? Yep. Check out, download, return. Uh, i mean piracy is frowned upon. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 565	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:56:00 - [27477] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Spademan wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Audiobooks: There's an entire wall of them at each public library branch here, though I don't recall seeing any at the college library. On....a cd? Do audiobooks come on cd's? Yes they do, also on cassette Occurs to me that Spade may never have seen a cassette I remember playing Kings Quest on cassettses on my atari 1200 (it even had a cradle modem). In between my pager going off, that is. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6520	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:57:00 - [27478] - Quote 2Berries wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Spademan wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Audiobooks: There's an entire wall of them at each public library branch here, though I don't recall seeing any at the college library. On....a cd? Do audiobooks come on cd's? Yes they do, also on cassette Occurs to me that Spade may never have seen a cassette I remember playing Kings Quest on cassettses on my atari 1200 (it even had a cradle modem). In between my pager going off, that is. I like you MOAR Ladders
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5492	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:57:00 - [27479] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Spademan wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Audiobooks: There's an entire wall of them at each public library branch here, though I don't recall seeing any at the college library. On....a cd? Do audiobooks come on cd's? Yes they do, also on cassette Occurs to me that Spade may never have seen a cassette Have seen and am familiar with recording on to a cassette What I'm not familiar with is Audio Books. It never really occurred to me that you'd have it on a disc. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1700	Posted - 2015.01.14 00:07:00 - [27480] - Quote Spademan wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Audiobooks: There's an entire wall of them at each public library branch here, though I don't recall seeing any at the college library. On....a cd? Do audiobooks come on cd's? Yep. Little books of CDs. Now reading The Fountainhead. All 27 god-d*mn discs of it :-)



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