I love the knife, but just think it should be more powerful

Warlock and Titan have OHKO melee

@ Gav / Appia

Totally agree; the shotgun needs the old proficiency bonus restored (RoF). It also needs an increase from 5m optimal range. But the shotgun won't get what it needs until we've corrected its over performance. Fixing fire-from-cloak fixes shotgun performance statistics. Temporary underperformance would be fine by me if it paved the way to a healthy shotgun and breach shotgun.

Mollerz makes excellent points.

Want to invoke sprint bug? Fumble with your EQ. Works like a charm : /

Suggestions, gentlemen?

@ Gav

Totally agree; the shotgun needs the old proficiency bonus restored (RoF). It also needs an increase from 5m optimal range. But the shotgun won't get what it needs until we've corrected its over performance. Fixing fire-from-cloak fixes shotgun performance statistics. Temporary underperformance would be fine by me if it paved the way to a healthy shotgun and breach shotgun.

I know they don't like to double down on fixes, but do you think this is one we could sell them?

Had a rummage, the only cloak related discussion with a CCP or CPM tag is here, which only mentions that the cloak will not be going away. That is a sort of response to Noob here, but that's just one person. Hardly a consensus and not at all a discussion with Zatara. The last time Zat discussed anything with us was here, and that was about backpedal speed. The only kind of consensus was this, about backpedalling.

So no, we didn't really discuss the cloak with him at all.

Edit: Except maybe here, but that's one suggestion, not really a discussion.

Nice digging, Spademan.

Methinks we can't pitch improvements while it's over performing. Need to first fix fire-from-cloak.

In what way is it specifically "fire from cloak"

You can't hit the fire button. You have to hit the switch weapon button and then fire. Am I mistaken?

You can get off the first shot before de-cloak finishes

What control scheme do you use?

Because I hit R2 to switch weapon which switches me from cloak to shotgun and it's about a 2 second process for the animation all to play out and I fire. Maybe a touch less. but it is far from instantaneous.

And to take that a bit further- Who is doing this face on? No one. it's from the back so it wouldn't have made a difference because either they were damped off tacnet or the prey was oblivious/tunneled out. No shotgunner is running up face first cloaked to anyone who knows how to use their eyes and instantly firing before their cloak is finished, right? The OP situation everyone seems to make it out to be is exactly that. Reality is different.

Now to take that even further- No heavy goes down after the first blast. It's always 3 or more. then you have hit detection issues. tanked heavies. If a heavy is killed after the first shot took out their shields they were going to die anyways.

Honestly, this is a lot of QQ and a lot of bullsh1t.

Hey, you all are awesome, you've been around forever...
Quick scoutish question. Did they make Amarr scouts any good? and what should I run on it?
Thank you.

Hey, you all are awesome, you've been around forever...
Quick scoutish question. Did they make Amarr scouts any good? and what should I run on it?
Thank you.

I'm pretty disgusted that a cpm person would **** around like that.

That's a pretty big conclusion to jump to

You're right. The SG is over performing because it's just a ridiculously OP weapon with far too long a range and too high a rate of fire. The cloak has nothing to do with it, the SG has always been OP.

We can argue these things all we want about how stupid/useless cloaked shotgunning is, but the proof is ultimately in the pudding in that it is being used and it is working. Maybe it doesn't work on you, but it is working enough to show in the data according to Rattati.

When cloaked I can often not be spotted even when in front of another player assuming I'm close to their periphery. Moving directly in front they're more likely to notice the shimmer, but I find a little off to the side they won't see me at all and I can close up on them easier as a quick glimpse at times isn't enough for them to realise I'm there. Whereas without the cloak they most definitely would see me and I'd have to stay behind them.

QED.

Did you miss the part where he "spoke on behalf of the community" and there is nowhere this conversation took place?

Edit: Unless IWS is a liar.

Headshots don't kill and the animation leaves you too vulnerable.
Those are my issues. A thrown knife to the head should kill.

Firestarted looks like a cool skill, DoT for hitting someone with a knife to the chest?

Think we'll ever get Amarr/Minmatar vehicles?

You can get off the first shot before de-cloak finishes

Of course, they'll be in 1.9 a long with; PvE, a functioning market place, materials mining, manufacturing and unicorn launchers.

Seriosuly, I've only seen concept art for the Minmatar LAV, I doubt Amarr and Min vehicles are even on the "to do list" for Legion let alone Dust.

I played a match today where i went 1/8, it was terrible, so many heavies.

But I did get one kill. It was, of course, a scout.

Thank you guys, you give new players with 500k SP hope to kill a proto suit.